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  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited January 2013

    around, my arm starts hurting and feels bigger, just like my belly and face can get bloated

    Carola

    I hope you will take  a few mins. and visit the lymphedema thread  as those very well may be symptoms.  Let's hope NOT, but if so, you surely would wnant to have it evaluated early.

    Best wishes to you!

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited January 2013

    NYCmom, glad Falk was able to fix you up. Mediven does make an all-in-one sleeve and gauntlet. I had those but they are very uncomfortable and gnaw your hand where the thumb meets your palm. It is also much easier to take off the gauntlet for washing hands etc than having to remove all the gear and then put it on again.

  • NYCMOM3
    NYCMOM3 Member Posts: 61
    edited January 2013

    Oh, I didn't think of handwashing!!!  I'm sure I would have the first time I actually have to wear it! :)

    Does anyone carry a different purse since surgery? I find that a conventional shoulder bag is really uncomfortable. I always carried on my left side, and of course that is the side of my surgery. I bought a backpack and am much more comfy with that. But today I bought a lot of groceries and put them in one reusable shopping bag and it was uncomfortable on my right shoulder, I felt so imbalanced!

  • Carola32
    Carola32 Member Posts: 206
    edited January 2013

    Purple, thank you for the advice! That's very sweet of you.

    Yay NYCMom, happy Falk could help you. Sounds like an exciting job you have, although I'm guessing tiring too..I'll doublecheck about gauntlets, better safe than sorry. About purses, yup, doctors told me to never again wear a 'conventional one' and I found it awful too. I was going to Denmark for a concert a couple of months after surgery and went looking for 'a bag worn across the shoulder' (in French 'bandoulière', this is what it said in the dictionaryWink) and found the perfect one in a second hand store, what a relief! (I found it on the floor, laying around, 'Ok, this will do, it's black leather with handles and the possibility to wear it across the shoulder' I thought) so I snatched it, paid a mere 20$ and left, when I got home and started packing I saw it was actaully a designer purse, woohooo!) To have both hands free is amazing. Today, one year and a half postsurgery, I can carry a small bag of groceries in a linen tote on my shoulder, but only exceptionally. Beware though, I used my 'good arm' far too much and carried heavy bags and such (Christmas shopping of course grrr) so I actually tore a muscle under my scapula (dictionary again!) on my 'good' side..Silly goose Tongue Out

  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited January 2013

    . I bought a backpack and am much more comfy with that.

    NYC MOM
    I hate to be  a bubble buster, but pls be careful.  In case of truncal LE, there is a possibility a backpack  could aggravate or flare.

    IMHO, I have lightened  my bag, and I carry most loads  ' on the good side' with a helping hand from the left if need be.  I do not put heavy totes over my shoulder or over my elbow crease area where there are lymph nodes. I do try to ' balance ' the weight- most going on the good side and  just a help from the left.

    It's a pain , but  LE and increased swelling is far worse.

    Good Luck !

  • NYCMOM3
    NYCMOM3 Member Posts: 61
    edited January 2013

    The backpack I carry is very light. Definitely better than a shoulder bag. I am careful to not load it too heavy when possible. My equipment is sometimes in a backpack type of case as well but I try to keep it light as well. The straps are really built well so that the weight is even. But I wear it on my right side only when I can. Gets really clumsy though and I end up banging into people!!!



    I have a nice satchel type bag that I can obviously carry in my right hand but will have to retrain myself!!! I have quite a few sling bags too but always find them annoying after a while. And when they get heavy my back goes nuts (I have scoliosis and have always had a hard time with asymmetry in bags) If only we were back in the 80's an fanny packs were cool again. Hahahaaa!!!

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited January 2013

    NYC, I also have scoliosis as well as a herniated disk, so with LE added to the mix it has been a bit interesting at times.

    If I have to schlep a lot of stuff, I take some sort of bag with wheels.

  • NYCMOM3
    NYCMOM3 Member Posts: 61
    edited January 2013

    Yeah... it's hard living in a city, wheeling stuff around. But I do it. When my daughter was little, I preferred using a front carrier and later a backpack to carry her - hated strollers! But, you do what ya gotta do. 

    On another note, my black sleeve and gauntlet arrived tonight. I didn't have a chance to try it on but will now. The nice thing is that they're so thin, so I found a cute little cosmetic bag to roll them up in. There's room for my second set when it arrives too! Hoping I don't have to use them a lot but SO relieved that I have them. 

