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azlisa
azlisa Member Posts: 18

Hi, I have had a sterotactic biopsy and core biospy on my left breast for calcifcations and a couple of cysts. The cysts turned out to be nothing. The calcifications report states: Sections show needle core biopsies of fibrofatty breast tissue. There are areas of sclerosing adenosis. There are some dilated ducts present/small cysts. Intraluminal microcalification is noted. There is columnar cell alteration present.There is a small focus of atypical ductual hyperplasia present.

Fast forward, on the above mentioned report the surgeon opted for an open excisional biospy. I had this done last Thursday. Went in today for results and surgeon stated that pathologist is doing more testing on additional samples since he saw something suspisious. She (surgeon) stated that he is checking for ALH and DCIS. I have to wait until Friday for results unless it comes back as cancer and then she will need to see me again.

Reading everything online on ADH and ALH, is one worst then the other? I am nervous and concerned also since I am on HRT (patch) and surgeon

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  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited June 2013

    azlisa, welcome to Breastcancer.org.

    You can read more about ADH and ALH in the Certain Breast Changes article in the main Breastcancer.org site. That page includes steps you can take to help reduce your risk, if you are diagnosed with a benign breast condition that can increase your risk.

    Please post again and let us know when you have your results on Friday.

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited June 2013

    Hi Azlisa - I had both ADH and ALH. My BS said if I only had ADH he would not be that concerned, but he sent me to a genetic counselor for the ALH because it can be a marker for breast cancer in both breasts. I also have the high risk family. You might consider talking to your breast surgeon about the HRT. I think there is a decent possibility they'll want you off of it, since many potentials cancers are fueled by estrogen. Best of luck! Hugs to you!

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited June 2013

    Azlisa... I had ADH. If I had taken Tamoxifen back then, I may have been able to prevent my cancer diagnosis... My understanding of ALH is as the above mentioned... That it often shows up in both breasts... not sure if one is worse than the other. But ADH is estrogen fed, so the patch is probably not a good thing.

  • azlisa
    azlisa Member Posts: 18
    edited June 2013

    Here is an update from the surgeon on the pathology:

    Diagnosis-

    Left breast, re-excision- Lobular neoplasia, ranging from atypical lobular hyperplasia to lobular carcinoma in situ.

    Proliferative fibrocystic changes with intraluminal microcalcification and atypical ductual hyperplasia.

    Small fibroadenoma

    prior biopsy site changes present

    small ductual papilloma, sclerotic

    Also my surgeon stated due to this report I am to stop immediately the HRT since it will raise my risk even higher. Now with that said she also mentioned that if my insurance covers it that I may want to have an MRI since I do qualify risk rise for it. Any thoughts on all of this? And thank you for all your advise.

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited June 2013

    Yes, have the MRI. I have LCIS and lobular stuff is notorious for not showing up on other imaging. You want to make sure they don't see anything else lurking in there. I am followed by six month alternating mammos & MRIs. They also may offer you Raloxifene or another drug to further lower your risk.



    Sorry you find yourself here but come join us in the high risk thread.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited June 2013

    Azlisa... My opinion. You should have the MRI. You should have the papilloma removed, and all ADH and ALH assuming nothing else shows on MRI... I would stop HRT and if nothing else is necessary, take Tamoxifen.

  • azlisa
    azlisa Member Posts: 18
    edited June 2013

    I have scheduled my MRI and I have it on Monday at 7am. I assume that the papilloma was removed since the results I attached was from pathology from the open biopsy I had 2 weeks ago. Will update once I have the results from the MRI.

    Lisa

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited June 2013

    Good luck, Lisa. We'll be thinking of you! 

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited June 2013

    Keep us posted Lisa.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2013

    lisa----glad to hear they got you scheduled for an MRI.  I was diagnosed with LCIS almost 10 years ago and my risk is further elevated by my family history of bc (mom had ILC and is a 25 year survivor!).  I do high risk surveillance of alternating mammos and MRIs every 6 months with breast exams on the opposite 6 months, I took tamoxifen for 5 years and have been on evista for over 4 years.  Fortunately, I have not needed any further biopsies or lumpectomies in all these years. (it is not necessarily a "given" with LCIS, as some say), but I would always be willing to reconsider the bilat mastectomy option if needed, in the future.

