Could this be early/mild LE? On my "good" side...

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indenial
indenial Member Posts: 504
edited June 2014 in Lymphedema

I had BMX just over 2 months ago, 4 nodes removed on the left and have been doing all blood pressures/IVs/etc. on the right.

I'm finding on & off that I have kind of a fullness in my hand/fingers on my right side. It kind of feels swollen, but I am not the type to ever actually swell up (for any reason) and it's not at all visible. I can feel it though, like a tightness and achiness, and it seems to happen more often when I've had lots of blood draws on that side or overdone it with daily activities. 

It's hard to tell because it's my dominant hand, plus I already had some carpal-tunnel-type issues for the last few years so I might just be imagining things! I also thought that not only would LE be more likely on the SNB side, but also higher up my arm, not in my hand?? Is this true, or a misconception?

I did meet with the LE therapist once after surgery and am supposed to go back once more sometime in the next month or two so she can teach me some lymph massage... so I will ask her too if warranted. Also, she prescribed a compression sleeve for my left arm (just in case I ever need it) but I'm wondering if I should be getting a hand gauntlet too, and/or if I should be getting one for the right side instead/in addition, or can I use it on both sides interchangably (my measurements were symmetrical)...

A bit overwhelmed by all the LE info for some reason & can't quite wrap my head around it!

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  • coraleliz
    coraleliz Member Posts: 1,523
    edited May 2013

    I had a BMX with nodes taken from both sides. My BS prescibed sleeves/gauntlets for flying. Mine are interchangable, since both my arms are similarly sized & require the same amount of compression. It is my understanding that you should wear a gauntlet with your sleeve. Ask your LE therapist.

  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited May 2013

    indenial

    Sorry to hear you are having these concerning issues.  LE  sure is complex.

    We have ladies here who are truly 'experts'  that I am sure will weight in on this.  I wont comment on the  " good side" because I am just not sure.

    However , you asked :
    ...." but also higher up my arm, not in my hand?? Is this true, or a misconception?"

    Mine *may* be high up in the arm.  IF SO, I sure dont notice swelling there though there may be a little.  I noticed it when my wedding ring didnt fit...the hand, not the arm.  I wear a sleeve and glove.

    No matter what, when you get your sleeve - yes, you definitely want hand protection ...a  gauntlet .

    As I said   I think someone else will come on with more answers for you. In the meantime, check ouf this fabulous website created by some of the ' expert ladies' here :  http://stepup-speakout.org/What_%20is%20_Lymphedema.htm

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited May 2013

    Inde, welcome!

    We sure do hear you on the difficulty of trying to wrap your mind around the complexities of LE. It works best to take one issue at a time.

    1. Never wear a compression sleeve without some kind of hand protection, either a glove (where only the fingertips are uncovered) or a gauntlet (which is a fingerless glove). The reason is that when you have any swelling without compressing the hand, it can get trapped below the cuff of the sleeve in your hand, where it's harder to get out.

    2. If your arms are the same size, the sleeves are interchangable, though you may want to have two since both arms are at risk. Even prophylactic mastectomy creates a LE risk (in fact, my LE started on my prophylactic side, and remains hardest to handle on that side--no nodes purposely removed, but there's still scar tissue and just general trauma).

    3. Training of LE therapists can vary widely. You want one with at least 135 hours of specifically LE training beyond her/his PT or OT certification. Here's how to find one near you:
    http://www.stepup-speakout.org/Finding_a_Qualified_Lymphedema_Therapist.htm

    4. LE can start anywhere in the affected quadrant (in your case and mine with bilateral surgery, anywhere above the waist and below the neck, either side). It can stay in one small place or affect the entire quadrant, so you want to see a therapist soon for evaluation and possible treatment. Trust yourself on this: you're not imagining things, and you need to get them checked out. Fullness, achiness, tightness, or tingling are all indications of early-stage LE. Treating it promptly means it will remain easier to treat and control.

