Starting Chemo February 2013

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  • kkmom
    kkmom Member Posts: 54
    edited April 2013

    @LisaMM - I will be joining you at the bar on Wednesday for Chemo 4 - only 2 to go.  I am also scheduled for a blood transfusion next week.  My neutrophils were like at .07.  But as long as I get my extra fluids on Monday after chemo - I am good.   I will also have to get the 6 mg neulasta this time - so that should be a lot of fun. 

    @DizzyMom - I also had neutrophy - in my hands and feet, but not as bad as what you are describing.   It seems like my feet are always cold, even when I have two pairs of socks on. 

    @To All My Friends from Chemo, February 2013 - We are going to make it -even with tingleing hands and feet, funky finger nails and bald heads, aches and pains from a drug like neulasta -   There have been moments in the past months when I wondered would the pain, fatigue and depression ever stop.  I have come to this board for comfort and support and always found it. 

    Spring is a time for renewal and new life - I for one will be so happy to get my life back.  Even though radiation and herceptin for a year will be next. 

  • IamNancy
    IamNancy Member Posts: 1,158
    edited April 2013

    TMM60 and ywheels22 - thanks for the lotion tips - obviously I need to get more lotion - I am not using enough.. tangles - I think you are doing good -this poison we are getting is really hard on all of us..DiZZyMom -I can't imagine taking care of little children.. I have a hard enough time takin care of me. Rdrunner - I am so sorry you are having such a hard time..I do get a low fever during days 3- 6.. it comes and goes with no explanation. melody- I forget the names of things or use a different word in a sentence -makes me nuts..

    won't we all be glad when this is over... Smile

  • caitlin61
    caitlin61 Member Posts: 214
    edited April 2013

    Rdrunner - so sorry to hear about your delay. I hope your fever clears and that you will be good to go next week.

  • tangles
    tangles Member Posts: 508
    edited April 2013

    Rdrunner I am so so sorry. I sure know how you feel. When I was in the hospital for that ten days they couldn't figure out why and just kept pumping me with antibiotics. I was so upset I had to delay Chemo. I go for #4 Friday and my son just told me he has a sore throat. Im like STAY AWAY!! I am so so afraid of getting sick again. I sure hope you get better soon so you can get these treatments over with. We are all counting down together!!!

    Mary

  • ywheels22
    ywheels22 Member Posts: 230
    edited April 2013

    Tangles: yes my port will come out during the exchange. I am done with chemo May 15. I do have to double check again with my MO. I like the sound of your injections. Mine don't hurt but they look funny. I got 30 more cc's today and will get 30 more in four weeks. We decided to go a bit bigger! No decision on permanent yet.



    Rdrunner: hang in there. Sending you prayers for a quick recovery.

  • TNmother
    TNmother Member Posts: 11
    edited April 2013

    Hi everyone, iam starting my 12 rounds of taxol next week! I just finished up 4 rounds of A/C. Wondering what SE are taxol that's different from the A/C?

  • caitlin61
    caitlin61 Member Posts: 214
    edited April 2013

    TNmother, it's important to hear from several people, since everybody reacts differently (for example, DH just sent me a news report on Mayo Clinic study showing specific genetic mutations may be linked to developing chemo-induced peripheral neuropathy, a common SE of Taxol).  I started dose dense Taxol last week.  So far for me it means much less nausea, GI burning and fuzzy-headedness than AC, but much more bone pain and fatigue.  I was on Neulasta with AC, but MO said I would not need it for Taxol.  I was not expecting the bone pain to be as bad as it was, since I had only minor twinges from Neulasta.  For me, the pain started on Day 3 and lasted almost constantly through Day 5.  Still some flare ups on Day 6, but Day 7 (so far) has been pretty much pain free.  I haven't had any obvious tingling in my fingers or toes yet.  Felt basically flattened, in terms of fatigue, for most of Days 3 and 4 too and have moments of it still. 

    All up, Taxol hasn't been as easy as I expected (my MO said it would be "a walk in the park" compared to AC) but I still prefer it to AC.  I anticipate having maybe a week of feeling normal before the next treatment, whereas on AC I had between 0 and 4 days of feeling relatively normal with reasonable energy levels each round.

