Starting Chemo June 2013!?!?!

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  • Netter
    Netter Member Posts: 107
    edited June 2013

    Tomorrow I start my steroids, get blood work done and my finger and toenails shellac.  Bag packed for chemo room and just about ready to go.  Started Brian Joseph for eyebrows and eyelashes Monday.  Ladies prayed for me at Bible Study.  Feel like I am getting ready for a vacation............ not hardly.  Very glad to have all of you to go through this with.  We keep each other going and helping when we can.  Good luck to all of the June ladies and I pray that it is smooth sailing.  Let's get this thing done and soon it will be finished.

  • MichelleRN78
    MichelleRN78 Member Posts: 64
    edited June 2013

    @ingrid  The second round of chemo was very similar to the first.  The side effects were about the same.  I was told to journal how I was feeling the days after chemo because they will be similar everytime.  So I would just write something really simple like:  Tuesday- feel like crap, slept most of day.  Then the second time I had something to compare and it seemed to be pretty much the same.

    Hair is one of those personal decisions, some would prefer to wear a wig it offers privacy.  I have chose to not wear a wig and my privacy is compromised.  Everyone who see's me knows that something is up, even with a hat or a scarf it is evident.  My hair started to come out a couple days before my second chemo(about 17 days) and I tried to "hold" on to it.   It is a lot of work trying to keep your hair I was cleaning mybathroom constantly.  I finally decided to cut it in a GI Jane style until most of it fell out then I just cut it as close to the skin as I would with some mini clippers I had.  

    Hope that helps

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited June 2013

    Just want to wish every one of you the best with your chemo.  I know that each of you have fears about the chemo but with practical knowledge and the support of each other, you will will get through this time in chemoland.  I'm sure you have many questions about what to do about the nails, hair, eating, the Neulasta, side effects, etc.  If you do, please post them.  I can post some info for you. If I can help you by answering questions about the Cytoxan/Taxotere chemo regimen, let me know.  Been there and done that.

    Sending many HUGS and lots of positive calming and healing prayers, thoughts and energy.  Wishing each of you an easy time in the Big Girl Chair aka BGC and minimal side effects.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited June 2013

    OceanWarrior~~Junebugs! I love that!!!



    Ingrid~~Headache is usually caused by the infusion running too quickly for you. I assumed my headache was caused by one of the pre-meds I got for nausea, because the only time I ever get a headache is sinus, and that's rare. When I mentioned it to the infusion nurse, she said she'd slow the IV down. I never had another headache.



    Blessings

    Paula

  • Alibeths
    Alibeths Member Posts: 656
    edited June 2013

    Is the shelac for nails ok???

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited June 2013

    Claritin-- Take one dose daily starting the morning that you receive your Neulasta shot and continue daily for 7 days.  This is the protocal of the ongoing clinical trial to determine if Claritin helps the bone pain related to the Neulasta shot.  Here is the link to the clinical trial if you want to know more about it and take the info to your onco:   http://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/NCT01311336?term=claritin+neulasta&rank=1  Also, it is possible to still have joint pain/muscle aches even though one is taking the Claritin since the joint pain and muscle aches can be a side effect of your chemo regimen.

    As for when the Neulasta shot will be administered, it is given 24 hours after your infusion.  Who gets it and when?  That really depends upon your chemo regimen and your onco.  I was on the Cytoxan/Taxotere regimen and received the Neulasta shot only after it was demonstrated that I needed it.  I developed a high spikey fever/chills 10 days after my 2nd round which was treated with two antibotics.  The reason that some oncos wait is to see if your white blood cells counts stay good so one doesn't have to have the shots.  Your blood work may be done right before you have chemo which will also help determine if you need it.  The alternative to the Neulasta shot are the Neupogen shots which are administered over several times and can be self administered.  Tne Neulasta shot is an expensive shot which explains why some oncos wait before starting it versus the less expensive Neupogen shots.  I know you may not want to take the shot because of the potential side effects that you may have read about; however, it beats staying in the hospital for several days to get control over any infection you may have.

    I always had mine administered in my tummy where there was some fat and so it wouldn't hurt.  The nurse will let you warm up the shot in your hand before she administers it.  Ask her to inject slowly since the shot sting is less.  Remember, you don't have to look when she is injecting.

