DCIS unilateral v.s. bilateral? Struggling

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lylyjenny
lylyjenny Member Posts: 30

Hi,

I'll introduce myself again. I'm 24 and was disgnosed with low grade DCIS. My unilateral mastectomy was scheduled on next Thursday. But now I'm sad and struggling between UMX and BMX. I really don't know which to choose... I have fibroadenoma in the good breast.

I'll talk to the surgeon tomorrow, but I hope to get some advice from here before seeing the doctor. Thanks!

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  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited April 2013

    It's a difficult decision.  I had a UMX - that was definitely the right decision for me.  I just couldn't see myself removing a healthy breast, and I was concerned about the loss of breast and nipple sensations.  The difference for me is that I was 49 at the time of my diagnosis, so my lifetime risk to get BC again would likely have been lower than your's is, since you are only 24.  

    Normally with DCIS we don't get to see an oncologist until after surgery, but in your case it might be helpful if you ask for a referral to an oncologist prior to your surgery, if you don't already have that set up.  And oncologist is the best doctor to help you assess what your risk of cancer might be for your other breast.  That information can be very helpful with your decision.

    The following might also help. This is the list of considerations that I put together quite some time ago for someone who trying to decide between a lumpectomy, mastectomy and bilateral mastectomy. I've posted this many times now and have continued to refine it and add to it, thanks to great input from many others.  Some women have gone through the list and decided to have a lumpectomy, others have chosen a single mastectomy and others have opted for a bilateral mastectomy. So the purpose is simply to help women figure out what's right for them - both in the short term but more importantly, over the long term. 

    I realize that in your case you already know that you will be having a single MX so now the decision left to you is whether to have a UMX and a BMX. I was in the same position. But in the list below I’ve left in the info about a lumpectomy vs. a MX because it might help explain a bit about what to expect with the MX. 

    Now, onto the list of considerations:

