multi focal DCIS? ugh what to do??

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ealga
ealga Member Posts: 56

Hi ladies, this website is an absolute godsend. this is my first time posting so please forgive me if i breach any etiquette. I had a lumpectomy a few weeks ago to treat DCIS grade 3 - in 3 areas of one quadrant. 3 microcalc. clusters were discovered on a mammogram and all were found to have DCIS. Surgeon was only able to clear margins for one area and wants to go back and try to clear the other 2. She's confident about the second area, but not so much on the 3rd.  Problem is, i'm not sure i am comfortable with lumpectomy considering the fact that there are 3 different areas AND it is high grade DCIS. I'm so confused and upset. The surgeon keeps saying that my chances of survival are the same as with mastectomy, but do i really want to chance it coming back as invasive cancer when my kids are teenagers? sorry to ramble. My head is spinning. Any thoughts welcome. Sending you all healthy vibes. 

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  • proudtospin
    proudtospin Member Posts: 5,972
    edited May 2013

    sounds like me, I had 3 lumpies to get the clear margins for my DCIS

    but it worked, and 5 years later after rads and the lovely aromasin, I am still clear so get the best surgeon in your area and ask them what they think or can do

    mastectomy is a tough road and I wanted to try the lumpie route first and so far so good

  • J9W
    J9W Member Posts: 395
    edited May 2013

    Sounds like me too but I went the mastectomy route. I still worry about it coming back. I had it spread out and lumpectomy would have left me looking really strange - plus I have a family history filled with breast cancer. With MX though, I didn't have to do radiation - I was put on tamoxifen but only lasted on it for 11 months before I quit it. August will be 4  years since my dx and mx and I'm going strong.

  • ealga
    ealga Member Posts: 56
    edited May 2013

    thanks. glad to hear you are healthy now. did you have several areas of DCIS? did you ever consider mastectomy after the second lumpectomy? 

  • ealga
    ealga Member Posts: 56
    edited May 2013

    thanks. did your surgeon push for a lumpectomy? what issues did you have with tamox? 

  • J9W
    J9W Member Posts: 395
    edited May 2013

    The tamox hurt my joints and bones something awful. I am a very active person and after about 4 months on it, I couldn't walk up a flight of stair and found myself using the elevators at work all the time - it was totally getting in the way of my running, biking etc.  Plus, my thigh bones would just throb and ache. That was weird.  Plus, I found myself being very weepy while on that drug.  However, LOADS of people don't have issues with it and as a matter of fact, I have issues with taking most drugs anyway.

    My doc didn't suggest lumpectomy since it was so dispersed.

  • ballet12
    ballet12 Member Posts: 981
    edited June 2013

    Hi ealga,

    I also had three lumpectomies to clear multifocal DCIS.  Like Proud to Spin, I preferred to avoid mastectomy.  My surgeon did not lead me one way or the other, just laid out the statistics.  I was fairly certain, after the second lumpectomy without clean margins, that she would say mastectomy is the only choice, but she didn't.

    I'm still deciding on the hormonals, and meanwhile, at my first follow-up mammo yesterday they found some calcs on the other breast and I will have a stereotactic biopsy on those.  Hopefully, it's nothing.  The radiologist was apparently on the fence about whether to watch and wait vs. biopsy, and the surgeon said biopsy. So a little bit of excitement to round out the one year anniversary of last years mammo and biopsy.

  • ealga
    ealga Member Posts: 56
    edited June 2013

    thanks for this - your case seems very similar to mine. My surgeon did not recommend an MRI before my first lumpectomy because she said it would not help her diagnostically - she just wanted to get the cacner out. But now i'm going to have one before she goes in again just to see if there's anything else going on before i decide what to do next.  i am told it is opening pandora's box but it is what it is.

    How are you handling all of this follow up mentally?  are you coping well or are you in crazytown? because i worry that i would spend most of my time in the latter. thanks again. 

  • ealga
    ealga Member Posts: 56
    edited June 2013

    yikes, sounds like you didn't tolerate the drug well at all. i was told there can be real side effects. something for me to think about. how are you doing now physically? did you have recon? if so, how did that go? 

  • ballet12
    ballet12 Member Posts: 981
    edited June 2013

    Hi ealga,

    I'm not in Crazy Town at all.  I suspect it'll be benign.  I'm more concerned that they are overreaching for a small amount of calcs that are faint (although loosely-clustered).  They'll go in with the core biopsy, which frankly I found more traumatic to the breast than the three surgeries, and may not even find the calcs.  Then, they'd have to decide if they should do a surgical excision, yada yada yada.  So, it's not the pathology I'm worried about, its the procedural aspects of it.  Anyway, welcome to the club of super-surveillance.  Once you have a diagnosis, there could be lots of this. At least I know that I'm being treated at one of the "best", so I have to trust their judgment on this one.