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited June 2013

    About the nails..... if you love manis/pedis, you may want to be careful if you have those done once you start chemo.  You want to minimize the risk of infection that can easily happen if you get nicked or cut.  I know that acrylic nails are out during chemo.  I used Essie Top N Bottom Coat all in one base coat to help keep my nails strong and also used a very light pink called Mademoiselle.  There are two schools of thought about nail polish color.  Some say to use dark nail polish to block out the reaction that light may have to the nails and others say to use a clear.  I always had a nail check when I had my appt with my onco so I used the base coat so she could see.  I did ice my finger nails and toe nails and fortunately did not have any nail damage.  The only thing that I noticed was that I had a horizontal ridge/dent which coincided with every round of chemo.  I also made sure that I ate well during chemo.   I also used rubber gloves when washing dishes and using any cleaning products.  I also made a conscious effort to stop using my fingernails as tools ( opening cardboard boxes or as staple removers).  Keep those nails short and protect them as best you can.

    Alibeths- just call your onco's office and ask if it is okay to use the shellac.

  • VAL1966
    VAL1966 Member Posts: 37
    edited June 2013

    Ocean warrior, I see We are also canadian friends :)

    Send me a note on thursday or Friday and let me know how it went !! Ill be thinking of you!!

    Stay strong everyone !!!

  • MaineRottweilers
    MaineRottweilers Member Posts: 156
    edited June 2013

    Add me to the club.  I had my port installed today (arrived home two hours ago).  I'm feeling just fine---maybe a little stiff and hung over.  I was out for the procedure (propofol & good local).  I start Chemo on the 14th.  Six treatments of TCH q21 days, 11 additional treatments of H and 33 sessions of rads.  

    I'm curious, how many of you worked during treatments? I have a physically demanding job (veterinary technician) and I get scratched and knocked about quite a bit but I am determined to KEEP WORKING!  Am I being too ambitious. I wouldn't know what to do with myself if I didn't work at least a few hours each day. I had my mastectomy on a Tuesday and was back to work the following Monday.

    What is Brian Joseph and where can I get it? I'm getting a radical haircut on Saturday morning.  Beautician is coming before hours to do it.  I'm more sad about my hair than my breast.  My hair is nearly waist length and curly---I will miss it. I don't miss my breast one bit and can't wait to have the other one off.  No reconstruction---flat chested is just fine by me.

    Bless you all, hope you are all doing well!

  • Netter
    Netter Member Posts: 107
    edited June 2013

    Got my blood work done in my port, very easy, YEA!!!  The nurse left the needle in so that I won't have to be restuck tomorrow, another YEA!!!!!   I think she said it can stay in for 72 hours??  Took my steroids this morning and it really made me foggy with a headache.  I have had migraines for years and this was NOTHING like that, lol.  Will take 2 more this evening.  Will let you know how it goes tomorrow.  Is anyone else 1st dose tomorrow?  How are the earlier ones doing?  Prayers for all of you!

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited June 2013

    Tracy- There are many women who work while having chemo.  With your kind of work, you just need to be careful and try to avoid the scratches and cuts as much as possible.  if it means wearing double gloves, then do that.  You will really need to let your body be your guide as to how much you are able to handle workwise.  Try to listen to your body and try not to push it.  Try to stay healthy as you can by eating well, staying hydrated, rest whenever you can and do get out for a walk.  As you will find, the side effects of the chemo are cumulative.  You may feel more fatigued and tired as you get further through your chemo. 

    As for the hair, I hear you.  I had waist length hair when I was initally diagnosed.  A month later when I had my UMX, I had a short bob.  After my first chemo, I gave myself a short boy hair cut.  (Yes, I cut my hair--- made a bunch of little pony tails and snipped them off myself and then had my husband use his trusty electric clippers to clean up.)  I opted not to buzz my head since I wanted to see what hair would remain  (like a personal science project for me).  Surprisingly, I had a sparse thin veil of hair left after my 6 rounds of chemo.  Post chemo, that pre chemo hair did fall out but it was replaced with duck fuzz and eventually with normal hair.  You just need to know, it's okay to mourn the loss of your hair.  The loss of hair is so very personal and we all deal with it in different and individual ways.  Some opt to buzz it, some opt to mohawk it, some just let it fall.  No matter what you opt to do, just remember that you are beautiful.  Nothing will change that.....

  • Netter
    Netter Member Posts: 107
    edited June 2013

    Oh, I forgot the Brian Joseph website. http://brianjosephs.com/cgi-bin/Agora/agora.cgi?cart_id=&product=PersonalCare  This man devolped it for his wife when she had breast cancer.  In April and May several have used it and said that it helped.  They thinned but didn't lose all.

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited June 2013

    I had a prescription for Latisse that I asked my onco for.  I opted not to fill the prescription but some have also used that to help with the eyelashes and brows.  The drawback to the Latisse is the cost; it's a little expensive.