  • ywheels22
    ywheels22 Member Posts: 230
    edited April 2013

    TNmother: I agree with CAitlin. I finished DD ACx4 (with Nuelasta shot) and just had my first of 4 DD Taxol (no shot) last Wednesday, so today is day 8. I did have some quesy stomach issues the day of and two days after but the zofran nipped that. The pain in joints and muscles was managable with Tylenol. However, I feel Taxol hangs on longer. I felt good yesterday, day 7, but later in the day got the metal mouth taste. Today, I was good until about 10:30, then I started feeling aches and got very tired. I worked until 1:30 and went home and took a 2 hour nap. I really wanted to go to the gym after work but just couldn't do it. I did run/walk 3.5 miles yesterday though. Metal mouth taste is back. It seems to come and go like the aches. TX #2 is next Wednesday and I hope these SE's clear up. I have had no neuropathy.

    With AC the pain, because of the shot, was much more severe and I had to take vicadin to manage it.

    I do think Taxol is easier than AC, but unfortunately, it comes with it's own SE's that we have to get through.

  • slv58
    slv58 Member Posts: 1,216
    edited April 2013

    I finished 3 FEC treatments and had my first docetaxol 2 Weeks ago. I'm the opposite, I sailed though FEC, a bit nauseated but meds took care of that. With the docetaxol I thought I was fine, but 3 days later I developed the bone pain and was popping Tylenol extra strength every 4 hours and felt no relief. I spent that first night in bed moaning and groaning (not the fun kind!) and crying. Called my MO and got an rx to take at night, thankfully this has helped and I'm able to sleep well. During the day I feel the bone pain but it has lessened to where I don't take anything for it. I have developed neuropathy in both fingers and toes, despite taking B6 and l glutamine. Hopefully this isn't permenant. Despite this, I'm thankful to have powerful drugs to help me beat this cancer!

  • tangles
    tangles Member Posts: 508
    edited April 2013

    ywheels you must be doing great to get in 3 miles. It was so nice out on Monday I told my hubby I wanted to walk around the block and I couldn't make it. I was just to weak and not enough energy. That was 18 days post chemo :-( Today I start my Dexamethasone so I will start feeling crummy this afternoon and not sleep for the next several nights!! UGH! I felt pretty good tues and wed so I had a few really good days. Not looking forward to next week but looking forward to say only two more to go after Tomorrow is over!!!

  • TMM60
    TMM60 Member Posts: 190
    edited April 2013

    I went to a Look Good Feel Better program on Tuesday night. If you all haven't been to one, I highly recommend it. It's free and I got some very nice cosmetics and some tips to apply them (including how to draw your eyebrows in- that's a keeper!) and how to tie scarves.

    Here is my favorite tip I got was how to make a really nice head covering out of a T-Shirt! (Check out the T-Shirt tie at the link below). I'm wearing one I made right now. Nice and cool and cost me nothing since I had a T-shirt right in my closet. You'll need a large or bigger so you have lots of material to twist.

    They have a great website with lots of very good instructional videos: http://lookgoodfeelbetter.org/beauty-guide

  • Wildlyshel
    Wildlyshel Member Posts: 48
    edited April 2013

    Rdrunner I am sorry to hear of your delay. Hopefully they can get it taken care of soon.



    Ywheels I have been watching your experience with the chemo since it looks like we are on the same reg. when I hear of your out exercising it gives me a push to get out and take a short walk. Do you think it gets the chemo out of our system faster?



    I finished my AC and will be headed to Taxol next Friday. You all seem like such fighters and it helps me stay in the headspace to continue. I was seriously in a dark place wanting to throw in the towel to not deal and stop being such a burden. Those thoughts are gone and as uncomfortable as they are to admit I wanted to be honest on the boards for anyone reading that it can happen...just hang in there. Here's to getting through.