    I don't know if it's my brain playing tricks on me, but my elbow and forearm have been feeling weird. I'm going to a lymphedema talk on Thursday with the family (dragging them along so they keep on me about self care!) Should be interesting. I hate having so many things to think about. But, glad to be alive - of course! :)

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited January 2013

    NYC, yes, early stages or light flares of LE can manifest as a funky feeling or even pain. When that happens, it is a good idea to lie down for 20 minutes with the arm elevated and then put on the sleeve.

    In the beginning I was completely overwhelmed by the arm business. Now, 18 months later, I have gotten used to it and am able to manage it without having it crowd me.

    I hear you on wheels in the big city, but the thing is to keep trying different things until you find a way that works and that you can live with. I have several big dogs and they are not super-trained, so they pull at times. To walk them, I put the leash on a belt. It may look funny, but it works.

  • NYCMOM3
    NYCMOM3 Member Posts: 61
    edited January 2013

    I love the idea of the leashes on your belt! Hysterical! :)

  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited January 2013

    I take some sort of bag with wheels.

    Smart thinking, Momine ! Wink

    Btw, do you have to wear a sleeve and glove daily, as I do OR ????

    NYCMOM
    Glad you are going to the LE talk and hope you are ' all clear.!

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited January 2013

    Purple, I wore a sleeve daily until this fall. Now I can usually get away with wearing it only for trips to the gym, travel and if I feel it acting up. 

  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited January 2013

    Momine

    How's that ?!
    What made you better  ? Do tell, please.

  • NYCMOM3
    NYCMOM3 Member Posts: 61
    edited January 2013

    I tried on my sleeve tonight to model for the family. It actually didn't feel bad. I don't love the gauntlet, but overall, it's not horrible. I wish the hand part was a little shorter on the fingers. We'll see how the other one is, maybe I can shorten it a little? Also the cuff on the gauntlet bags a little over the sleeve. Can I put something there? Maybe a cute leather cuff, something that would lay flat but not be too tight. Ah, the things we do. 

    And yes - how the heck did you go from wearing to not? I'm told I shouldn't unless I feel weird or compromised. I'll learn more tomorrow, hopefully! I just wish it wasn't so freezing out - I swear my expander doubles as an ice pack!!! Brrrr.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited January 2013

    Purple and NYC, the swelling was not huge at any time (about + 3cms) and mostly in my upper arm and back of armpit. I started wearing a sleeve and getting regular lymph-draining massage about 8 weeks after my mastectomy. 

    I then continued wearing the sleeve and getting a massage weekly (with a few breaks for holidays and the like) for about 6 months. At that point, the swelling was gone, but I could still feel the lymph fluid backing up, and it still does in certain situations. For that reason I am supposed to continue with the sleeve anytime the arm is likely to get annoyed: flying, gym, hot weather, shopping etc.

    I also kept (and keep) to a good diet, low-glycemic and anti-inflammatory, and made sure to get some exercise every day. The lymph system is a form of circulation and the movement of your muscles help move the lymph fluid around. Most days that meant doing the stretches prescribed by the PT 2X and going for a walk, so nothing drastic.

    The main bitch of it is that there is no quick fix and prevention is 9/10ths of the game. So you do have to get a routine going that deals with it on an ongoing basis and you have to take action as soon as it acts up.

    I should add that I probably was just lucky that mine responded well to intervention. Also, here in Greece PT is a lot cheaper than in the US, so each 1-hour massage with a very competent and nice  therapist costs 40 euros. In other words, I was able to just pay it out of pocket as necessary. 

    Finally, if I wear a bra, I almost immediately get fluid backing up in my armpit. If I leave it on too long it then starts creeping into the arm. As a result I avoid bras. I have come up with various homemade camisoles and things to hold the foobs.

  • NYCMOM3
    NYCMOM3 Member Posts: 61
    edited January 2013

    Interesting! Glad you have it under control. I am worried about my bra - but I only had one side removed. It would have been easier if I'd gotten rid of both - at least for this time period with clothing/bras etc. 

    We went to the lymphedema workshop, and it was good. A lot of info on prevention etc. I was told the sleeve and gauntlet are good to fly with in my bag. If I note any swelling I can just pop them on, and was told to leave them on for the duration of the flight, never take off in the air as that would instantly change the pressure. Some flights I make are quite far, so that was a good bit of info to hear. I'm glad my daughter and hubby came along too - it was a lot and now they can help me visually check. Funny, since it's on my left side, I'll know if my wedding ring doesn't fit any longer! I've switched my watch to the right arm already. But she said I shouldn't worry much about the backpack/bag situation - as long as I'm comfy and not lugging around tons of stuff. Also, with the flying and performing and luggage, it's been my life for a long time, and my body is used to it. I am looking forward to being done with radiation so I have some energy to get back to working out. I'm going to try and do a little daily (though I walk at least an hour a day). It just feels like so much all at once - the surgery, radiation, lymph worries, medication paranoia. 