    Hoping you get good results from the MRI and nothing more serious found. I would recommend trying tamoxifen and see how you tolerate it.

    Anne

  • jenniferv
    jenniferv Member Posts: 9
    edited July 2013

    I also  was dx with LCIS Sept of 2004 - was on Tamoxifen - then Aromasin - and now Evista since  for nearly 2 years with no significant side effects -  I have no fam hx so I am fortunate in that regard -  I have MRI's now  every 2 years which I would like to return to every year but that will be a discussion with my doc -  and  dx mammo's every year - so -   I am always on the hunt for any new info  -

  • azlisa
    azlisa Member Posts: 18
    edited July 2013

    Had my MRI on Monday and the hospital called and said the Radiologist wants to take more images with more contrast. So have another MRI scheduled for Tuesday. Dont know if this is standard or if something was seen or not. Will have to wait another week for results.

    Wish me luck! Lisa

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited July 2013

    Azlisa, I think your MRI must have been suboptimal for some reason. Did they have trouble with your IV? Usually when they have to repeat it is because the test wasn't good for whatever reason, not because they saw something.

  • azlisa
    azlisa Member Posts: 18
    edited July 2013

    I dont have the paper results so I am just going on memory but I have to have an MRI guided biopsy on both right and left now due to the MRI I had done. I will request acutal results Monday and have more information. Doctor mentioned they saw something by where I had my open incisional biopsy and now they see a mass on the right. I am holding off on doing anything till next month, my grand kids are visiting for the month and figure to wait till they leave. Still am nervous though. Will update when I know more.

  • azlisa
    azlisa Member Posts: 18
    edited July 2013

     BC MR Breast W!+W/O Contrast Bilateral                  7191 010 91134 AM MST

     Reason for exam:

    TECHNICAL CALL BACK MALIGNANT NEOPLASM OF FEMALE BREAST

     Report:

    •*AMERICAN COLLEGE OF RADIOLOGY ACCREDITED  FACILITY**

    HISTORY:   surgical excisional  biopsy superior  left breast 6/13/2013 with histology of lobular neoplasia, atypical ductal hyperplasia, fibroadenoma  and papilloma.  No family history of breast cancer.

    COMPARISON: Left breast needle localization images and surgical specimen 6/13/2013, left breast stereotactic biopsy and postprocedure mammogram 4130/2013, mammograms from SimonMed Imaging 4/15/2013 and 4/10/2013.

    TECHNIQUE:   VIBRANT dynamic technique was employed with and without gadolinium contrast using a dedicated breast coil.  Additional 3D multiplanar reformatted

    images, subtraction images, MIP image, and kinetic analysis curves were generated and reconstructed on a separate workstation.

    MRI FINDINGS:  The breast parenchyma is composed of heterogeneously dense parenchyma and fat   There  is moderate bilateral background parenchymal enhancement.   Numerous bilateral scattered enhancing foci and areas of fibrocystic changes are noted.

    Right Breast: Within the right upper outer quadrant at a middle depth, there is a 1 cm x 1 cm well-circumscribed mass with lobulated margins. This

    Demonstrates moderate uptake of contrast with progressive type kinetics.  This is

    labeled as finding #1. MRI guided needle core biopsy is recommended.

    Within the remainder of the right breast, there are no other enhancing masses are non-mass like enhancement suspicious for malignancy. 


    BC MR Breast W/+W/O Contrast Bilateral



    Left Breast:  Postsurgical changes and postsurgical seroma in the upper central

    left breast, seroma  measures 3.5 x 2 cm   There is a thin rim of enhancement

    surrounding the surgical site which is within normal limits.  However, along the superior and lateral margin of the surgical site there is a focal masslike enhancement measuring 2 cm.  This demonstrates moderate uptake of contrast with progressive type kinetics.  This is labeled as finding #2.  MRI guided needle core biopsy recommended.  Within the remainder of the left breast. there are no additional areas of non-masslike enhancement  or enhancing masses suspicious for malignancy.                                                                                                          

    The bilateral visualized axillary lymph nodes appear unremarkable.                                                

    IMPRESSION:

    1. Right upper outer quadrant at a middle depth, there is a 1 cm x 1 cm smoothly marginated mass with lobul9ted margins.  This finding is indeterminate.  MRI guided needle core biopsy is recommended.  This is labeled as finding #1.

