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  • rivercottagegal
    rivercottagegal Member Posts: 38
    edited March 2013

    IamNancy and Gaamp12...nearly the same diagnosis as you two. Had lumpectomy ten days ago...start chemo in another 10...March 20. Any advice after having your first treatment???

  • IamNancy
    IamNancy Member Posts: 1,158
    edited March 2013

    rivercottagegal - read, read, read and try to be as informed as can be.. don't hesitate to let dr or nurse know any concernes you have.. ask questions, call them..don't be afraid. they gave me a prescription for nausea prior to the first treatment  so that I would have them ready - if I had known that steroids are in the infusion I would have asked for sleeping pills right away - instead I tossed and turned for 4-5 nights before calling... on the day you go wear comfy clothes, bring a blanket, water or something to drink, snack.. whatever will make you feel comfy. drink lots of fluids the day before, the day of and a few days after..

    hope this is helpful Smile

  • Tho225
    Tho225 Member Posts: 7
    edited March 2013

    Hi,



    I am starting chemo in two weeks. I am 38 with three children. I would love to hear about your first chemo experience, how you delt with your children and other things if possible.



    Thanks.

  • Rdrunner
    Rdrunner Member Posts: 309
    edited March 2013

    My kids are teenagers, so self reliant for the most part. They were a bit anxious before the first chemo session, but once they saw it was ok and I could manage the side effects they felt much more relaxed. My son does watches me I think to see how I am and checks how Im feeling.

  • McKatherine
    McKatherine Member Posts: 300
    edited March 2013

    Tho225

    My boys are 7 and almost 5 (in first grade and 3 morning a week pre-K). They've done okay - we have family (my Mom or sister) stay with us each round to help out with everyday stuff (cooking, laundry, carpool). Lots if friends/neighbors filling in the gaps. Our small group hired a cleaning lady every other week (and there's a national charity that can help with this, too - cleaning with a purpose). Hubby goes with me to each chemo and teleworks those days. (yay for wifi in the infusion rooms).

    My boys also have taken a "cancer class" offered by the hospital social workers - that has really helped.

    I would talk to your MO about your chemo plan and be frank about how much help they think you'll need. Mine said to line up help and plan to be "off work" for 4-5 days each round. And having friends / family "on call" for the unexpected will help your stress level, too. :)

    Hugs to you! Please ask more questions if I didn't hit all of them!! :)

  • LisaMM
    LisaMM Member Posts: 120
    edited March 2013

    Tho225- welcome to our ranks! You will find so much help & inspiration here! I 'm not sure which meds you will be getting, i get Taxotere & Cytoxan every 3 weeks. I have 3 kids also who are 15, 12, & 9. I work full time also, Mykids are busy in activities & sports right now. I have had some side effects from both my tx's but it wasn't anything unbearable. I notice that I get tired faster now. My kids are a big help as is my husband when I don't have the energy. I have only missed 1 day of work because I didn't feel well. And my boss is really an angel with all of this.

    Take in alot of information, ask alot of questions, surround yourself with people who can pitch in & help, and take it one day at a time. Everyone responds differently to each of the meds. Most important, ficus on you & what you need to do. Give yourself time to rest & heal& gather your strength!

  • ywheels22
    ywheels22 Member Posts: 230
    edited March 2013

    Tho: Welcome. Stay on these boards. They will help. Each tx is different for each patient so my SE's may not be any where near what your SE's may be and vice versa. There are so many variables. If you had surgery first, that will factor in as well. I had a BMX and recon and then 3 weeks post surgery started chemo.

    If you are getting AC, followed by the Nuelasta shot, plan to miss more than a day of work. Have people help with your children, chores, food, etc. I have a tremendous support system of friends and family and it has been a God send. I have 7 year old and a great husband.

    If you have any concerns or are in any pain tell your MO and don't be afraid or ashamed to ask for pain meds, anti-nausea meds whatever you need. The Nuelasta shot kicks my butt so I take Vicadin and it helps a great deal. There is no need to suffer when there are medicines that can help. I whine alot to my nurse and MO and they respond!!!!

    Keep us posted!

  • Hildy910
    Hildy910 Member Posts: 319
    edited March 2013

    IamNancy, regarding your hands--I had that as well, and it started when I was doing AC--the chemo nurse said it was from the Cytoxan. She suggested that I find some moisturizing gloves to wear at night, slather on the lotion and put the gloves on, which I did, and it helped. My skin actually improved during Taxol, and ditto on the fingernails, although there was some Taxol-related effects with the nails. 

    I got something similar to this: http://www.amazon.com/Ralyn-Night-Care-Gloves-Pair/dp/B003GDOSOC/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1363013357&sr=8-2&keywords=night+moisturizing+gloves

    Also, wear gloves if you do dishes--or better yet, outsource that job if you can!

