Alcohol consumption and BC risk (sigh)

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  • SelenaWolf
    SelenaWolf Member Posts: 1,724
    edited February 2013

    I live close to the Niagara wine region and, even, have a separate refrigerator in my cellar for wine only.  Beer (my husband's) has to go in the regular fridge... if there's room.  My favourite is the full-bodied, fruity Gerwurtztraminer.  I, also, adore ice wine and champagne.

    Although I haven't given up drinking entirely, I did cut back when I was first diagnosed because I had heard of the "link".  After doing some research (and asking Beesie some pointed questions), I decided that the "link" between breast cancer risk and alcohol consumption was tenuous, at best.  However, at that point, I had lost a great deal of weight, partly due to the fact that I was no longer having a nightly glass (or two) of of my favourite chilled wine.  BUMMER!!!  Wine is a necessary food group - like chocolate and coffee -  why does it have to be so fattening?  Argh!  So... I continue to drink sparingly - a few glasses a month - but only because I want to keep my weight down.  Obesity has a stronger link with breast cancer risk than alcohol.

  • kestrelgurl
    kestrelgurl Member Posts: 266
    edited February 2013

    I don't even have the "excuse" of living in a wine region. Wink We just like wine.

    I do agree with the calories, but am willing to add another few minutes of exercise to counteract. I consider it a good trade.

  • fd1
    fd1 Member Posts: 239
    edited February 2013

    Oh, the calories!  It's so true.  I gave up drinking for a few months before and during chemo.  I lost 7lbs before I started chemo.  I won't count the additional 5lbs I lost during chemo as I was constantly vomiting during AC.  After the chemo, I went back up by 5 lbs.  Then came the holidays and the glasses of wine, plus being inactive because of my surgery, and I'm back up to my old weight.  I'm thin anyway so it doesn't really matter, but it just goes to show you how wine can pack on the pounds!

  • wenweb
    wenweb Member Posts: 1,107
    edited February 2013

    The extra calories in wine is the only good reason I have to drink now.  Every Dr. I have seen of late has told me that I should stop or cut back on my wine intake.  That  most likely because when asked how much I drink, I usually say 1 or 2 glasses of wine.  For me 1 glass is a "half" glass as I mentioned in an earlier post.  I actually measured, and at MOST, I drink is 8oz per evening.  Personally, I don't think that is too much even though it is more that the "daily" recommendation.  My life is extremely stressful right now and a girl has to have some pleasures Wink

  • kestrelgurl
    kestrelgurl Member Posts: 266
    edited February 2013

    I am thin, too.......and after years of worrying about any extra fat, I now know that life really is to short to worry about being "perfect". I'll take 3-5 pounds and a more balanced, relaxed approach anyday. Smile

  • wallycat
    wallycat Member Posts: 3,227
    edited February 2013

    Studies actually show that women specifically have smaller waists when they drink wine than non-drinkers.

    Alcohol is metabolized differently.  Alcohol actually lowers blood sugar.  The problem is that too much booze can make us hungry and lose a bit of control with monitoring our intake of food.

    As an aside, there is a newer study that shows overweight (but not obese) live longer than normal-weigh or obese. 

    Life is a crap shoot, no?

  • painterly
    painterly Member Posts: 602
    edited February 2013

    As an aside, there is a newer study that shows overweight (but not obese) live longer than normal-weigh or obese.

    How interestering Wallycat. My skinny husband played golf with a former Nasa Scientist who told him not to do too much exercise because being skinny is not healthy.hahahha!

    As for alcohol consumption, I didn't drink much before my dx because I was always watching my calories plus I am vegetarian. AFter my 2nd dx (new primary), I said "what the hell I may as well increase my wine consumption since being healthy didn't stop me from getting b.c. in the first place."

  • jessica749
    jessica749 Member Posts: 429
    edited February 2013

    All these studies,studies, studies. And just cause things correlate doesn't mean there's cause and effect.

    Nonetheless, my understanding is that alcohol increases circulating estrogen levels in the body. That this is a measurable, indeed has been measured.

    Do I think  I got bc cause I drank a glass of wine every night? OF course not. Would I have gotten it anyway? Almost definitely.  Do I think that this bad habit-along with other bad-habits hastened what may have been genetically/molecularly destined in my body? Sure didn't do anything to put the breaks on what was happening.

    Do I drink on a regular basis now, post bc? No. Absolutely, c ategorically, not.  When I go out for dinner or visit friends I will have one or two glasses but that's it. Maybe this occurs once every week or two. So it's a substantial reduction in drinking for me.  I miss it a little bit, but not really. My surgeon thought it was  a risk factor but apparently my oncologist thinks its fine. I was told by my MO's peeps to ask about it the other week when I was at my appt, mentioning my stress and inability to drink these days !!! (they said, no! that's not true ! you can have a glass of wine! Ask Doc about it...")  but it slipped my mind (just not THAT important to me).  Was too caught up in my tamoxifen vs AI vs what have you.  So, I get that there's a school of thought that thinks some of htis alcohol thing is overblown.  I guess we have to decide for ourselves, no real right or wrong.

