What are follow up protocols for III stage BC survivors.

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lovujja
lovujja Member Posts: 119

Hi,

I was diagnosed BC III C stage on 11/11 and i completed my all treatments on 07/12. Thanks to God and medical advancement, Life has been better. Hope to be fully healthy and happy for many years to come; :).

I go to Mayo clinic in every 3/4 months for follow up checkup. So far I have been getting two services: Blood works and physical checkup by my oncologist. My onco told Mayo don’t do any other test and scan unless blood works and/or physical exam find some abnormal or clt reports some issues.

Some time I feel I am not getting enough services, I might be wrong.

I like to hear from other III stage BC survivors what kind of follow up services you have been getting, specially in the first two years.

In general, what are survivars expectations?

What to concern and what not to concern.

Thanks a lot.

Lovujja.

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  • lkc
    lkc Member Posts: 1,203
    edited February 2013

    I was dxed May 2005 and was followed up every few months and had cbcs, chemistries and tumor markers at each followup. At 5yrs ( I think?) I started every 6 months.

    The 3 week rule is a pretty good one. If there are pains that get worse or do not subside in 3 weeks time, you should get it checked out.

  • karen1956
    karen1956 Member Posts: 6,503
    edited February 2013

    I was Dx in february 2006.....I saw my onc every 3 months till I got to 5 years...now I'm a 6 month schedule.....onc does blood work/tumor markers, physical and history at each visit.....

  • lovujja
    lovujja Member Posts: 119
    edited February 2013

    @IKC and Karen1956,

    Thank you very much for your response. It gave me peace of mind. It feels I am getting good care.

    I had my blood work/tumor marker first done on 04/12, since that it has gone up to 19.6 U/ml from 16.6u/ml; it is not abnormal but i am little concern.Some reason my liver function went up little bit (again not abnormal). AST (GOT),  ALT (GPT) S.  Let me know if you had this kind of experience.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited February 2013

    Lovujja, yes, my liver enzymes have gone up a little. It may be from femara, it may be nothing. My doc insists that they do not freak unless it actually goes above normal, and by some fair bit.

    As for the tumor markers, he told me that they are very unreliable, and that he mainly takes them to have another tool, however imperfect, in the box. They look for a pattern. Some people always have highish TMs, other always have low ones. If there is a consistent change, they may start looking for a cause.

    I get a full battery of staging scans once a year for the first 2 years after surgery. The next and last ones are in October. If they are clean, we will drop to a chest X-ray and a liver ultrasound once a year, instead of the nuclear scans. 

    Before chemo I had a heart ultrasound, and they did a follow-up to that this year to make sure my heart was still OK (it was :) ) because epirubicin/adriamycin can be heart toxic.

  • clariceak
    clariceak Member Posts: 752
    edited February 2013

    My onc only does bloodwork every 3 months, a chest x-ray annually and I'm now seeing her only twice a year.   She wants to limit radiation exposure so we haven't done any other scans although I am scheduled for my first bone scan since my original dx this year.

    Momini - you seem to have one of the most comprehensive follow-up schedules I've seen for our stage.  May I ask where you are being treated?

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited February 2013

    Clarice, I am being treated in Greece, in the private system. My surgeon is certified here and in the UK, my onc is certified here and in the US, where he also went to medical school. They have been aggressive both with treatment and follow-up. They consider the 2 years after surgery critical, because of the high risk of mets/recurrence in that time frame.

  • lovujja
    lovujja Member Posts: 119
    edited February 2013

    @ Clariceak and momine: Thank you very much for your repply. It really makes sense for us who are new and don't no what is a norm. it might be different in different places but it is very good to know what to expect and what to worry (some how!).

    I am very happy Momine you are taken care very well. I had bone density test after i finished with my radiation and have to do every two year. they did on EKG and chest x-ray on the begining and at the middle of Chemo as well as after surgery. Some survivars have advised me not to freak out too much and not to get too many scans and xrays.

    Clarice, it seems you and i am getting same care, i see my Onco in every 3 months so far.

    it is very good to know what kind of follow up protocal for BC survivars' have in different part of the world/state's health care system.