  • IamNancy
    IamNancy Member Posts: 1,158
    edited March 2013

    thanks Hildy910 for the suggestion.. I am gonna give it a try - I don't do the dishes, I can hardly stand the pain of putting my hands in water.. actually was think of wearing plastic gloves in the shower!

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited March 2013

    IamNancy- When I was drying up from my chemo, I bought some cotton gloves from Walgreens.  I lathered up my hands and feet with Cetaphil Cream, then put the gloves on my hands and socks on my feet.  The reason I used a cream rather than a lotion is that the cream will stay on the skin longer. 

  • melody46
    melody46 Member Posts: 279
    edited March 2013

    Wed. is my 2nd treatment and I was wondering if most of you ladies experienced much of the same symptoms as treatment 1?  I was sent to an ENT Dr today by my MO and she said my ear looked good she suggested it was TMJ just like you said Melrose.

  • IamNancy
    IamNancy Member Posts: 1,158
    edited March 2013

    Melrosemelrose - thanks - gloves, I 'll look for them at lunchtime..

    Melody - I thought the second treatment was better.. some of the same sides but not all of them..it just seemed easier...I only took 3.5 days off from work for it instead of the 4.5 the first time  hope it is easier for you -too..

  • slv58
    slv58 Member Posts: 1,216
    edited March 2013

    Just checking in and hoping everyone is doing well and minimal SE. I would think some of us are halfway through, or close to it! I noticed yesterday when putting on my makeup, how the facial hair I was getting ( gotta love hormones) is just about gone and how much nicer my foundation looks! There are positives. I will admit, i am definitely wearing more makeup, I guess to counteract the less feminine SE of chemo, but I'm having fun trying new eyeshadows and blushes. It's actually the first time I'm enjoying wearing blush as I've usually had a bit of rosacea.

    So has anyone thought much about what it will be like after chemo? I know I have a long road ahead, with surgery and rads.

    Hope everyone is well.

  • Rdrunner
    Rdrunner Member Posts: 309
    edited March 2013

    Has anyone doing ACT notice a change in skin colour. Everyone is telling me I look like  I have a tan.. now I do tan easily and get that winter sallow look this time of year but I was wondering if it was a SE. My eyes are all nice and white so Im not worried about my liver

  • Wildlyshel
    Wildlyshel Member Posts: 48
    edited March 2013

    After second AC I started to lose more hair and just shaved it off with the electric razor...now I feel like velcroe. Hubby said he would help me shave with his razor.



    On another note my neulasta shot went off with minimal side effects. I took two doses of the white willow and only had pain at the injection site for about five minutes. I had absolutely no bone pain. Hurray for those blessings!



    Nausea not as bad this time around but still not used to being tired.



    Has anyone started the Taxol yet? I have two more ACs and then the Taxol. Just wondering what people are experiencing.



  • LisaMM
    LisaMM Member Posts: 120
    edited March 2013

    Yay for less SE!



    My second tx was pretty much exactly like the first except I have a little more tingling in my hands. My mouth was better though!



    Weird, I am actually lookong forward to #3 next week-then I will be half way done!!!!

  • tangles
    tangles Member Posts: 508
    edited March 2013

    So what is this white willow? How much of it do you take. I tried the clariton and still had pain. I am 10 days post shot and still feeling bone pain. I just did the clariton for 5 or 6 days. Maybe I needed to do it more? Maybe I needed the clariton D and not the regular? The D might make me nuts as it has that sudafederan in it. Where do you get the white willow?

  • TMM60
    TMM60 Member Posts: 190
    edited March 2013

    LisaMM- I'm finding the mouth SE's a lot less on TC round 2 too! I still got thrush, but no sores. Taste is gone, but my mouth doesn't feel as nasty and waxy. My tingling lasted weeks 2-3 on round one, but I don't have any now. We'll see if it makes a come back next week- hope not. But my MO said the fatigue would be worse this time and I have to say it was. I slept most of days 1-4. Feeling more rested and alert this evening, but the last few days were a struggle to do anything.

    You are super woman with 3 kids and working through this. I don't know how you do it!

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited March 2013

    Tangles- It is the regular Claritin that is supposed to help with the Neulasta bone pain.  You don't need the decongestant kind.  You may also want to try taking the Claritin for 7-9 days to see if helps.  Also, you have to remember that muscle aches and joint pains may also be chemo side effect sand not the Neulasta shot.  If the pain becomes too much, you may want to call your onco to get some pain meds or see if you should be taking some OTC meds (Advil/ Tylenol).  Just have to let your onco know that you need some help.  It's part of their job to help chemo patients handle the side effects.