  • ywheels22
    ywheels22 Member Posts: 230
    edited April 2013

    Tangles: It was the only day I felt good. I called my nurse today because I still have aches (day 9) and they think this cold/congestioin thing is what is doing it as the SE's from Taxol should be nearly gone by day 7. I am not taking Tylenol multil severe cold medicine every four hours to see if I can get rid of this. I am still on schedule for tx as my counts are good and I don't have any infection. I took a two hour nap yesterday and then did 40 minutes of exercises at home. Decided going to the gym while I still have this might not be a good idea. I am hoping to do spin on Sunday if this clears up.

    Wildly: I think any exercise you can do is good but does it make the chemo get out of your system faster....I couldn't say. I try my best to exercise every other day (not including the days I feel bad right after tx) even if it's just doing ligth weights in my house. To me it's like telling chemo to kiss my ass!!!!

  • DiZZyMom
    DiZZyMom Member Posts: 245
    edited April 2013

    To me it's like telling chemo to kiss my ass!!!!

    I love that. Great motivator too. I definitely feel better when I get some form of exercise even if it's much less than I was doing before surgery/treatment. I try to attend a class at the hospital specifically for us BC girls a couple times a week. Yesterday, I was the only one who showed up and basically got a personal training session from the instructor, which was great. I was a little sore today and can't remember the last time I was sore from exercise. A little bit of normalcy in all this junk!

    I'm planning to go either to the gym tomorrow or for a run/walk outside.

    Wildlyshel, I'm glad you found your way out of that place. Hope you continue to look forward with hope and peace :-)

  • tangles
    tangles Member Posts: 508
    edited April 2013

    I have Chemo tomorrow so will see the Doctor. I may just ask her why I am so weak. I have to say I am a bit jealous hearing about you gals exercise. Especially when it was a way of life for me for ten years!! I don't think I will attempt going to the gym even if I feel better as I am so afraid of germs after my long hospital stay, but I would like to be able to go for walks, or bike rides. I agree moving around does help. I try to run a few errands each day or clean a few rooms in my house or do laundry. Although next week will be my sick week so I will just be on the couch. Dreading tonight as last time, night before infusion, I was up until 3:30am! Thank god for the computer to kill time. I have to stop reading up on implants though. I am driving myself crazy with that!!!

  • DiZZyMom
    DiZZyMom Member Posts: 245
    edited April 2013

    One more round closer to done Tangles. Hope next week is not too rough on you. Day 5 kicks my ass every time. Even if I was guaranteed exercising on that day would make me feel better, I wouldn't be able to do it. Hope you get some sleep tonight.

  • IamNancy
    IamNancy Member Posts: 1,158
    edited April 2013

    you gals that exercise have got my respect.. even on days I feel pretty good, I can't even walk that far - I just lose energy and quite often are short of breath..I do go to work (not for the first 5-6 days after chemo)and can function there fine but its a desk job.

    Tangles - hoping for the best for you today..

  • slv58
    slv58 Member Posts: 1,216
    edited April 2013

    Tangles, good luck today, will be thinking positive thoughts for minimal SE

  • Wildlyshel
    Wildlyshel Member Posts: 48
    edited April 2013

    Good luck with your infusion Tangles. Here's hoping for more energy!



    My friend just found a place called The Healing Gardens in Harvard MA if anyone lives in the area. It looks lovely and soon the flowers will be out to enjoy.



    Much love my friends.

  • melody46
    melody46 Member Posts: 279
    edited April 2013

    Good Luck Tangles. I'm 9 days out of treatment 3 and this has been the easiest so far.  Cant wait for last one in 12 days but whos counting? Off to Forks (twilight country) for a weekend at moms. Wishing you all a great weekend filled with comfort.

  • Wildlyshel
    Wildlyshel Member Posts: 48
    edited April 2013

    I just found out that prednisone may have been the cause of such depressing and frankly suicidal thoughts. I was a hot mess. And those thoughts, that person seems so distant. I think I need to tell my MO.