    1. Along the superior and lateral margin of the surgical bed, there is a focal masslike enhancement measuring 2 cm.  This finding is indeterminate.  MRI guided needle core biopsy is recommended.  This is labeled a.s finding #2.
    1. BIRADS:  4 - Suspicious abnormality, biopsy should be considered.
  • ED2012
    ED2012 Member Posts: 97
    edited July 2013

    azlisa - I am sorry it sounds as though you will need additional testing.  However, thank goodness they are being so thorough so if they do find something menacing it can be dealt with sooner rather than later!  I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers.

  • azlisa
    azlisa Member Posts: 18
    edited July 2013

    I noticed at the top of diagnosis it states:

    TECHNICAL CALL BACK MALIGNANT NEOPLASM OF FEMALE BREAST

    Does this mean I have cancer??

  • marie5890
    marie5890 Member Posts: 3,594
    edited July 2013

    Lisa,

    That is a report of the MRI results. It's not a diagnosis. Not sure why that is at the top of the report, maybe it's just to give a reason for why the MRI is requested (to check and see if there is cancer)

    No, that report does not say you have cancer. What it is saying is that there are some areas that should be biopsied however.

    Hang in there. Only a biopsy can give you an definitive answer

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited July 2013

    I think that is referring to the LCIS in your reexcision biopsy. Rather than calling in carcinoma in-situ many places are calling it lobular neoplasm.

  • azlisa
    azlisa Member Posts: 18
    edited July 2013

    Melissa, You are correct on the reason they called it malignant, at least that is what my surgeon thinks it has to do with radiologist calling it lobular neoplasm. I am scheduled to have the biopsies on the 30th, will update once I know more. Hopefully this will be it, at least that is what I am praying for. Thanks for all the words of encouragement!

  • azlisa
    azlisa Member Posts: 18
    edited August 2013

    Ok I had my MRI and my MRI guided biopsies on both right and left breast. They have found more ALH in my left breast and now it is in my right breast. I need to have another open incisional biopsy in both breasts now. Dr has stated that I will have to have yearly MRI's and need to see an onocolgist and most likely go on Tamoxifen. My surgeon and my primary are also giving me another option, an Mastectomy. They said even thou radical they feel that since they keep finding ALH that is more a case of not "if" I will have breast cancer but "when".

    I am swimming in all of this and will be getting a second opinion and also meet with an ocologist to see what they say along with a plastic surgeon just so I am fully informed. I feel like I am in a dream right now. My husband knows what is going on but my family is in dark since I did not want to worry them.

    Not sure what to think anymore.Cry

    Lis

  • marie5890
    marie5890 Member Posts: 3,594
    edited August 2013

    Lis,

    You have had a great deal thrown at you. Take a deep breath. You dont need to decide "right now"...Or even "tomorrow"....

    Get that second opinion. Try to quiet your soul so that you when make an informed decision, whatever that decision may be, it's based on being well informed, and not emotion (that includes fear and anxiety)

    Gather the information. Weigh it, try to be detacted from the emotional aspect as much as  possible. 

    Ask for an anti-anxiety meds if you feel that would be helpful.

    The goal is always, health. Always. Biggest gift we give to ourselves, and our families and those we love. 

    HUGGSSS

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited August 2013

    Lis, (I like that, that's what my family calls me:), definitely get a second opinion. ALH & LCIS both tend to be diffusely through both breasts, and it is certainly not a given that you will eventually get breast cancer if nothing else is found on the excisional biopsies & you are not high risk for other reasons. It might also help to get genetic counseling, because they are the risk estimate experts. My understanding is that 12% of women with no risks get breast cancer. They estimate that 20% of women with LCIS will, so ALH may just be a few percentage points above "average". You have plenty of time to decide what you want to do.

