Holy Yoga!

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cookiegal
cookiegal Member Posts: 3,296
edited June 2014 in Lymphedema

So for a number of reasons, I want to bring yoga and meditation into my life. There are some special classes for BC people in NYC, but I just wanted to try one at my health club since it was close and at the right time.

It was supposed to be sort of an abs/yoga class, so I figurered there would be a minimum of poses that put weight on the arm.

WAS I WRONG. It was super advanced crazy handstand yoga.

Part of me wanted to run like hell, it was a reminded of things I will never be able to try, but part of me said that was not very yoga, that beginning and accepting where you are is the real lesson of yoga, so stick through it. I will say it was quite a show! Didn't need to go to the theatre tonight!

So obviously I need to find A DIFFERENT CLASS, but I am glad I didn't burst into tears and run like a crazy person.

I feel like it could be good for LE with all that breathing.

Namaste

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  • nibbana
    nibbana Member Posts: 464
    edited July 2013

    I did yoga too, I got to get back in it. I don't even try the crazy handstand/arm balances. I can do downward dog, but only for a second, then I change poses.

    Be very, very careful when doing yoga.

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited July 2013

    Cookie, maybe copy off the trainer/instructor guidelines to share with the instructor next time? They're here:

    stepup-speakout.org/Trainer%20...

    stepup-speakout.org/Handout%20...

    Good for you for sticking it out that eveningCool--and for looking for another class after thisWink!

    Hugs,
    Binney

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited July 2013

    Me and Binney and Carol worked hard to get LBBC to understand the risks of yoga and LE, and they just put out a new handout, I can't totally vouch for it, but we tried....

    I have searched the LBBC site, and can't find it, so maybe it's still being edited. I thought it was out there.

  • cookiegal
    cookiegal Member Posts: 3,296
    edited August 2013

    Really great article. I forget about the repetitive aspect sometimes. Thank You

  • LtotheK
    LtotheK Member Posts: 2,095
    edited August 2013

    Though I love yoga and a lot of its aspects, a friend who grew up in India really changed my mind about it.  She said that asana-based yoga is not really intended for 3x a week exercise.  She described that practitioners are massaged sometimes in order to achieve poses!  I think we've done a number on what yoga was meant to be, and I have switched over to more calming meditation-based stuff.  When I get to the down dog pose, I usually do dolphin, or roll back on my back and do some leg extensions.   

    Arms aren't the only thing tweaked by yoga.  My ortho also told me after a certain age, extreme front folds are murder on discs.  Another thing my friend told me is yoga changes through the years.  A 50 year old is unlikely to need or achieve what a 25 year old can.  I am always wary of classes that allow things like handstands and "power yoga" for folks who don't do it every day.  For starters, handstands can be very hard on the eyes in terms of pressure and retina.

    I have moved to weightlifting and Pilates.  Pilates offers a lot more I can do without the arm implications.  Also, I am proud to say that I've gotten quite strong at the gym.  I was incredibly careful, moved up extremely slowly, moved back when I got even overtired in the arms.  I'm up to 15 pounds each arm, and can squat like nobody's business!

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited August 2013

    LtoK, great post, recently we did the final edits in the LBBC yoga guide, and there was a lot of discussion that yoga poses risks and is not just relaxing but can be an exercise that can injure people. Our yoga expert reported she had an arm injury and could do no weight bearing poses on her arms and had to modify her practice.



    I have wanted to start to exercise again, had to back off because I had the tamoxifen induced hysterectomy in May, but your post is inspiring me. Right now, all I'm allowed to do is walk....



    What kind of Pilates do you do?

  • LtotheK
    LtotheK Member Posts: 2,095
    edited August 2013

    Kira, YOU and Binney and a bunch of other awesome ladies here helped me get my life back on the LE front.  Though I do not have active LE, I am at high risk, and have done well so far.  I don't believe that would have been the case had I gone my hospital's "head in the sand" route.  They didn't even recommend a sleeve for flying.