  • Alibeths
    Alibeths Member Posts: 656
    edited June 2013

    tell me if i am being crazy, but i thought this was weird!!! i start chemo a week from today and today i asked my MO for some xanex...She said she doesnt wanna give it to me yet, but if I need it, we'll deal with it.  She is also giving me NOTHING before my 1st chemo...SHe said she will put it all in IV and send me hme with meds.  SHe said no steriods unti  Taxol...A C first.. I'm upset because I thought I would get anti-anxiety meds...SHe doesnt believing in "over-medicating".  I love her, and I trust her, but I was surprised.  ANYONE??Laughing

  • argynis
    argynis Member Posts: 123
    edited June 2013

    Alibeths,

    I would not worry about the steroids. I don't get any medication the day befor my infusions so also nothing before #1 (A/C). I took one steroid pill during my first treatment (they wanted me to take 3 but I refused) and took one for two days after together with Zofran and Emend. The steroids made me dizzy and I could not sleep well- I also got acne. For treatment two and three I took just one with chemo and none after that (only Emend and Zofran) and there are basically no side effects except for a general wahh feeling. Isleep fine every night. For #4 I will probably refuse taking the steroids at all. You have to find out how much support your body needs without over-medicating as this is additional stress on your system. I am doing dose-dense so I have to get neupogen shots for 7 days after each treatment to boost my white blood cell count.

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited June 2013

    Alibeths- It is understandable that your onco is taking a conservative approach with your pre-chemo meds.   the oncos can give you a laundry list of possible side effects but no one really knows how your body will react until you actually get the chemo.   It is not unusual for one on your chemo regimen to have your first round of anti-meds to be given through the IV before the chemo is infused.  As for the anti-anxiety meds, my onco offered to administer Ativan in with my IV meds which I had not requested.  I opted to have the Ativan via the pre-chemo IV and the only times that I received  the Ativan was with each round of chemo.  I did not have any anti-anxiety meds and never asked for any.  I know everyone is different when it comes to chemo.  I had a different chemo regimen than you and was given Decadron (steroid) to take the starting the day before the chemo round.  The Decadron tends to keep one wired which makes sleeping at night difficult.  I also took Zofran, anti-nausea med the day after the chemo.  I know that I received Zofran and Benedryl through my IV plus the Ativan.  I know you are nervous and anxious about the first round.  Just be easy on yourself and try to keep busy between now and then.  The day before your chemo, make sure you hydrate and eat healthy.  Hang in there!!!!  You can do this and before long, you will say "I am doing this!!!"

  • Alibeths
    Alibeths Member Posts: 656
    edited June 2013

    Thanks ladies. I need to remember everyone is different. 💖❤💜

  • Netter
    Netter Member Posts: 107
    edited June 2013

    Just had an awful time with the decadron vomiting and dry heaves.  Called MO and she said I had to take the other 2 pills because of the taxotere.  Took Zofran, first one came up.  Finally stomach settled enough to keep 2nd one down.  Thought it was possible I might miss my appointment tomorrow.  Finally feeling better.  Will take Zofran at first symptom of nausea.  Wonder what tomorrow will bring?  Definately going to pack an overnight bag as we live almost 3 hours away.  Take care all and good luck!

  • JudyMacK
    JudyMacK Member Posts: 3
    edited June 2013

    4weeks ago I had my left breast removed and my right breasts reduced in size. Tho only complications I had was my drains wanted st stay with forever. They were hardworking but needed to removed to start chemo.



    I have found my bravery until this and I am quite frankly very worried about the side effects. Do any of have good healthy food ideas to keep me moving forward . Many thanks ladies

  • lstewart51
    lstewart51 Member Posts: 43
    edited June 2013

    Hi ladies had 1st chemo treatment yesterday feel OK just a little tired going for nuelesta shot today good luck to those getting theirs today

  • Alibeths
    Alibeths Member Posts: 656
    edited June 2013

    YAY!!!!!   Was it crazy???   I think it has to be a little relief right?

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited June 2013

    Netter- Sorry to hear you had a problem with the Decadron.  Just a gentle reminder that the Decadron and Zofran should be taken with food because those drugs on their own can cause nausea when taken on an empty tummy.  Try to drink plenty of fluids when you take them.

