Cyst that were actually malignancies & wire localization

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domesticwomen
domesticwomen Member Posts: 43

Well, it seems i have all the factors to scare the living day lights out of me!

A year ago i discovered a large lump, OB GYN sent me for ultrasound and diagnostic mamo .. only to be sent to a breast surgeon to have it aspirated. It was 4cm with a sister cyst of 3cm .... result was benign despite old blood in specimen. Was told to return in six weeks to make sure it remained gone and so there for i had more testing and everything was clear (this was 6 months ago & a year ago for the actual aspiration). Anyhow, just went in for my yearly OB GYN appt and to my surprise, the doctor told me he needed to order a diagnostic (yet again) and ultrasound on both breast because i had at least 7 lumps, two in the exact spot that i had aspriated a year ago.

Had the testing and discovered the two i had aspirated are indeed back (one is 2cm and the other 1.9cm) but both show up as being SIMPLE CYST. However, the right breast where i've never had any issues showed 4 SIMPLE CYST and one large cyst that WAS NOT described as "simple or complex". The size of that one is 3.9cm. **** Why was that one not described as simple or complex?? Any ideas?

Anyhow, seeing the breast surgeon next Tuesday to discuss having him remove the recurring cyst all together with a excisional biopsy and i suppose he'll be aspirating the NEW ONE in question. I'm at high risk due to having several factors .... extremely high density breast, fibrocystic changes, family history and age (44) . Fearing the WIRE LOCALIZATIO PROCEDURE!!!

Please share your wisdom and similiar experiences, please.

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  • Janet456
    Janet456 Member Posts: 507
    edited July 2013

    Oh dear - sorry I cannot help as I've never had a cyst, although have had other "things".

    My only bit of wisdom that I can pass on is that the wire localisation is nothing to fear - it was over before I knew it, and I never felt a thing.

    Good luck and best wishes xxx

  • domesticwomen
    domesticwomen Member Posts: 43
    edited July 2013

    Well, thanks good to know. Thank you, Janet! All of gods blessing to you! : )

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited July 2013

    I've had more cysts than I can count... and more aspirations too. I'd have an aspiration and behind the first big cyst my surgeon would find two more cysts.  Lots of cysts, starting from when I was in my early 40s and continuing till my late 40s. Some were quite large -  4cm or 5cm, or larger, in diameter.

    Cysts are very common during the pre-menopausal years and some of us are just prone to having mulitple cysts.  I am post-menopausal now and still have some but they are small and don't bother me so they've just been left in place.

    Having cysts is normal for anyone with fibrocystic breasts - and that's 60% of women - and they do not increase breast cancer risk.  Personally I would not have an excisional biopsy for something as simple and low risk as a cyst.  An excisional biopsy is surgery and with any surgery comes risks. Additionally, an excisional biopsy leaves scar tissue inside the breast, and that can make future screenings more difficult and it can lead to other conditions (necrosis, calcifications) that develop from the scar tissue, and those conditions can be difficult to distinguish from cancer.  So having an excisional biopsy could lead to more problems, and the need for more biopsies, down the road.  Of course there are many situations where an excisional biopsy is necessary or highly recommended - I've had 3 over the years - but unless your surgeon feels that an excisional biospy is advisable and the best approach, personally I wouldn't be asking for one. 

    You mention you are "high risk due to having several factors .... extremely high density breast, fibrocystic changes, family history and age (44)"   Is your breast density level 4? That would be higher than average for someone your age (pre-menopausal women tend to have dense breasts but level 3 would be more normal) but the real concern with breast density is for women who continue to have dense breasts after menopause.  Having fibrocystic breasts does not increase breast cancer risk for most women, and as I mentioned, 60% of women have fibrocystic breasts.  It's only if a particular high risk factor is found in a biopsy, such ADH or ALH, that risk is increased.  As for age, why do you feel that being 44 is a risk factor?  Breast cancer risk increases as we get older and it's actually women in their 60s and 70s who have the highest risk.  Lastly, what is your family history?  A lot of women worry that they are high risk when in fact all or most of the factors that concern them are actually normal.  That might not be the case for you - perhaps you do have factors that really do make you high risk - but the cysts and fibrocystic breasts are normal conditions.  So before you take actions based on the assumption that you are high risk, you should truly understand your risk level.  Talk to the breast surgeon about this.

    Lastly, I can't say why one of the cysts would not be described as being either "simple" or "complex".  I would think that only the radiologist who wrote the report would be able to explain that.

  • domesticwomen
    domesticwomen Member Posts: 43
    edited July 2013

    Wow, beesie!! God bless you for all your valuable information. You've stopped me in my tracks and have given me much to rethink. I need to re-read all this and reexamine how this compares to all i've researched on the web. And I mean hours of research daily.



    I will tell you though quickly that everything I've read tells me having extremely dense breast (this is how the word is described in report) makes me at the highest form of bc risk. *check out the "Are you dense" website. Also, I realize fibrocystic changes isn't a risk in itself BUT having that condition... does make it more difficult to distinguish a mass that's malignant, from one that is just a benign cyst (at least that's what my doctor told me). He also told me the best way (due to my density) to distinguish the two, is by ultrasound but insurance will normally only pay for a annual regular mammo screening and remember mammo's don't catch but 40% of malignant tumors in women with extremely dense breast.



    I also read that a recurring cyst of more then two times should be considered for removal, as with each new time ... it becomes suspicious. Now this is only what i've read but I will be asking the doctor.