    My bones took a real banging after chemo, unfortunately.  The weight lifting has to take priority, and sometimes it takes priority over cardio.  I am a big fan of Kathi Casey's intermediate and advanced Pilates.  Excellent attention to form, only a couple of exercises we should be careful of (and I usually skip them).

    I also like the Classical Pilates Technique DVD.  I am very picky.  I like things to be authentic, and I have limited tolerance to "gym style" workouts that don't stretch or pay attention to form.  Both of these recommendations are pitch perfect in that regard.

    Other exercises I do include modified Tabatas or 12 minute bodyweight workout routines with combinations of jumping jacks, squats, and crunches.  At times, I will work in modified push ups if I am feeling strong and other risk factors are low. The great thing about these Tabata and home-style workouts is you can modify them to how you feel that day, which is so important with the challenges we face. 

    I have found over time that my rotator cuffs are delicate--a common problem in women over 40 and especially ones lifting weights.  Downward dog, in my opinion, just isn't that great a pose and is tremendously overused in routines for people who don't practice all the time.  It's a lot of strain on the cuffs, elbows, and wrists, even if done correctly (which is not very frequently--it's a challenging pose to distribute well).

    I worked with a certified yoga therapist in NYC.  He was very meditation based, and got me on the right track for my body type and mindset (also something group classes rarely take into account).  There is a whole school of yoga therapy for yoga injuries now, to your point.  Says a lot!

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited August 2013

    LtotheK, that's a very helpful run-down of some great options!  I'll be investigating a few of them myself.  Thanks for such a great post!

  • DianeKS
    DianeKS Member Posts: 241
    edited August 2013

    Hey cookie,

    Yoga is great for many reasons. I participated in a yoga class for people in treatment or post treatment (within 2years). This class was offered through our CancerCare centre in Winnipeg. It is based more on the iyangar(sp) teachings. It is more gentle and less strenuous than some other classes. The instructor was very educated on adapting for various restrictions and new a lot about lymphedema. It was great for me....

    A few years later,when I had my recurrence I needed something to help with calming all the thoughts spinning in my head. I was made aware of a restorative yoga class. It is less focused on strenuous poses, and was very helpful in recharging my energy for the rest of the week. The class was 1 1/2 hrs, and flew by quickly. My instructor contacted the woman who was in charge of the first program for advice on certain positions and my specific limitations regarding lymphedema and bone mets. If a position did not feel right, she would come over and help me adapt, or I would just chose one that I liked and did that instead! I have used some of the techniques while getting tests done or waiting in the waiting room/ exam room for an apt.

    So, phone around and tell them what you are looking for. Perhaps try an iyangar, or restorative class. If that studio does not offer what you need, they might be able to refer you to the right place. Bring the sheets Binney posted and arrive a little early to remind the teacher about your concerns and your objectives for taking the class.

    Good luck,

    Namaste,

    Diane

  • cookiegal
    cookiegal Member Posts: 3,296
    edited August 2013

    thanks for all the advice!!!! I tried an easier class and an even easier class!

  • Estel
    Estel Member Posts: 3,353
    edited August 2013

    LtotheK - I too really appreciate your post.  Very helpful and encouraging too.  I can't much in the group yoga class anymore.  Part of what I hear you saying... is that I probably shouldn't be those things anyway.  Thank you.  What I've really found helpful in the yoga class that I sometimes attend is the opening Tai Chi sequences.  

    I'm very inspired that you are up to 15 lbs.  I was up to 5 last summer but had a very bad flare that was heat related (crazy HOT summer last summer) and I've never been able to work back up to 5lb dumbells.  I'm hopeful that if I keep creeping along with my 2-3lb dumbells that I'll eventually get back there.  I too am going to check out some of the options you posted.  Thank you.

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited August 2013

    LtoK, thank you!

    I've had shoulder issues, a frozen shoulder after wearing a cast and now my good shoulder is complaining on internal rotation....



    thanks for the great recommendations



    Also, thank you Diane for the advice on restorative yoga



    I had big plans for getting in shape this summer, and then had to have the hysterectomy thanks to tamoxifen and was very limited, actually still with some restrictions and fatigue. I see my surgeon next week for a recheck. All I'm doing is walking the dog.

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