Lymphedema Research on Acupuncture

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Hildy910
Hildy910 Member Posts: 319
edited June 2014 in Lymphedema

I am on a mailing list that sends me BC-related research findings, and today received a couple lymphedema-related ones that I thought were worth sharing. I know there is a separate section of the site for research discussion, but wanted to post here because it pertains to this subforum most particularly. I'm happy to continue doing so if you all think it would be helpful. 

With the caveat that this has a very small study population, I thought this was of interest: 

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/cncr.28093/abstract

The other interesting one came as a PDF, so I don't have a link, but the title and authors were: 



"Neither Heavy nor Light Load Resistance Exercise Acutely Exacerbates Lymphedema in Breast Cancer Survivor"

Prue Cormie, PhD1, Daniel A. Galvão, PhD1, Nigel Spry, MBBS, PhD1,2,3, and Robert U. Newton, PhD1 

Happy to forward the pdf if you are interested--just shoot me a PM. 




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  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited April 2013

    Thank you, Hildy.  I'll send a PM now to ask to receive the pdf.

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited April 2013

    Thanks, Hildy!Smile

    Carol, the abstract is here:
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23439658

    The article I downloaded by PDF after a google search was another risk reduction myth-buster rant called "Setting the Record Straight: Exercise and Lymphoedema" that was more than a bit over the top. Just don't get this agenda. Exercise is of course helpful--for a lot more than LE--but when exercise pros skip over the top of the precautions to make such wide claims we're back to Square One with educating doctors (not to mention patients).

    So I'm grateful all over again for your work on the exercise documents for both patients and professionals. You rock!

    The acupuncture study concludes that it may be helpful for women who have access to no other therapy interventions, which I consider a strange conclusion indeed. It's unfortunately true that there are too many women with little or no access to treatment, but then where are they going to get acupuncture? Better to focus on improving provisions for treatment for everyone who needs it. And on that front we have a LONG way to go!
    Binney

  • Hildy910
    Hildy910 Member Posts: 319
    edited April 2013

    Just to clarify, the PDF I was sent is not entitled "Setting the Record Straight: Exercise and Lymphoedema," but rather is the full study of the abstract Binney referenced above.  I'm not sure what the connection is between the two, but now of course am curious. The study may well be very bad. I am not at all a research expert, but I knew people here are, so thought it might be worth submitting to the wisdom of the LE crowd. 

    There were a couple more LE-oriented ones that came through today as well. One on LE awareness, and one on vaccines and LE. I sent the whole lot to Carol, who I suspect will know far more than I do about how useful they all are. 

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited April 2013

    Definitely worth it, Hildy! And much appreciated! We thrive on these kinds of discussions here.

    I wasn't referring to the study as being bad--I haven't even read it yet. Just that the spin-offs from studies like this get out of hand.

    Some people take off on their "myth busting" agendas by overstating the findings and underemphasizing the protections that should be in place. For some reason I don't understand, ever since Katy Schmitz's first weight-lifting exercise study was published there's been a push in some quarters to debunk risk reduction measures. I can appreciate the enthusiasm, but the direction it takes is dangerous. Too often our health-care providers read these kinds of rants (like I found so easily) and don't do the hard work of analyzing the study itself, and then they tell their patients to go out there and exercise without offering any guidelines for easing into it. Then when LE develops, it's a nasty surprise. We've also had problems with some employers hearing of these things and then telling their employees with LE that they should be able to lift any weight and so remove job protections that should be in place. Too many people with their own agendas!

    Please do feel welcome to keep us informed, Hildy.Smile
    Hugs,
    Binney

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited April 2013

    Hildy, thank you so much for the studies you sent.  This evening I'll be reading them, and while traveling tomorrow for work.  Then I'll return here with my thoughts.  At the moment, I'm on my way to work out with my trainer, and you can bet I'll be asking him a few questions. I took a quick peek, and the exercise study Hildy sent for us to look at tested 'low load, high rep (up to 20 reps)' exercises compared to 'high load, low rep (6-8 reps only, but with heavier weights) exercises.  In my humble opinion, there's little 'load' difference between the two approaches, so I'm not sure what they were trying to prove there.  The follow-up was incredibly short.  Sleeve wear was optional, although a woman had to be consistent with or without, throughout the study.  Anyway, I'll opine after I've had a chance to look more closely, but as Binney said, the abstract conclusion leads one to believe we can just toss caution to the wind.  Well, I hope 'caution' isn't very heavy...

    Carol

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited April 2013

    Today I read the studies Hildy sent me, and two study topics were particularly interesting: acupuncture and weight training.

    Acupuncture: There were two studies, and a variety of related articles and editorials, about acupuncture for individuals with LE. The studies' intervention periods (i.e. the weeks of acupuncture treatment) were very short and had small participation, and follow-up was just a few months. Both studies were careful to acknowledge that more rigorous research is needed, and indeed one study seems to be an exploratory study that was used to define parameters for a random controlled trial of acupuncture as LE treatment, for which enrollment is finishing up, at Memorial Sloan Kettering. In both studies, the conclusion is that administering acupuncture does not provoke any adverse LE reactions (although I think one study always administered the needles in a non-affected part of the body). Furthermore, one study noted improved quality of life from the treatment, and the other went so far as to observe measurable swelling reductions, and these reductions seemed to hold true for several weeks after treatment.  They measured only at two spots on the arm, and I don't recall any way the researchers had to control for lots of different potential LE influences and treatment factors during the weeks after acupuncture, so that study is far from perfect.  My take: it's very encouraging, and even if the random controlled trial does not find LE treatment results, preliminary results suggest that individuals who wish to use acupuncture to treat other conditions can probably do so safely.  I'll look forward to what is learned from the larger trial, and if they show that there's a lymphedema treatment benefit from acupuncture, that will probably prompt more follow-up research, and wouldn't it be great to have another tool in our LE toolbox?