  • CBrown107
    CBrown107 Member Posts: 53
    edited August 2013

    Since there is so much knowledge on this thread, I'll ask a question!  I had a surgical biopsy June 25, and both ADH and ALH were found.  I had my surgeon give me a copy of the pathology report, and I asked him to show me what most concerned him.  He pointed to the ADH, rather than ALH.  I have seen an oncologist, and am waiting for him to consult with my gynecologist because they have a difference of opinion as to which medication I should be on now: Tamoxifen on an AI.  (It seems to be a long process with one doctor then another being out of town this time of year).  No one has explained anything about the ALH and ADH except to acknowledge that both were found.  I did ask the oncologist how likely is it that there are more of the same kinds of cells in other places not biopsied, and he said rather than thinking of it like that, I should concentrate on taking the medication to lower my risk.  I wonder if that means he doesn't know, and it doesn't matter, or we have to wait and see if it shows up? 

    Lis -- I wish you the best!

    Charlotte

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2013

    Lis-----the great news is that no DCIS or invasive cancer was found!  I  have to echo what marie said-----take your time, (there is no rush with LCIS (or ALH) as it is non-invasive), do all the research you want or need, get 2nd opinions if you want, but don't make any decisions out of fear. I've been doing high risk surveillance (MRIs alternating with mammos every 6 months) and taking meds for nearly 10 years now. I may go the route of mastectomies at some point, but only if it is medically indicated. (which right now, it isn't). Feel free to PM me if you'd like to talk. I've been dealing with this a long time now, and can be  a listening ear if you need one!

    anne

  • farmerlucy
    farmerlucy Member Posts: 3,985
    edited August 2013

    I say this all the time but I think how well your breasts image is crucial. The docs need to be able to see things that come up. With that said my yearly screening protocol post BC is yearly MRIs. Also if someone had told me about Tamoxifen when I was in my 30s or 40s (in hindsight) I would absolutely take it.

  • azlisa
    azlisa Member Posts: 18
    edited August 2013

    First thank you everyone, my head was swimming with all of this yesterday and the fear obviously took over. Here is the breakdown of the biopsy:

    A. Left Breast - Scattered foci of ALH with some areas approaching lovular carcinoma in situ, backgroud of fibrocystic change, post biospy changes, negative for invasive carconoma, and microcalcifications identified.

    B. Right Breast - Focal ALH, background of proliferative fibrocystic change,negative for invasive carconoma, and microcalcifications identified.

    I am planning on getting a second opinion but one thing I decided I am not going to go through a mastecomy at this time, I feel it is way to drastic. Now should I get second opinion on the procedure and/ or oncologist?

    Thanks again everyone. Liss

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited August 2013

    Charlotte... I was diagnosed with ADH when I was 35. At the time, no one offered me tamoxifen, just yearly mammograms. But I am now 50 and have learned a lot since then. First, mammograms were worthless for me in monitoring my breasts. Second, had I been offered tamoxifen, I may have been able to avoid a BC diagnosis and having gone through surgery and chemo, I would 100% have taken the Tamoxifen... (I am on it now and have no side effects) Third, without biopsies, there is no way for the doctor to tell you if every ADH cell is removed. But if you take the Tamoxifen, it will / can reduce your risk to the average person.

    Liss... I understand your concern and interest in a mastectomy, but you need to fully understand the risks involved with MX before you do anything. First of all, it is a major surgery. Some women think they just take out the breast tissue and put in an implant. end of story. But not so. First of all, implants can be painful, cause lymphedema, and need replacing every ten years. I didn't have implants, but chose a flap reconstruction. My breasts look and feel good, but I have had a lot of surgery to get here. So just be forewarned that there isn't an easy fix, and a MX is a major undertaking... something I probably wouldn't do without a BC diagnosis or BRCA + diagnosis... Having ADH and ALH wouldn't be enough for me.

  • Momcat1962
    Momcat1962 Member Posts: 665
    edited August 2013

    BDavis,



    I was just diagnosed with ADH. I am almost 51, gave had blood clots, have uterine and cervical, ovarian issues so I can not take the two meds. Is there ANYTHING else out there? I,too, have useless mammos. My breast tissue is very dense, fibrous. That US the only thing recommended. I go in December. Thanks to sweet Farmerlucydaisy, I am taking her advice and going to see about another consultation.

  • MelissaDallas
    MelissaDallas Member Posts: 7,268
    edited August 2013

    Aromasin can be taken when you can't take the others because of clotting risk. They've just offered it to me (I had a pulmonary embolism a couple of years ago) and new treatment guideline are recommending Aromasin instead of the other drugs as a preventative.

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