  • tangles
    tangles Member Posts: 508
    edited April 2013

    Feels SO GOOD to say only two more to go!!!! Hoping for minimal side effects this round. I talked with me MO today and she said first off my chemo is a hard/strong one and dont worry about not wearing or what others can and can not do. She thinks it is affecting me a bit harder fatigue wise then some others as I did spend ten days in the hospital after the first treatment. She said you have all the time in the world to work out after treatment is done. I was also a bit bummed when I stepped on her scale today. I was up 6 Lbs since last infusion!! I felt I was gaining but gezzz!! I told her I thought the one benefit of chemo would be some weight loss, she said oh my not on this chemo drug. Average gain is 10 pounds! UGH Not like I need one more thing to be bummed about. Fat and bald!!

    After last night of not getting to sleep until 4:45 am she is cutting the pre chemo drugs in half so that may help!! I didnt know they caused depression. Maybe that explains why I was crying last night!!

  • LW0919
    LW0919 Member Posts: 196
    edited April 2013

    I think the roller coaster ride of emotions is to be expected. We found out we had/have cancer. We had to take chemo and lost our hair our bodies have been butchered. The massive amount of drugs both pre chemo treatment and post not to mention the toxins that are being pumped in with each treatment has got to all take its toll. I spent all of last weekend after my 3rd treatment depressed and just completely messed up! I think we're all doing pretty good considering! I have felt great for the last few days...I'm going to enjoy feeling good until next time. I hope everyone has a great weekend!

  • ywheels22
    ywheels22 Member Posts: 230
    edited April 2013

    Tangles: you'll get there and your MO was right, we are all on different drugs, at different points in our tx's and we all respond differently. Do what you can when you can.

    LW| I agree. The shit going in our bodies frightens me. I have a few friend at work who have been through this and they all said you will look and feel normal again. That made me feel good. Best!

  • McKatherine
    McKatherine Member Posts: 300
    edited April 2013

    Tangles - yes the weight gain was unexpected! I managed to gain 8 lbs in 3 weeks. :o



    DiZZyMom - right there with you with the sore fingers. Helping my boys get dressed and buckling car seats - oy!! Found out the hard way that my B-complex didn't have enough B-6, and it seemed to get better after I increased that. But now 4 days post 4th TCH, my fingers are yelling at me again. My poor nails - I'm afraid to touch them. :(

    Glad I have an iPad (but even that hurts to type right now) #firstworldproblem. ;)

  • DiZZyMom
    DiZZyMom Member Posts: 245
    edited April 2013

    McKatherine, how much B-6 are you taking? There is sooo much conflicting information out there about vitamin/supplement use during chemo. I much prefer using natural supplements, but so many interfere with chemo. I hate the chemicals, but if I'm going to agree to put that stuff in my body, I know I need to stay out of the way so it can do it's *&^%$#@ job!

    Take care all.

  • slv58
    slv58 Member Posts: 1,216
    edited April 2013

    McKatherine, I asked my MO about B6 and she told me not to take any more than 100 mg. as taking more can have the opposite effect for neuropathy. I also asked about l glutamine and she said I "could try it". I've been using both and might see a slight decrease in symptoms -or it may be that I'm 2.5 weeks from treatment. I figure since my fingers and toes acted up almost immediately I may as well try what I can to help. Hopefully yours feel better soon!

  • Wildlyshel
    Wildlyshel Member Posts: 48
    edited April 2013

    I agree we are going to have depression because of what we are going through but after the steroids wear off I feel like a different person. I did some research and found out they can cause suicidal thoughts...trust me I was there on the edge. It scares me now. It's like looking through the dark side of the mirror and seeing someone else. And it's been a pattern I didnt recognize until a few days ago.



    I don't think it's something to just deal with because when in that state I am not dealing...if they can get me off those steroids or do something I want off.

  • ywheels22
    ywheels22 Member Posts: 230
    edited April 2013

    Wildy: can they give you a lower dose? Ask about anti-depressants. My nurse told me they treat many patients for depression during chemo. You will get through it!!! Stay strong and prayers!

  • tangles
    tangles Member Posts: 508
    edited April 2013

    My MO has cut my steriods in half. I asked her if that would be safe and she said the steroids help against any allergic reaction to the chemo and I have had no allergic issues so if you have not either maybe ask about it??

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