  • Rhiannon78
    Rhiannon78 Member Posts: 33
    edited February 2013

    Hi Gals:  I was waiting patienlty for a thread on this to pop up after this latest "study".  It sounded like BS to me and I didn't even knopw who funded the research. Thanks again to Bessie and otehrs who called it for what it is. I got very suspicious when it seemed to imply a very clear "cause and effect" with alcohol consumption.  I figure we would have all know about this ere long before now if this were true.

    Like pretty much everyone else here, I have no intention of giving up my evening glass (or 2) of wine.  My husband is an importer of Italin wine, so I am fortunate to have access to all kinds of delicious varietals that he brings home from his tastings. For a week or 2 after my diagnosis, I cut back a bit, but in the end, I am just too weak to resist the siren call of a beautiful wine-especially if its free;-)

    I have virtually no risk factors either (other than being a woman and dense breasts), yet here I am. I eat tons of veggies, organic, etc (though I do eat dairy & meat in moderation), have alwasy been super lean blah blah blah.  The breast care coordinator at the hospital (who is a vegetarian runner!) said to me that she feels like most of the women she sees come through are in fact, generally very heralthy.  She said the heavy-set coca-cola drinkers seem to have more biopsies come back B9 lol! She said she went through a phase thinking that it was the cheese she ate. Then she realized that it wasn't likely.

    Who the heck knows? We all have to do what we feel is best for ourselves and our risk tolerance.  For me, wine & dark chocolate will remain staples ulness and until a valid study shows a clear statistical link.  And I am doubtful that will ever happen, since cancer seems to be a very complex combination of events happening at a cellular level and no one thing (other than asbestos for lung cancer & stuff like that) is the culprit.

    My onc recommended a book called "The Blue Zones" when I started hassling her about supplements and stuff that I should take to prevent a recurrence.  The idea here is that it's not just abiut the type of diets we consume that impact longevity and disease prevention, it's about the type of lives we lead, our social networks, etc that have the most impact.  I had also read about wines from Sardegna and parts of Spain I think that were supposed to have particularly protective effect. 

    http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/VitalityProject/sardinian-diet-hold-secret-longevity/story?id=8875605

    http://www.spiritindia.com/2006/wine-worlds-healthiest-red-wines-in-sardinia-pyrenees-4289/

    To your health!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2013

    kelly279, I teach big kiddos at a U but they are equally challenging! 

    I would  venture to say that those who keep putting out all these studies and those who tell us about "possible links" don't have and didn't have breast cancer. They can't know what we go through and what we have to give up and the fears and emotions we have to navigate through dx, tx and beyond.

    I decided that drinking organic wine from time to time is okay.  And I'm looking forward to having a glass with my daughter tonight, who is going in for a sleep study to see if she has sleep apnea. If she does, she will go through with a gastric bypass since she's already pre-diabetic, although her bmi is just under the limit for this type of tx.   Her mom is nervous but glad to see she's getting tx for her problems!

    Yep: I'm the skinny mostly vegan athletic one in the family who got cancer. Go figure.

    Claire in AZ

  • Shayne
    Shayne Member Posts: 1,500
    edited February 2013

    I drink on occasion - and think with everything, all the risks factors of hormones in food, plastics, the environmental toxins we live with every day - adds to the risks - and alcohol is just another one on top of all that.  Ive had so many friends dx with bc this year, that some are looking at the water that we drink in AZ because of the mining that is done here. 

    My fathers mother drank every day, hard alcohol.....mean as a wet cat......lived to be 95 years old - never had cancer. Go figure.

  • kestrelgurl
    kestrelgurl Member Posts: 266
    edited February 2013

    Shayne, I grew up in AZ and have lived most of my adult life here. Drank well water for the majority of those years, including some that was stored in a home-made "water tank" out in the wilds of Northern AZ. Never really thought about it until you mentioned it. Even prior to DX, I refused to drink Tucson water and we go with bottled.

    I honestly think that the years of oxidative stress from heavy exercise was also a contributor and I wonder if we'll see an increase in BC and other cancers in this new generation of endurance athletes.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2013

    I'm thinking that my rad exposure and my pheochromocytoma (which caused enormous physical stress on my body for about 7 years) contributed to my damned dx.

    No one else in my family has this stuff or cancer in general, except my aunt, who died two years ago from stomach cancer probably also related to nuclear fallout.

    Claire in AZ

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