    The good news is I've been successfully sprouting broccoli seeds! Delicious! And easy! I would highly recommend it if you're interested. I also bought the pills but the sprouts are amazing. My daughter even loves them, and she's 11!!!  :)  

  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited January 2013

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    Sure sounds like yours was minimal, Momine and glad you seem to have controlled it!

    As for : "  I was told the sleeve and gauntlet are good to fly with in my bag. If I note any swelling I can just pop them on, and..."
    NYCMOM
    I would strongly encourage ou to visit the lymphedema threads or even just do a search there. I have not heard of popping anything on , mid-flight. No way! I'm sorry, but that just does not sound right.

    I would NOT put a leather cuff under your gauntlet. No, please do not. It does not sound as though you have been fitted properly.

    Btw, my wedding ring no longer fits and I have to wear a  sleeve and glove daily. PLEASE, take every precaution!

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited January 2013

    Purple, as I said, I think I was mostly just lucky. But I also think it is a really good idea to start taking precautions - sleeves, massage, rest etc - as soon as it feels even a little funky. Before I get actual swelling, I get pain and heaviness. In the beginning I thought that was nerves regenerating, now I know better. So it is also about getting to know how your body deals with this particular trauma.

  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited January 2013

     But I also think it is a really good idea to start taking precautions - sleeves, massage, rest etc - as soon as it feels even a little funky...


    I could not agree more !

  • Mini1
    Mini1 Member Posts: 1,836
    edited January 2013

    I think the flu kicked my LE up. My arm is not huge, but it's very sore. it seems to be worst at my inner elbow which is different. Usually, even if I have swelling I don't have this much discomfort. And I can't take anything for it because of this stupid flu bug.

  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited January 2013

    Mini1

    Increase your MLD as well as water intake. Limit salt.  Elevate the arm in a pillow when you lay on the couch.

    Feel better!

  • NYCMOM3
    NYCMOM3 Member Posts: 61
    edited January 2013

    I will check out the threads. But I think that they don't want me to wear the sleeve as a default - it might actually encourage problems when I don't have any. I think for a short flight it's more of a placebo effect (to keep in my bag). If I have to do any overseas flying, then I will call them and get an opinion on whether or not to wear it - but they did say to put it on before the flight if I'm feeling funky - sometimes when I travel I just get swollen, period, so perhaps for a flight home after long workdays? I'm in touch with the lymphedema expert via phone and email, and she was super nice so I can reach out to her. It's interesting how much different info is out there, seems a lot of grey area in the lymphedema world. A woman at the workshop was 5 years out of her surgery and developed it - but didn't seek help until 6 months later! I don't know if she thought it was something else, but I would have been at the doc asap. 

    Went to the gym for the first time with hubby since radiation treatment started. I'm So tired but glad we went. It was a mellow workout, light weights, slow cardio. This is my first day off in a very long time. Next week is a heavy schedule, so I'm going to take the rest of the day easy!  :)

  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited January 2013

    ? I'm in touch with the lymphedema expert via phone and email, and she was super nice so I can reach out to her.

    OK, thats good!

    I am guessing that lady did not know it was LE!
    take care with your exercise.

  • Mini1
    Mini1 Member Posts: 1,836
    edited January 2013

    Purple - I may be having a duh moment, but what is MLD?

  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited January 2013

    MLD = manual lymphatic drainage . It is the PRIMARYmaintenance  tx for LE.


    Please look it up on the LE  threads rather than youtube if interested. I think you will get more accurate info.

  • NYCMOM3
    NYCMOM3 Member Posts: 61
    edited January 2013

    If anyone has a great video link, please post? There are so many out there! Thanks!

  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited January 2013

    You can get a videolink NYCMom , but its not advisable.

    MLD is highly specialized and should be taught by a qualified LE therapist. Done incorrectly, it can cause flares or worsen things.


    In any case, if you ladies want to know more about MLD, pls visit the LE thread and do a  search.  You'll get tons of valuable info there!

  • Mini1
    Mini1 Member Posts: 1,836
    edited January 2013

    I do it. A therapist showed me how, I just didn't know there was an acromym for it.

  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited January 2013

    There sure is ! Wink

  • Mini1
    Mini1 Member Posts: 1,836
    edited January 2013

    Should've known, there's one for everything else. :-)

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