New study finds LE is systemic

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kira66715
kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
edited June 2014 in Lymphedema

There are studies out there to indicate that the lymphatic pump can fail in other parts of the body than the affected arm--likely in some people, not all. I should have titled it LE CAN be systemic.

This is the latest study to document that the good arm can lymphatic pump failure, it's a free article to read:

here is the information on how to access the videos, let me know if there are any problems with them:
Here are the username and password for the cording videos,

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22741072

Lymphatic abnormalities in the normal contralateral arms of subjects with breast cancer-related lymphedema as assessed by near-infrared fluorescent imaging.


Abstract

Current treatment of unilateral breast cancer-related lymphedema (BCRL) is only directed to the afflicted arm. Near-infrared fluorescent imaging (NIRF) of arm lymphatic vessel architecture and function in BCRL and control subjects revealed a trend of increased lymphatic abnormalities in both the afflicted and unafflicted arms with increasing time after lymphedema onset. These pilot results show that BCRL may progress to affect the clinically "normal" arm, and suggest that cancer-related lymphedema may become a systemic, rather than local, malady. These findings support further study to understand the etiology of cancer-related lymphedema and lead to better diagnostics and therapeutics directed to the systemic lymphatic system.

There have been other studies that have reached the same conclusion. AW Stanton published one.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19302022

Recent advances in breast cancer-related lymphedema of the arm: lymphatic pump failure and predisposing factors.


Source

Division of Cardiac & Vascular Sciences, Dermatology, St George's Hospital Medical School, University of London, London, United Kingdom.


Abstract

Axillary surgery for breast cancer may be followed, months to years later, by chronic arm lymphedema. A simple 'stopcock' mechanism (reduced lymph drainage from the entire limb through surviving lymphatics) does not explain many clinical aspects, including the delayed onset and selective sparing of some regions, e.g., hand. Quantitative lymphoscintigraphy reveals that lymph drainage is slowed in the subcutis, where most of the edema lies, and in the subfascial muscle compartment, which normally has much higher lymph flows than the subcutis. Although the muscle does not swell significantly, the impaired muscle drainage correlates with the severity of arm swelling, indicating a likely key role for muscle lymphatic function. A new method, lymphatic congestion lymphoscintigraphy, showed that the edema is associated with a reduced contractility of the arm lymphatics; the weaker the active lymphatic pump, the greater the swelling. Delayed lymphatic pump failure may result from chronic raised afterload, as in hypertensive cardiac failure, and may account for the delayed onset of swelling. A further novel finding is that lymph flow is raised in both the subcutis and muscle of both arms in postsurgical breast patients who later developed breast cancer-related lymphedema (BCRL), compared with patients who did not develop BCRL. This new observation indicates a predisposition to BCRL in some women. Further evidence for predisposing abnormalities is the finding of lymphatic abnormalities in the contralateral (nonswollen) arm in women with established BCRL. Such predisposing factors could explain why some women develop BCRL after sentinel node biopsy, whereas others do not after clearance surgery. Future research must focus on prospective observations made from before surgery until BCRL develops.





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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2013

    Thankyou Kira for posting this. I havent followed your links yet, but I can see right now, this is another article I will be taking to my LEist. Binney put me onto some links some time back which showed recent studies that the "other arm" was at risk for LE. It was extremely timely as I was able to show these to my BS when I was firm in my stance against having sticks in both arms.

    In my case I have "suspected LE" in my non BC side, from my prophy mast. and/or because the hard time my non BC side arm got dealing Chemo bloodpressure Blood draws and EVERYTHING else. 

    With a prophy mast. we know that a few lymph nodes can still (inadvertantly) be taken. This is another thing that might just help tip the balance into the unfavourable bin.


  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited May 2013

    Thanks from me as well kira!

    I have had some achiness in my R arm, and refuse all BP and needle pricks ( Just today at my GYN!)  drs look at me like I am crazy.  After a recent blood test, I decided NOT to have the breast MRI <just had mammo 1st yesterday>  solely because of the IV.


    I feel like you have confirmed my concerns (  which isnt necessarily good   :>)
    THX

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2013

    Ooh yeah Purple they DO tend to look at you like youre crazy....don't you just love it when they do this? Huh and what for? to single you out enough to make you feel guilty so you'll give in to them? You stand your ground! If you don't want a stick then DONT. I think this issue is appalling when we have to "fight the doctors off" and some of us literally!

    I don't ever want another MRI. The tracer dye gave me such a nasty rash in my "unaffected" arm I had to have a course of Prednisone to fix it Grrrrrr.

  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited May 2013

    kira

    May I ask your opinion about this :

     A new method, lymphatic congestion lymphoscintigraphy, showed that the edema is associated with a reduced contractility of the arm lymphatics; the weaker the active lymphatic pump, the greater the swelling.

    Perhaps it is layperson ignornace, but when I see the term " reduced contractility" it does make me wonder if more of us should be wearing our compression garments sunup to sundown .  Thoughts ?

    *Edited to add:
    Additionally, it raises some concern about MLD since the " good arm' may be pre-disposed and directing more fluid there just might overload and tax the system.  Are these reasonable conclusions to consider, if not ' draw "?  (Not that there is a darn  thing we can do about it !)

  • cookiegal
    cookiegal Member Posts: 3,296
    edited May 2013

    I have been wondering about this..I kind of think my normal arm looks puffy sometimes.

    But it's TERRIFYING!

    Do I start turning down blood draws. I just had some injections in my good arm for a shoulder problem.

    Between this and the study showing younger women should have sx in 6 weeks...eeeeeek!!!!!!

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited May 2013

    Cookie, if you're doing MLD that directs the lymph to the "good" side, maybe talk to your therapist/doc about moving it south to your abdomen instead--with the proper abdominal node clearing, of course.

    As for the shoulder problem, if you were having pain with that and the injections helped, then that's more likely to ease the LE problem than make it worse. Pain draws lymph fluid to the area, so relieving it calms things down.

    Keep us posted!
    Gentle hugs,
    Binney

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