    • Do you want to avoid radiation? If your DCIS isn't near the chest wall, then it may be possible to avoid radiation if you have a mastectomy. This is a big selling point for many women who choose to have mastectomies. However you should be aware that there is no guarantee that radiation may not be necessary even if you have a mastectomy, if some DCIS is found near the chest wall. Radiation might also be recommended if it turns out that you have a large area of invasive cancer in addition to the DCIS and/or if it turns out that you are node positive (which is only possible if you have invasive cancer).
    • Do you want to avoid Tamoxifen? For those who are ER positive who have DCIS, this may be possible if you have a mastectomy and particularly if you have a bilateral mastectomy. Tamoxifen provides 3 benefits: 1) It reduces the risk of local recurrence; 2) it reduces the risk of the development of a new breast cancer in either breast; and 3) it reduces the risk of a distant recurrence. For most women, a mastectomy will reduce the first risk to a low enough level that the benefit from Tamox will be minimal. For most women, a bilateral mastectomy will reduce the second risk to a low enough level that the benefit from Tamox will be minimal. The third benefit, protection against a distant recurrence (i.e. mets), isn’t a factor for women who have DCIS, since by definition DCIS cannot move beyond the breast.  However for those who have invasive cancer, this is a crucial benefit and is not affected at all by the type of surgery. So if you have an invasive tumor that is ER+, usually Tamoxifen (or an AI) will be recommended whether you have a lumpectomy, mastectomy or a BMX. However if you have DCIS (and therefore face virtually no risk of mets) or a very small non-aggressive invasive tumor (and therefore face only a very small risk of mets), it may be possible to pass on Tamox with little change in your long-term prognosis.
    • Does the length of the surgery and the length of the recovery period matter to you? For most women, a lumpectomy is a relatively easy surgery and recovery. After a lumpectomy, radiation usually is given for 6 weeks. A mastectomy is a longer, more complex surgery and the recovery period is longer. How do you feel about going through a longer surgery and a longer, more restricted recovery period?
    • If you have a lumpectomy, how will you deal with the side effects from Rads?  For most patients the side effects of rads are not as difficult as they expected, but most women do experience some side effects. You should be prepared for some temporary discomfort, fatigue and skin irritation, particularly towards the end of your rads cycle. Most side effects go away a few weeks after treatment ends but if you have other health problems, particularly heart or lung problems, you may be at risk for more serious side effects. This can be an important consideration and should be discussed with your doctor. 
    • If you have a mastectomy, do you plan to have reconstruction? If so, be aware that reconstruction, even "immediate" reconstruction, is usually a long process - many months - and most often requires more than one surgery. Some women have little discomfort during the reconstruction process but other women find the process to be very difficult - there is no way to know until you are going through it. Are you prepared for this?
    • If you have a MX or BMX, how will you deal with possible complications with reconstruction? Some lucky women breeze through reconstruction but unfortunately, many have complications. These may be short-term and/or fixable or they may be long-term and difficult to fix. Common problems include ripples and indentations and unevenness. You may have lingering side effects (muscle pain, spasms, itching, etc.) on one side or both. If you don't end up with symmetry (symmetry is not a sure thing by any means, even if you have a bilateral mastectomy with reconstruction done on both sides at the same time), will you regret the decision to remove your breasts or your healthy breast? Are you prepared for the possibility of revision surgery?
    • If you have MX or BMX, how you do feel about your body image and how will this be affected by a mastectomyA reconstructed breast is not the same as a real breast. Some women love their reconstructed breasts while some women hate them.  Most probably fall in-between. Reconstructed breasts usually looks fine in clothing but may not appear natural when naked. They may not feel natural or move naturally, particularly if you have implant reconstruction.  If you do choose to have a mastectomy, one option that will help you get a more natural appearance is a nipple sparing mastectomy (NSM). Not all breast surgeons are trained to do NSMs so your surgeon might not present this option to you. Ask your surgeon about it if you are interested and if he/she doesn’t do nipple sparing mastectomies, it may be worth the effort to find a surgeon who does do NSMs in order to see if this option is available for you (your DCIS can’t be right up near the nipple).
    • If you have a MX or BMX, how do you feel about losing the natural feeling in your breast(s) and nipple(s)? Are your nipples important to you sexually? A mastectomy will change your body for the rest of your life and you have to be prepared for that. Keep in mind as well that even if you have a nipple sparing mastectomy, except in rare cases (and except with a new untested reconstruction procedure) the most feeling that can be retained in your nipples is about 20% - the nerves that affect 80% of nipple sensation are by necessity cut during the surgery and cannot be reconnected. Any breast/nipple feeling you regain will be surface feeling only (or phantom sensations, which are actually quite common and feel very real); there will be no feeling inside your breast, instead your breast will feel numb. For some, loss of breast/nipple sensation is a small price to pay; for others, it has a huge impact on their lives.
    • If you have a MX or BMX, how will you deal emotionally with the loss of your breast(s)? Some women are glad that their breast(s) is gone because it was the source of the cancer, but others become angry that cancer forced them to lose their breast(s). How do you think you will feel? Don't just consider how you feel now, as you are facing the breast cancer diagnosis, but try to think about how you will feel in a year and in a few years, once this diagnosis, and the fear, is well behind you.  Keep in mind as well that most women are pleased with their decision to have a mastectomy or bilateral when it's first done - they are relieved that the cancer is gone and the surgery is over and in most cases it wasn't nearly as bad as they feared. For women who are affected by the loss, the real impact usually doesn't hit until many months or even years later. That’s why trying to think ahead to a time when this diagnosis is long behind you is important.
    • If you have a MX or BMX, will removal of your breast(s) help you move on from having had cancer or will it hamper your ability to move onWill you feel that the cancer is gone because your breast(s) is gone? Or will the loss of your breast(s) be a constant reminder that you had breast cancer?
    • If you have a lumpectomy, how will you deal emotionally with your 6 month or annual mammos and/or MRIs?  For the first year or two after diagnosis, most women get very stressed when they have to go for their screenings. The good news is that usually this fear fades over time. However some women choose to have a BMX in order to avoid the anxiety of these checks.
    • Do you know what your doctors estimate your recurrence risk will be if you have a lumpectomy and radiation? Is this risk level one that you can live with or one that scares you? Will you live in constant fear or will you be satisfied that you've reduced your risk sufficiently and not worry about it except when you have your 6 month or annual screenings? If you will always worry, then having a mastectomy might be a better option for you; many women get peace of mind by having a mastectomy.  Be aware however that while a mastectomy will likely significantly reduce your local (in the breast area) recurrence risk, a recurrence or the development of a new BC is still possible after a mastectomy.  Lots to consider.
    • Do you know your risk to get BC in your other (the non-cancer) breast? Is this a risk level that scares you? Or is this a risk level that you can live with? Keep in mind that DCIS cannot recur in the contralateral breast so your current diagnosis doesn't impact your other breast. However, anyone who's been diagnosed with BC one time is at higher risk to be diagnosed again and this may be compounded if you have other risk factors. Find out your risk level from your oncologist. When you talk to him or her, determine if BRCA genetic testing might be appropriate for you based on your family history of cancer and/or your age and/or your ethnicity (those of Ashkenazi Jewish descent are at higher risk). Those who are BRCA positive are very high risk to get BC and for many women, a positive BRCA test result is a compelling reason to have a bilateral mastectomy. On the other hand, for many women a negative BRCA test result helps with the decision to have a lumpectomy or single mastectomy rather than a bilateral. Talk to your oncologist. Don't assume that you know what your risk is; you may be surprised to find that it's much higher than you think, or much lower than you think (my risk was much less than I would ever have thought).
    • How will you feel if you have a lumpectomy or single MX and at some point in the future (maybe in 2 years or maybe in 30 years) you get BC again, either a recurrence in the same breast or a new BC in either breast? Will you regret your decision and wish that you'd had a bilateral mastectomy? Or will you be grateful for the extra time that you had with your breasts, knowing that you made the best decision at the time with the information that you had?
    • How will you feel if you have a bilateral mastectomy and no cancer or high risk conditions are found in the other breast? Will you question (either immediately or years in the future) why you made the decision to have the bilateral? Or will you be satisfied that you made the best decision with the information you had?