    As far as age, I thought premenopausal women with a family history, dense breast and fibrosystic changes were strong factors when combined. Funny that, as most survivor stories i've read ... the women seem to be in the age group of 40- 60. Perhaps that's just the ones I'm noticing. : /



    I only have one Aunt (my moms sister) who died of breast cancer at the age of 43 and my father died of colan cancer at the age of 67 but I've had a pre- cancer that required a hysterectomy years ago.



    Now I have this 3.9cm cyst but in my mind, since it wasn't identified (like all the other's) as a simple cyst, I'm freaking out. : (



    You've given me so much information that makes me ...second guess everthing I had previously decided. I so thank you for that and all the time you took in telling me. As I said, I will re-read all this and write back seeking further opinions and I would love to hear from you again, as well as others. I'm sure I missed a thing or two but i'll get back on here later. Thanks again!!



    All my love to you for sharing ALL YOUR first hand knowledge! : )

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited July 2013

    Your aunt doesn't count much as long as you don't have a first degree relative or multiple relatives with breast or ovarian cancer, nor does a single case of colon cancer. Cervical precancer is not a breast cancer risk either.

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited July 2013

    domesticwomen, I agree with MelissaDallas.  The family history that you have really doesn't sound like it would increase your risk, which is good news. You have to consider that 1 out of every 3 women and 1 out of every 2 men will develop cancer during their lifetimes.  So it's not unusual to find a few cases of cancer in every family.  In your family, it's just one case on each side of the family.  What would count as a family history is a pattern on one side of the family of multiple cases of breast, ovarian or prostate cancer, or other cancers that may be related to breast cancer.  And as MelissaDallas mentioned, it's these types of cancer among 1st degree relatives that is most important.

    So it doesn't appear that you have a family history that increases your risk.  And as I mentioned in my previous post, having fibrocystic breasts also doesn't increase your risk. 

    Fibrocystic Breast Condition  "Fibrocystic breasts are characterized by lumpiness and usually discomfort in one or both breasts. The lumpiness is due to small breast masses or breast cysts. The condition is very common and benign, meaning that fibrocystic breasts are not malignant (cancerous). Fibrocystic breast disease (FBD), now referred to as fibrocystic changes or fibrocystic breast condition, is the most common cause of "lumpy breasts" in women and affects more than 60% of women. The condition primarily affects women between the ages of 30 and 50, and tends to become less of a problem after menopause"

    Fibrocystic breasts  "Having fibrocystic breasts doesn't increase your risk of breast cancer, unless the breast changes are associated with atypical hyperplasia (atypia) — the abnormal appearance and overgrowth of cells lining breast lobules and ducts."

    It is true that having fibrocystic breasts can make it more difficult to distinguish between harmless fibrocystic conditions, such as cysts and generally lumpiness, and new lesions that might be a sign of breast cancer.  My strategy was regular breast self exams, so that I was very familiar with the 'landscape' of my breasts.  That way, anytime I felt anything different, I would keep an eye on it.  If the change lasted through 2 menstrual cycles, I'd get it checked out.  I also found that my large cysts tended to develop very quickly - and I knew that breast cancer doesn't usually develop that quickly.  So if I had a large lump that sprang up out of nowhere, I pretty much knew that it was yet another cyst.  But of course I'd still get it checked out by a breast surgeon - I was a regular patient of my breast surgeon for years!

    The one condition that you have that does increase your risk is your breast density.  "Extremely dense" breasts would be level 4 density.  For someone who is 44 and pre-menopausal, the following article suggests that your 5 year risk would be approx. 1.8% (or 0.36% per year), going up to 2.5% (0.5% per year) as you get into your late 40s.  The article notes that the greatest risk is for those women who are post-menopausal, have extremely dense breasts and use hormone replacement therapy.  Breast Cancer Risk by Breast Density, Menopause, and Postmenopausal Hormone Therapy Use

    Since you are pre-menopausal, what's most important to monitor is whether your breast density decreases over the first few years after you reach menopause. That's what normally (but not always) happens, and that will bring down your risk. And the important thing to keep in mind when you read articles about breast density is that they tend to compare the breast cancer rates of those with the most dense breasts (category 4) against those with the least dense breast breasts (category 1). So when they say that there is a "5 fold increase" risk, they are talking about the group with the highest risk against the group with the lowest risk. In reality however only about 10% of women fall into the lowest category, whereas approx. 2/3 of women who are pre-menopausal have fall into either category 3 or 4 and are considered to have "dense" breasts. So while there is no question that high breast density is a significant risk factor for breast cancer, the "4 times the risk" or "6 times the risk" numbers you read in many of the articles tend to be misinterpreted. The actual increase in risk, compared to the "average" woman, is not nearly so high.

    Lastly, this information on cysts might be helpful:  Breast cysts  "If you have a breast cyst, you may need to have fluid drained more than once. Recurrent or new cysts are common.... "

    Hope this helps!

  • domesticwomen
    domesticwomen Member Posts: 43
    edited July 2013

    Beesie, thanks to your very informative response ... I found myself having a full nights sleep. Thank you for clarifying my worst fears into something not so bad. I will let you know (if you care to here) how my appt goes Tuesday with the breast surgeon. Until then, if you don't mind ... I'd like to ask you a few questions. First, why would you have needed three excisional biopsys? Also, since you had cystic breast.... how did you discover your DCIS? I imagine that's a kind of breast cancer, right?



    Whatever your situation, I pray that our Lord heal you! Thank you for your time.

    : )

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