  • ealga
    ealga Member Posts: 56
    edited June 2013

    thanks Ballet12. i'm really glad you aren't in crazy town because i sure am and it sucks! Did you get an MRI at any point in this process? i am also at one of the best hosptials and they continue to not recomend one although my first surgeon did want me to have one. 

    My dh keeps telling me that at some point I have to pick the leader of the band and try to trust they're on it.  I had no idea how much gray area there is with this sneaky disease. there is no clear cut path, is there?

  • mepic
    mepic Member Posts: 84
    edited June 2013

    Ealga, I had a multifocal area of DCIS, grade 2, that after further testing also had started to turn into invasive. Because they showed me on my MRI film how misshapen the DCIS was and how hard it was going to be to get clear margins I opted for BMX (cancer was only in my right side). After surgery I had not only 4 cm of DCIS but 9 mm IDC at one end and another 1 mm at the other so I was so glad to have done BMX. I know everyone is different but I was one of the lucky ones. I went back to work in 2 weeks (desk job), was driving after 2 weeks and even went to an amusement park one month post surgery and got on any ride I wanted to. Just 2 months post surgery and I am planning to play baseball with my family next week. I don't regret my BMX at all. Because my cancer was caught so early no chemo, no rads and Tamoxifen risks outweigh my benefit so i am "done". Oh, and the silver linings are (1) reconstruction looks great thus far and (2) I never have to wear a bra ever again, which has resulted in (3) my chronic back pain has reduced by about 75%. I know with cancer nothing is certain but I have no regrets. Just wanted to give you another point of view in case you end up having to do BMX. On these boards less people with positive experiences tend to post which I can think of many reasons for this but I decided to because for anyone who has to end up having a BMX I want them to know its not a walk in the park but it is doable and many of us who have BMX have no regrets.

  • ballet12
    ballet12 Member Posts: 981
    edited June 2013

    Hi ealga,

    Yes, I had an MRI after the first surgery, because the first surgery was actually an excisional biopsy (large--4cm).  It was from that surgical biopsy that the dcis was diagnosed.  The core biopsy had shown ADH.  That surgery was done by a general surgeon, and he routinely has MRI performed post diagnosis.  So, the MRI was done to see what else might be imaged in either that breast or the other breast.  The target breast had inflammatory changes, but more dcis couldn't be ruled out.  No other suspicious areas were found on that breast.  The contralateral breast imaging found a nodule that the first hospital wanted to biopsy (BI-RADS 4).  I transferred care to the NCI-designated facility (locating a surgeon who specializes in DCIS).  They repeated the MRI, and decided to rate the nodule a BI-RADS 3.  It was re-imaged by MRI again a couple of months ago (after 6 months), and given a BI-RADS 2, so I'm done with that.  They will not being doing MRI screening routinely for follow-up, unlike many individuals who post here, and their mammo screening is once per year, and not every six months, assuming no problems (I already have a problem). I think you should get an MRI, given the need for further surgeries to get clean margins and the multiple sites.

  • LAstar
    LAstar Member Posts: 1,574
    edited June 2013

    I also had multi-focal DCIS and my first lumpectomy had unclear margins. I had an MRI that showed the DCIS was more extensive than originally thought. I tried again with a second lumpectomy but it was also unsuccessful. The MRI indicated suspicious shots on the right side, so I opted for BMX. The final pathology report proved that those spots on the right were false-positives, but I'm glad to not have to monitor it every 6 months and move on. BMX is not so bad. While the odds of survival are the same, the recurrence risk is very different. I was shocked to read that the recurrence risk was as high as 22% after lump/rads (but after MX ~1%). Also, grade 3 DCIS had a higher chance of becoming invasive. I highly agree that an MRI would be useful right now. My BS didn't think it would be, but he changed his mind. Best wishes on finding your treatment path. This is a trying time! It does get better!

  • ealga
    ealga Member Posts: 56
    edited June 2013

    Thank you all for your responses - all very helpful. I have a repeat mammo and the MRI on Friday afternoon, so hopefully next week i will know more. I may be back with more questions. Thank you all so much and i'm very glad to hear you are all healthy now. I'm trying to focus on THAT!Smile

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