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    I hope that this list is helpful. The thing to remember is that everyone's experience with surgery is different, everyone's pro vs. con list is different and everyone's emotions are different. Additionally, there is so much in this situation that you can't control..... how you feel about your breasts after reconstruction.....  whether you have pain from your mastectomy or reconstruction or not...  whether the fears you have now, just after you've been diagnosed, will still be as strong in 6 months or 2 years..., etc..  So don't make your decision based on what someone else did or the experience that someone else had or how someone else felt.  Make the decision based on knowing yourself.  Do what's best for you.  Good luck with the decision!

  • lylyjenny
    lylyjenny Member Posts: 30
    edited April 2013

    Hi Beesie,

    I have a ocologist already. When he talked to me about DCIS, I made my UMX decision immediately. I felt it was the right decision and I still want one natural breast.

    However, after reading those posts on Stage IV and mets, I was really scared and hope to remove everything that could possibly cause BC in the future... Maybe I shouldn't read those posts....

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited April 2013

    No, you probably shouldn't read those posts!  

    The oncologist's job is also to assess your future risk - both your risk of recurrence and your risk to develop a new primary diagnosis - and discuss with you what your options might be to reduce this risk or ensure effective monitoring.  So the oncologist is the right person to talk to about your 'healthy' breast as well, and what your risk level is to be diagnosed again in that breast. 

  • kap
    kap Member Posts: 73
    edited April 2013

    Lylyjenny,

    Sadly, no one can make the decision for you. You have to do what feels right for you. I chose ns-ss bmx although I only had dcis in one. I didn't want to have to worry about cancer in my other breast and felt that the reconstruction would be easier...I wanted my breasts to match! As it turned out, I made the right decision as the pathology report showed cancerous cells in my "healthy" breast. Go with your gut and don't look back. Stay strong. There are wonderful people on this site.

    Karrie

  • lylyjenny
    lylyjenny Member Posts: 30
    edited April 2013

    Kap, thanks for sharing your experience. I think I'll go with BMX, for the peace of mind. I talked to my boyfriend, and he is really supportive. Of course, both of us want the natural breast, but he said he wound like me to be mentally happy no matter how many breasts I'm removing.

    One last thing is to talk to my surgeon. My surgery was scheduled to be next Thursday, I don't know whether I can still change it to BMX.

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited April 2013

    Jenny, 7 hours ago you said that when you made the decision to have the UMX, "felt it was the right decision and I still want one natural breast."  Now, 6 hours later, you are saying that you want to have the BMX.  From the sounds of it, it seems that you've changed your mind in part because of what you've been reading here. 

    Please don't make your decision based on what happened to someone else. What happened to someone else has absolutely no bearing on what will happen to you.  

    And please don't make your decision based on fear.  You've just been diagnosed with BC so of course you are scared and you fear that this might happen again.  Sitting here today, you feel that you'll do anything you can to avoid this ever happening again.  That's a normal reaction.  But this fear will fade.  However the implications of your decision, if you decide to have a BMX because of this fear, will be with you for the rest of your life.