    JudyMacK-  Healthy eating--- I was given a book called "Eating Well Through Cancer" written by Holly Clegg and Gerald Miletello, MD.  This book was a great source for me because it had tips and suggestions as to how to handle side effects, recipes, shopping lists, menus.  The book chapters are by what to eat before chemo and what to eat when having "C", "D", sore mouth, etc.  I purchased another book called "The Cancer Fighting Kitchen" by Rebecca Katz.  It had great pictures and recipes and tips.  I think you can find the books for purchase thru Amazon or Barnes and Noble.  I kept a food diary which helped so I could figure out what foods worked for me and which ones did not.  I ate 5-6 small meals every day so I would always have some food in my tummy.  While in chemoland, a fed tummy is a happy tummy.  I bet you are wondering if I gained a lot of weight because I ate so often.... the answer is no.  What weight I did gain was fluid weight which I did lose.  The days after chemo, I usually ate a bland diet of baked potatoes, mashed potatoes, mac n cheese, baked fish or chicken.  To help keep the constipation at bay, I ate a few Sunsweet Ones prunes after breakfast, lunch and dinner.  You can find those at Target below the raisin shelf.  They are individually wrapped prunes that are moist and sweet.  Try to stay hydrated.  I know the water drinking can get very boring.  I used two 32 ounces Nalgene bottles that I drank from every day which helped me make sure I drank enough water.  You can also get fluids in by eating watermelon and grapes, eating popsicles, jello and drinking gatorade and ginger ale.  You can also try putting fruit into your water like orange slices or lemon slices to flavor it.  Hope this helps.

  • fab1
    fab1 Member Posts: 70
    edited June 2013

    Hi Melrose

    I just wanted to know how you are getting on with the tamoxifine?

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited June 2013

    I started taking the Tamox in September 2012.... about a month after I had my last round of chemo.  I've been doing fine on the Tamox.  Yes, I do have what I call "not so hot" hot flashes which are about the same as what I had while I was having chemo.  I haven't gained very much weight since I started taking it.  My onco told me that some gain weight at the beginning of taking Tamox because they were unable to eat certain comfort foods while having chemo.  I try to stay healthy by eating well and resting and exercising ( mainly walking).  My eating habits have not changed much since before I was diagnosed.  I was in pretty good health except for the having the bc and always have eaten a healthy diet.  With all of that being said, I know that when it came time to actually start to take the Tamox that I was a little hesistant because of the possible side effects.  However, I decided that I could deal with whatever side effect came my way and I needed to take the Tamox for myself, my family and friends and also in honor of those triple negative bc women who cannot take the Tamox because it is ineffective for them.  I don't look at the time period that I will be taking it as a sentence but rather just another maintenance drug that I need to take. That little white pill is so powerful and once one realizes that, taking it becomes much easier.

    I do have friends who have not had an easy time with the Tamox.  The mood swings and extreme hot flashes have been tough on some.  They have gotten some relief by getting a prescription of Effexor.

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited June 2013

    About eating..... I almost forgot one important thing to tell you....

    Try to avoid eating your favorite foods while on chemo.  Your taste buds may go on vacation and those favorite foods may not stay your favorite foods after you finish chemo if you get upset that they don't taste great when your taste buds are chemo-wonky.  That's not to say that you can't ever eat your favorite foods but if your taste buds are on the fritz, just hold off until they come back again.  Mine went on vacation for about a week after I had the chemo but always returned by the week before I had the next round of chemo.  ( Had chemo every 3 weeks).  Yes, I would splurge with a bite or two of a Tiramasu square from Whole Foods.

  • fab1
    fab1 Member Posts: 70
    edited June 2013

    Thank you Melrose for sharing your experience . It really helps as its so difficult to decide what to do for the best. I'm in the early stages and due to start fce-t chemo sometime in late June. I have not had children and had hope to try after chemo, however it seems I will have to take tamocifine fir two years before I can try.

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited June 2013

    fab1- Things do have a way of working out for all of us.  The first year after completing chemo is a time to allow your body to recover from the chemo and rads.  You will find that you will learn to listen to your body and do whatever you can to get healthy and stay healthy.  Yes, I do know of some who have had children several years after having chemo.  We take one day at a time and try not to get in a hurry through anything.  I know it may not seem at the time that everything will fall into place but somehow it all does and we just keep moving forward.

  • IngridJ
    IngridJ Member Posts: 121
    edited June 2013

    Hi everyone;

    Day three post chemo and feeling ok.. Yesterday, was flu like, stayed in bed and rested. Could feel my body thinking wtf...!!!

    The hydration issue and keeping things moving with prunes and sennakot helped matters. My biggest challenge; have discovered how hard it is for me to really focus on looking after myself as I have four kids and have spent the last 12 years looking after them. First real illness I've ever had.. Used to shrugging off any health issues..It's a different mindset..

    LStewart51; hope you are still feeling ok.. Day 2 so far my most lethargic..

    Thanks Melrose and Paula for advice...saw where you had 6 rounds TC Melrose; you are amazing.. So glad you've come along in this thread- thanks..

    Good luck Netter- hope it went ok.. And a 3 hour trip as well... !!

    Fab1: i know a woman who froze eggs etc and then got pregnant the normal way (twice) post chemo anyway..

    Take care everyone here...

    Ingrid

  • dlm425
    dlm425 Member Posts: 209
    edited June 2013

    Netter did they give you emendation the day before?

  • dlm425
    dlm425 Member Posts: 209
    edited June 2013

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