    5. You'll want to consider prohibiting blood pressure, blood draws, IVs and injections in either arm. Many of us use our feet for blood draws, hips or thighs for injections, foot or neck for IVs and lower leg for blood pressure. Your call!Wink

    Please do let us know what you discover. Be well!
    Binney

  • indenial
    indenial Member Posts: 504
    edited May 2013

    Ahhhh you were right, I'm not imagining it! I woke up this morning & the swelling is (barely) visible, and my hand won't quite close all the way. :(

    Now what??? 

    I'm in the middle of chemo & don't have a port (only 2 rounds left though). Wondering if I should have the rest of my IV's on my left ("bad" but feels good!) side. I don't think foot or neck IV's are an option but I can check (although to be honest that really makes me squeamish!!) 

    Will this go away on it's own? I will make an appointment with the LE therapist hopefully sometime this month...

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited May 2013

    indenial, do think about getting a neck IV for your treatments. Think about it-- you may well have LE in your non-node removal side, which would strongly suggest you're predisposed to get LE.  So why tempt fate and have an IV put in your 'bad' side? I've never had a neck IV, but I definitely recall reading in posts here that women who have done that comment afterward that it wasn't bad at all. 

    In a perfect world, you'd find a well qualified LE therapist and get in to see him/her before your next chemo, so you'd have an expert opinion on whether this is actually LE, and a strong voice in your corner for a neck or foot IV if that's what he/she recommends.  But the world is not perfect and getting that appointment asap is very hard to do.  On the stepup site that Binney linked to above, there's a wonderful page of information for healthcare providers, and there's a downloadable excerpt of it you can print and bring to your next chemo appointment.  These pages explain the importance of taking LE seriously and respecting appropriate precautions. They were written by a doctor, for her peers.

    If it's LE, it won't go away on its own, but the sooner you start managing it, the less intrusive it will be on your life.

    Keep us posted!

    Carol

  • cookiegal
    cookiegal Member Posts: 3,296
    edited May 2013

    gosh it all just sucks!

    I think it is possible your LE is on your non node side, the breast surgery impacts the lymphs.

    However it is possible that because you over used your good side it swelled from a strain or mild injury.

    That happened to me once.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2013

    My MAst.'s were about a year apart. In a lot of cases my prophy side is still WORSE than my BC side. It got such a hard time dealing with  the chemo, anesthetics and other inputs, numerous blood draws, blood pressure taken. The I started getting rashes, with every needle placement, even blood draws. When I had 2nd Mast. I got a seroma and the swelling has never completely gone away. I still have a lump in my bicept I believe was caused by BP. So you see, our prophy sides are VERY much at risk. I have little choice but use my foot and leg for needle placement and BP. It can be a nightmare dealing with the medical profession when youre trying to protect yourself from them as well as get help from them at the same time.

  • indenial
    indenial Member Posts: 504
    edited May 2013

    Well I spoke to the LE therapist (couldn't get an appointment for a couple weeks) and she didn't think it was LE. She said she had never heard of someone swelling up after a blood draw. Hmm.

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited May 2013

    Indenial, I am trained as a LE therapist, and clearly have seen arms/ hands swell after blood draws, IVs and blood pressures.



    I just had a hysterectomy due to tamoxifen induced endometrial precancerous changes, and my LE arm was wrapped, but my good arm blew up from a blown IV. My LE therapist came to the hospital and worked on it and its down, thank goodness.



    LE can be a systemic, full body problem, and a mx sets you up as does chemo.



    It's at risk, and clinically swelling, so IMO I'd avoid traumatizing it if you can.



    And having been trained as a LE therapist, the training is 135 hours, and people really have to keep learning and not get dogmatic. There was a PT in my class whose hospital pushed her into it, but she's so professional, she did a great job, asks for advice on tough cases and wants to be my study buddy for LANA. Quality and knowledge varies.



    Let us know how you make out

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