    It may be that a BMX is the right decision for you - I'm not trying to talk you out of it.  But what I'm trying to do is ensure that you are making an educated, thoughtful decision, with a full understanding of why you are doing it and what the implications will be. A BMX is not easy. It will change your body for the rest of your life.  Are you planning reconstruction?  Have you read the Reconstruction Forum on this board?

    Once you have the BMX, there is no going back, so you want to be 100% certain that this is what you want to do. If you have done all the reading up on this, if you know what to expect, if you are prepared in case things don't go as well as you would like, if you are 100% certain, then that's great.  But if you aren't, another option you have is to have the UMX next week and and then decide after that if you want to remove your other breast or not.  Then you will know what it's like and you'll have more time to think it over.  Just a thought.

    By the way, I had two fibroadenomas in my 'healthy' breast, one when I was 16 and the other when I was 20.  I got BC 29 years later in my other breast.  I had a UMX and so far, after 7 years, my healthy breast has remained healthy.  That's just my experience and it doesn't mean that the same will happen to you.  But with all the bad experiences you've been reading about, I thought you should read some positive experiences.  Many more women have positive experiences than problems.  Unfortunately though most of the women who've had positive experiences - they never have a recurrence or develop a second BC - don't ever come back here to talk about it. 

  • Ariom
    Ariom Member Posts: 6,197
    edited April 2013

    I can't imagine what it would be like to have this Dx at the tender age of 24. I do feel for you, it is so unfair that you've got to make this enormous decision at your age.

    As always, Beesie has given solid, unbiased, easy to understand information. I hope it will give you, what you need to make your final decision.

    Although I am much, much older than you. I too, like Beesie, decided to only remove one breast. I felt that I did't want to go the lumpecromy, rads road, but I could see no good reason to remove my healthy breast. 

    My surgery was last December, at Christmas time. I decided not to reconstruct, and I have not looked back. I am completely at peace with my decision, and feel fantastic after a short recovery time. Please don't think I am trying to sway your decision, just giving you another experience to draw from.

    I wish you all the very best, and wish you the clarity to find the right choice for you.

    Please let us know how you are doing, and what you decide. ((((((Hugs)))))))

  • Ariom
    Ariom Member Posts: 6,197
    edited April 2013

    I can't imagine what it would be like to have this Dx at the tender age of 24. I do feel for you, it is so unfair that you've got to make this enormous decision at your age.

    As always, Beesie has given solid, unbiased, easy to understand information. I hope it will give you, what you need to make your final decision.

    Although I am much, much older than you. I too, like Beesie, decided to only remove one breast. I felt that I did't want to go the lumpecromy, rads road, but I could see no good reason to remove my healthy breast. 

    My surgery was last December, at Christmas time. I decided not to reconstruct, and I have not looked back. I am completely at peace with my decision, and feel fantastic after a short recovery time. Please don't think I am trying to sway your decision, just giving you another experience to draw from.

    I wish you all the very best, and wish you the clarity to find the right choice for you.

    Please let us know how you are doing, and what you decide. ((((((Hugs)))))))

  • pselby
    pselby Member Posts: 5
    edited April 2013

    As others have posted, you have to find what's right for you. My cancer was multicentric in my right breast, so a mastectomy was in order. I had to decide, like you, what to do with the other side. I did not have a healthy left breast. I had calcifications and cystic changes. I was going to be having mammograms every 6 months. I decided that was too much "looking over my shoulder." I don't regret having the bilateral. Some of my nerves are waking up, but I will never have the sense of touch I had before, but I'm ok with that. The implants look great in clothes, and I'm still adjusting to the feel of them. I'm hoping it improves when my right expander is replaced. Having a sense of humorous and a good support system helps. It seems I am blessed with both. Good luck to you.

  • lylyjenny
    lylyjenny Member Posts: 30
    edited May 2013

    Just want to update my info with you guys.

    I did BMX and I'm really glad I did that as they found a small IBC tumor in my "healthy" breast. Good news, as the tumor was found so early, it's still tiny and low grade. So I don't need chemo and radiation, but I do need tamoxifen.

    I really don't know how I got bilateral BC at such a yound age, but I'm really really happy that I made the BMX decision.

  • kap
    kap Member Posts: 73
    edited May 2013

    Lylyjenny,

    So glad to hear you are happy with your decision. Thanks for updating us. Hopefully you are healing well from surgery. I'm 9 weeks out myself and almost back to normal.

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