  • IamNancy
    IamNancy Member Posts: 1,158
    edited March 2013

    today I am having some pain in my feet - walking is a little slow and I feel sorta stiff..took tylenol and going to bed now and hope tomorrow is better..

  • LW122713
    LW122713 Member Posts: 52
    edited March 2013

    Thursday is round 2 for me. Is the Claritin supposed to be started the day before the shot or the day of? I didn't know about it the first time and the pain was pretty bad. I really want to give it a try this time. I know I will have to get the shot because I was anemic to begin with and have had the misfortune of having my period for the last 4 days. They are horrific and to have it without being able to use tampons takes the experience to a whole new level. AND my hair started really coming out on day 14 (last Thursday) it is so thin now. I had been working up until Monday when I left early. I had a mild anxiety attack because my hair was falling out on the desk around me. I had a hat on and it was still falling out. I haven't been back since, just working from home. Losing my hair has been soo much harder than I imagined. Before, no one could tell I could go to work and act as if nothing was different. Now the sign is plastered all over my head. I have wigs and know that it will grow back in time but its just so hard right now. For those of you that took it like a champ, I admire you for that. All I can think of right now is how bad it sucks to have drawn the short straw and have to go through this all and how much it has interfered with my life so far.

  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited March 2013

    LW122713-You can either take the Claritin the day before the Neulasta shot or the day of the Neulasta shot.  I always took mine in the morning and got my shot that afternoon.   As for the anemia, talk to your onco/infusion nurses about what you can eat to help with the anemia.  I was not allowed to take any iron supplements despite my red blood counts dropping while I was having chemo.  However, your onco may allow you take them though.  Sorry you are having a hard time with the hair loss.  Each of deals with the hair departure differently from others.  It is true it is a visible and outward sign to the rest of the world that you are being treated for something.  Once my hair started leaving, I stopped looking in mirrors for a while.  I knew I wasn't ready to see what the rest of the world could see but I knew how much was gone because I would feel my head.  At some point, I became comfortable with me again. It's okay to grieve the loss of your hair and acknowledge the transformation you are going through.  When you are ready, you will pick yourself back up and move forward.  HUGS to you.

  • IamNancy
    IamNancy Member Posts: 1,158
    edited March 2013

    LW122713 - take the clirtan the day before and then for bout 6 days... thats whe the dr told me to do..

    I so understand the hair thing.. it is an outward show of something we might not want to share.. all of a sudden hairlosss and it all changes...that said.. the few days it was falling out for me were the worst - once I had my husband buzz it off, it was somehow freeing.. I faced my fear and it wasn't terrible. Don't get me wrong, I still hate my wig n have cute scarfs.. but I am making the best of it .. you can too Smile

  • melody46
    melody46 Member Posts: 279
    edited March 2013

    LW122713  We are only a day apart on our treatments, my hair started coming out alot on day 14 and day 16 I had my sister buzz it down to an inch because I couldn't take it anymore and I was sick of the hair all over the place.  Losing my hair has been really hard on me too.  I agree with Melrose I try not to spend too much time in the mirror and every day it gets a little easier.  I put a sign up in front of my computer that says "this is temporary" it reminds me that although its going to take some time it will come back. Going in this morning for round 2, hoping I dont have that allergic reaction again!

  • Wildlyshel
    Wildlyshel Member Posts: 48
    edited March 2013

    Tangles - I got the white willow liquid extract from mountain rose herbs. I would do your own research on it before using it. It's basically where aspirin is derived. So far it's seems to have worked for me. I only take a dose in water twice during the shot.

  • LisaMM
    LisaMM Member Posts: 120
    edited March 2013

    TMM60-Thanks for the superwoman compliment!  I just keep trying to keep things as "normal" as I can for my family, which keeps me going.  I certainly don't feel like superwoman most of the time, but I get alot of help from my DH, my kids, my aunt (who's like a second mom), & my parents.  The girls I work with, including my boss, are very good to me also! Things are going to get busier in my house very soon with my son playing baseball for school & Junior Legion-concurrently at times, my youngest daughter is a jr. cheerleader that cheers at Jr. high basketball games, both my daughters will restart dance lessons April 1, & my son will have Prom in May.  Then there's always all of the busy stuff they do at school when it nears the end.  I try not to think of all of it lumped together like that, I just try to take it a week at a time.

  • TMM60
    TMM60 Member Posts: 190
    edited March 2013

    LW122713, it's totally OK to be so upset about losing your hair. I was too, still am. It really sucks to have cancer and it really sucks the way it takes over our lives. Damn it, it's just not fair. I want my normal life back. So I truly understand how you feel right now. I know it will grow back, I know this is temporary, but this is just no fun. We will all overcome, but it sure is nice to have a place to just let it out with people who understand!