  • hopefour
    hopefour Member Posts: 459
    edited February 2013

    See my Onco every six months for blood work, tumor markers ( which I had to beg for) and phyiscal. If there is a question with blood work and needs to be watched he does every three months. He does not do scans. See MD Anderson once a year and they don't do tumor markers or scans. I may ask to be seen every three months after reading these replies. Thanks

  • mary625
    mary625 Member Posts: 1,056
    edited February 2013

    Momine--you are lucky.  Women in the U.S. are not getting the staging done periodically after treatment.  I guess it's not the "standard of care."  I get so sick of those words!  We can only get scans if there are symptoms to warrant them. 

  • lovujja
    lovujja Member Posts: 119
    edited February 2013

    Unfortunatelly, USA has most money for cancer but we don't get good treatment. If you are poltician or reach you have access to all the best facilities and doctors. But middle class people like us has very little choice even with insurance. I feel sorry for those who gets BC and don't have insurance.

    I just heard in the news that University of Minnesota has breakthrogh research findings on BC gene.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited February 2013

    Mary, I do feel like I am in good hands. Many Greeks asked why I chose to stay here for treatment instead of going to the US. They tend to think that everything is bigger and better in America, but I gave birth to my daughter in a US hospital and had very poor care that gave me chronic pain for 20 years (until a Greek surgeon patiently fixed the problem for me). 

    The scans are controversial. But my docs feel that the load is worth it the first two years after a DX like mine.

    My breast surgeon was for years the head of the breast surgeons' association here and he goes to all the international conferences on breast cancer. He claims that he has a few tricks up his sleeve for taking lymph nodes, for example, that he feels reduce the risk of lymphedema. He has tried to interest American colleagues in his techniques, but they dismiss him because he is Greek (perfectly dressed, perfect English, 30 years of practice). My surgeon told me, unprompted and based on what he has seen there, that he did not recommend going to the US for treatment. 

    However, I repeat, I have excellent private insurance and am being treated in a private hospital. The public system here is in quite a shambles, due to the crisis, and I have no idea what goes on there. Also do keep in mind that my insurance only covers limited testing, so I shell out about 1500 dollars a year for tests.

  • Lexie_Ann
    Lexie_Ann Member Posts: 34
    edited February 2013

    this is great to know. I am wondering what will happen when I finish all treatments. I have surgery on 2/27 and they said rads after 6 weeks. Reconstruction 6 months later. Thank you for sharing

  • mary625
    mary625 Member Posts: 1,056
    edited February 2013

    Momine--I do believe that health care is better in many countries other than the U.S., for example, Germany. I feel that the strict adherence to the standard of care developed from studies often flies in the face of common sense. For example, it's my understanding that we don't get the scans here because a study found that women only live 2 weeks longer with mets discovered by scans rather than symptoms. But it just seems to be common sense to me to try to find the mets as soon as possible if they are there and start treatment.

  • jennyboog
    jennyboog Member Posts: 1,322
    edited February 2013

    My other onc. was going by symptoms only and didn't do TM's.   I now go to another onc. who does bloodwork and TM's every 3 mths and scans once a year.  I think you're getting about the same as most of us do, some dr's are much more cautious than others.

  • lovujja
    lovujja Member Posts: 119
    edited February 2013

    Hi Jennyboog,

    It is very good that you found another Onco who is more through. How you found out this new one, justs curious. I am afraid loosing my old one but same time not satisfied with from the begining even it has big name, Mayo Clinic. I want to some one like yours who is more cautious. Main reason is it is not convinent, i have to drive more than 1 hour each way for my visit.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited February 2013

    Mary, I agree. My thinking is that even if I won't live any longer if I catch mets early, I might at least live better. That may not matter to medical statisticians, but it certainly matters to me.

  • clariceak
    clariceak Member Posts: 752
    edited February 2013

    Sometimes I hear that oncs have told their patients it doesn't make any difference if you catch mets early, which doesn't make sense to me.  If liver mets are caught early, and are small and not distributed throughout the liver, surgery is an option.  The same with brain mets.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited February 2013

    Clarice, I imagine it is because once you have mets, even if early mets are "culled," they will keep coming and will eventually kill you. But my thinking is like yours. If the mets are small/early and can be removed or zapped or whatever, it would presumably give me a better life, even if the total time ends up being the same. But what the heck do I know.

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