    The weight-lifting study was very small (17 women with LE after BC) and very short. They taught the women five upper-body weight lifting exercises before the official study started, and then half the women were asked to lift very heavy weights with just a few repetitions (6-8), while the other women lifted lighter weights for more repetitions (up to 20).  They checked for any LE response after 24 hours, and then again 72 hours after the exercise session.  Then, they waited 10-12 days, and the two groups traded exercise type, so those who had lifted heavier weights now lifted lighter weights with more reps, and vice versa. They were checked again at 24 and 72 hours.  Sleeve wear was optional, and only 3 women wore sleeves during their exercise sessions.  For both forms of exercise (light weights/high reps and heavy weights/low reps), the study observed no 'significant' LE impact, using bioimpedence measures, circumference measures, and reported symptoms. 

    The study purpose was to find out if lifting light/hi rep vs. heavy/low rep makes a difference in the body's response to weight lifting, and they found no significant responses at all. That's their conclusion; they published a person-by-person graph that shows each woman's individual responses, and I did not take the time to study these to see the range of individual outcomes.  I'm willing to accept that the women's arms did not, indeed, flare significantly after either type of exercise, so this is encouraging and interesting. However, they note that the amount of weight each woman lifted was individualized, and the study was done with an exercise physiologist who no doubt customized the amount of weight according to each person's ability to tolerate.  Lifting light/hi reps and lifting heavy/fewer reps are both ways to work a musle to exhaustion, but I suspect that 'exhaustion' didn't happen in this study, because it would take more than one or two sessions to figure out what that maximum weight could be for each woman.  The authors acknowledge that more study is needed.  

    What I do find interesting in the weight lifting study is that they are questioning the need / PAL recommendation to start at the lightest possible weight when starting a lifting program. This study points out that it is well understood that the heavy/few-rep method builds muscle faster than the light/more-reps approach, and in effect they were trying to see if there's any difference in lymphedema response using one method or the other; and they found no difference. But what the study cannot do is to generalize its results to the population of women with LE after breast cancer.

    To say that 'Neither Heavy nor Light Load Resistance Exercise Acutely Exacerbates Lymphedema in Breast Cancer Survivor' (the title of the study report) is a very, very broad statement after testing just one session of heavy and one session of light lifting, on just 17 people! By 'acute' I think they mean 'immediate', so fair enough on the results of the women studied for that very short exercise experience during that tiny window of time. I do think that the PAL guidelines are conservative, but that's a very sound approach considering that using very light weights and working up slowly to heavier weight goes get us our strength results eventually, and few women will have an exercise physiologist or certified trainer at their side every single time they pick up a dumbbell or sit at a weight machine.

    Binney's concern that the study title invites generalization and dangerous advice is spot on.  Which is too bad, considering that what the study showed does indeed invite some further research to see if the helpful PAL guidelines can be tinkered with, safely, to meet the needs of lots of women who would love a speedier journey back to athletic-caliber strength, for sport and for daily work and life. But for now, I sure wouldn't recommend picking up 40 lbs or launching into a pushup or a plank or a downward dog, unless you've taken the slow-but-sure route to build the strength you need to do so!

    I'll issue a disclaimer that I did not take notes while reading, so my discussion points here are from memory, and it's possible I misstate a study detail or two. I read on my tiny laptop on an airplane and am typing on a tiny keyboard with a small screen...not so simple to re-read studies as I add my two cents about them here.

    Hildy, thanks so much for sending me these studies!

    Carol

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited April 2013

    Oh, and the vaccines-and-LE article was interesting, but it reported only on two women whose LE was seemingly triggered after getting a vaccine. One got the shot in her at-risk arm, and the other woman was vaccinated in her unaffected side. These are anecdotal reports and the writers' conclusion was....drum roll...more study needed! They do point out that such additional study might be unethical or at minimum, the prospect of getting vaccinations in an at-risk arm just might discourage study enrollment.

    Not sure what to make of this one!

  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited April 2013

     Sleeve wear was optional...

    What ???!

    Sorry I am reading this so late- I find this to be the most disturning part of the study!  Talk about throwing caution to the wind- First, do no harm!  (grrrrr!)  Umpteen ladies with DX LE lifting weights and not wearing compression ?! wrong thread...grrrrr!

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited April 2013

    Purple, I do wonder what kinds of risk counseling, if any, they gave when explaining protocols to the study participants.  I'm surprised any woman would want to lift weights without her sleeve and hand protection, especially when the whole idea of the study was to see if lifting to muscle exhaustion provoked swelling.

    I'm convinced that wearing the sleeve offers protection, but it also helps speed up the muscle and strength development, because the muscle is working against the resistance of the sleeve. That's my experience --LE arm is notably stronger than my other, dominant arm, and you can even see the difference in the biceps size. My trainer observes the added strength, so it's not my imagination. Debra Cordner Carson, an elite CrossFit athlete who competes internationally has said the same thing about her LE leg.  No study here, of course, but that's two anecdotal cases to suggest there are more benefits to wearing the sleeve while exercising than 'just' protection.

  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited April 2013

    *ACUPUNCTURE BEADS
    I came across this on Dr Oz- looks very interesting,.  I wonder  where the lymphatic system would appear on the ear/ body part in terms of these beads.  I'd love to see a study of LE and these beads done.

    http://www.doctoroz.com/videos/relieve-stress-acupuncture-beads#cmpid=raoz0411?eid=1010682324&memberid=13423377

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