  • LW122713
    LW122713 Member Posts: 52
    edited March 2013

    TMM60 - Exactly! Your comments mirrorered exactly how I feel. I was tired of "pretending" it was all "ok" for others. It does suck...but you are right we will overcome and it did feel nice to vent!!



    Melody 46 - I have finally started cutting mine. First to the shoulders last Friday, above the shoulders on Monday and just below the chin this morning. I had my Mom come over and even it up the few remaining strands for me. That is making it a little easier. I'm thinking with the next wash there won't be enough left to worry with.



    IamNancy - I haven't got to the place where I want my hubby to see my baldness yet, let alone have him shave it for me. You are one brave woman!



    Melrose - I would love to stay away from mirrors...but I think I am too vain. I am perfecting the makeup to try to make the change in hair not so noticeable. Plus my 10 & 15 year old would probably be horrified at the difference. They think I have suddenly become cool now that I wear ball caps. I have to keep on the happy face when they are around. Thanks for the advice on the Claritin. I will have to take the Neulsta shot again, my MO confirmed today. I'm on iron supplements but its still low.



    So to you all, I will pose another question. Another layer to the hurt and anger, have any of you had experience with any of your friends not acting the same around you since the diagnosis and chemo? Most of my friends have been very supportive and I love them for it. However, my best friend for the last 12 years, has had almost no contact with me since the diagnosis. She remarried and moved to UT last August and we have been texting back and forth every week and calling occasionally but since the diagnosis and the chemo, nothing other than an occassional text that seems as if she's only doing it out of courtesy, no substance to it at all. Just curious if anyone else had noticed friends acting differently. Luckily I have my other friends, family and the best husband in the world but it still stings when I think about being hung out to dry by a long time friend.



    Other than the hair and the friend thing, I am fine. Next chemo treatment is tomorrow, I'm ready for it and will then be 1/3 of the way through. That is progress.



  • Melrosemelrose
    Melrosemelrose Member Posts: 3,018
    edited March 2013

    LW122713 - Unfortunately, it is not uncommon for friendships/relationships to change after the cancer diagnosis.  Sometimes, friends are at a loss as to what to say or do and are afraid that they will say something wrong.   Sometimes, they think that they may be disturbing you when you are resting or not feeling well if they do call or text you.   Some people are just scared to talk because they are afraid it could happen to them and they just don't want to hear about how your life is because it is too much for them to hear.   Just like you, this may be new territory for friends too so it's not surprising that relationships are out of kilter.  If she is truly a good friend, you can always contact her and have a chat with her and tell her how you feel.    Please be aware that the longer you have been in treatment, the frequency of contact with friends and offers to help may taper off.  If you need help, always ask and don't assume that friends will always know what you need or will try to keep up with you.  I have a few gal pals that contacted me either by phone or by text to check on me.  I really didn't need them to physically help me but just like knowing that they were checking on me and there if I ever needed help.  I've had friend tell me how bad they felt that they come see me or call me more often while I was in chemo treatment.  I let them know that I was fine that if I had needed something or help, that I knew I could call on them for assistance and that I knew they would be there for me.   Hang in there.... you will get through this part of the journey.

  • PositiveThnking
    PositiveThnking Member Posts: 42
    edited March 2013

    Hi all, thought I would check-in to the thread.  I usually post over at the Sister Warriors thread but I think I may have more chemo treatment specific discussions.  I have round 2 today in about 5 hours.   I did not listen to the "don't take the corticosteroid after 4 pm or you wont sleep"  that was proven correct!

    I had manageable side effects for round one and bounced back in week 2 and 3. Nausea was mininal with the Zofran, taste buds left me, had dry mouth so I used Biotene several times a day and brushed teeth often.  no sores thank goodness!  I drank an ocean of water to flush out the toxins.  Fatigue

    I feel quite normal right now other than the taxotere induced runny nose that can bleed when I blow my nose since it felt dry.  I actually used vaseline lightly in my nose and that stopped the dryness and the bleeding.  MO says it will be the same or less the next rounds but the fatigue will be cumulative.  Not looking forward to that.  Had the pain the first days after the neulasta shot. He says as my marrow decreases the pain will as well.  

    Preemptively buzzed my head.  So glad I did!  Its much less tramatic when you take control.  I am in full shed mode right now but it doesn't bother me very much.  I've got a few wigs in different lengths.  wore the short one to work.  I get to work from home for the next 10 days and then I may show up in the office sporting one of the longer wigs just for fun!

    I'm looking forward to saying 2 down 4 to go tomorrow! 

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