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  • bennymuffins
    bennymuffins Member Posts: 412
    edited January 2013

    Okay, a bit of news here. I called the oncology nurse and she spoke with the oncologist and he said if I can get 3 Glucerna in a day I don't have to go to the hospital. I just finished a half of one with water and ice cubes. I am VERY motivated to get this down, despite pain because I do NOT want to go back to the hospital. I am to rinse with 4 different rinses: Dr. Akabutus, Tantum, Nystatin suspension (which I swallow) and salt water, and continue with the codeine. Take a Colace after the next bowel movement (if it's solid). The bleeding in the diarrhea is probably from the heparin. She said just make drinking Glucerna and rinsing your daily mantra for now. My friend Evelyn (an RN) was just here (God bless her) and she brought me some Glucerna and ice cream and made some ice cubes for me. She also took the stool specimen with her. The oncology nurse said it is possible I could forstall the progression of the mucositis if I just keep rinsing so that is what I am going to do. Rinsing and Glucerna, rinsing and Glucerna, etc.

    Thank you Scottie and Nihahi and everyone for the support. I am sorry I am being such a giant pain in the ass at the moment but it is very difficult living alone and going through this, especially when there is no template for normalcy. 

    At least I feel like I have an action plan and knowing that I can stay out of the hospital with 3 Glucerna seems like an achievable task at this point. I will likely lose more weight but I hate the hospital. As long as the codeine holds out......

  • Hope999
    Hope999 Member Posts: 46
    edited July 2018

    Bennymuffins, while I don't know your entire treatment history I can sort of relate to what you're going through.  I've had the huge, 2" black bruise from the IV (took months to disappear); another time pain where the needle bent trying to get it into my arm.  Before my last chemo, on Dec. 24th, 2012 they couldn't find a vein and ended up putting it underneath my forearm.  Didn't even know that was possible.

    During the 6 months of chemo I never, ever felt well due to the brutal chemo drugs.  There were several times when a sip of water would send me into excrutiating pain.  I went days without eating much too.  The toilet would be full of fresh blood with the diarrhea which happened several times a day. There was horrible pain going down my whole digestive tract and there were days where I could barely lift my head.  Then I had the bloody, pus-filled sores over my body and to top it off horrible, horrible muscle spasms from the Cisplatin.  Apparently I wasn't complaining enough and got told off by the hospital staff, lol.

    I was positive that my whole digestive tract was ruined and I would never be the same.  But here it is not quite a month later and I feel on top of the world.  I'm eating too much now and need to lose weight.  Watch your diet during the times you feel like eating - raw vegetables and fruits were not my friends during this time.  Like you, I said that I would never, ever go through it again even if it meant saving my life, but it's like childbirth, you forget.

    Keep a positive attitude because it will soon be over.  Try not to dwell too much on things because you will have a lot of down time when your mind will wander.  And in the end the doctors will congratulate you too on getting through it!

    I'll be at the finish line waiting for you.

  • Scottiee1
    Scottiee1 Member Posts: 2,329
    edited January 2013

    Bennymuffin you are NOT a pain in the ass!!!! You are just frightened, but know that you are not alone here. Start slowly with the Glucerna....digestive system has to adjust, so it's good that you are diluting at the moment. .



    A plan of action always makes us feel better. I hope it works.



    We are all here for you and everybody here cares for you, so please, if this plan does not work out, take the other plan and get back to the hospital, where there are people who care also. Take Nihahi up on her offer if necessary....you would do the same for her!!!



    PS ...please keep posting in between resting.

  • bennymuffins
    bennymuffins Member Posts: 412
    edited January 2013

    Oh Nihahi, just saw your last post. Thank you for caring. I have been up front with all of them but I think that's the problem.... ALL of them. I have been dealing with my MO, his 3 assistants (one who wouldn't give me the sucralfate), his oncology nurse and her assistant, plus numerous (and I mean NUMEROUS) doctors, nurses, oncologists, and residents) at the hospital. Those ones do not seem to know which hand is doing what? They read a chart then come talk to me with limited information. It's so odd because before I got sick I was a social worker for people in long term care, and let me tell you, I was a mover and a shaker and I worked for my clients. I advocated for them. But I have to say this whole system needs an overhaul. It really needs a fix-up. Not my job now, but it's staying in the back of my head for later. I will provide feedback, constructive, with suggestions, but I can't let this slide. I don't know if your experience was a good one or not but mine really has not been, and it's not okay.

  • bennymuffins
    bennymuffins Member Posts: 412
    edited January 2013

    Hope, I am sitting here in tears reading your post, which is not good because it makes my membranes swell up worse! I am so happy you feel better now. Thank you for posting ♥  I can relate to a lot of what you're saying. I doubt my digestive system will ever be normal again. It hurts to swallow water! The oncologist said it would all heal but I have my doubts as it's so far gone now, or so it feels. And my arm looks so bad, black, blue, purple, swollen, it's such a mess. My friend Ev said it would likely be bad for quite some time unfortunately. I am putting ice packs on it for now. It is so encouraging to read your story. Thank you! I so desperately want to see that finish line.

  • liefie
    liefie Member Posts: 2,440
    edited January 2013

    Benny, just want to add to what Scottiee had said. Please never ever think that you are a pain in the ass. We want you to tell us exactly what is going on with you, and to post regularly. You are living alone, and we want to be your lifeline and your sounding board. I have been following you from the beginning, and I really care about you, as do all the others here. Please promise me that you will go get help if you don't get better today. As a dietician Scottiee can tell you better than I can how important it is to get enough fluids to prevent dehydration. Dehydration can happen in a very short time, so you must stay on top of it. Sorry for the sermon, but we want you to be okay.

  • bennymuffins
    bennymuffins Member Posts: 412
    edited January 2013

    Thanks Liefie ♥ It's so wonderful to have this support. I could not have made it this far without you and everyone here, no way. I think I would have seen a very bad end. I am drinking water and now have a plan to drink my Glucerna an hour after each codeine tablet. So far today I have about 1500 ml of water in and a half a Glucerna but will get more in tonight. I hope it works as I HATE plan B. My mouth is burning, my esophagus is burning, but the thrush in my mouth is looking a bit less severe, so there's hope. I'm not out of the woods yet but I feel better than I did awhile ago. I so want to be finished with it all, it's been a long and extremely unpleasant rough ride for me. Day 6; just 6 days since the chemo. It's not even been a week and it feels like it's been 3 weeks.

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited January 2013

    Dear Benny, I understand what you are saying, and agree that "educating" your docs, nurses, etc. when you are ready to do so is so very important. I hope you don't feel I was trying to minimize what you have been going through. No, I cannot say my cancer experience was a good one. It was years ago, and the journey was basically one of "you have cancer, this is what we are going to do to you". 

    I guess I was trying to present thoughts from my side of the fence. I was a therapist on the burn unit at Foothills for many years. I know that most of what I "did" to my patients seemed horribly cruel and uncaring, but I know how necessary it was to put them through the dressing changes and exercises. I think you will be a wonderful advocate for future patients when you have regained "yourself" and had some time pass. Many (but obviously not all) of your experiences are a result of "the system" not necessarily the "person". But I do understand how it doesn't feel that way, because to you(us), cancer is such a personal thing. 

    Glad to hear you had someone drop by, be careful with the ice cream because of the sugar in it. 

  • liefie
    liefie Member Posts: 2,440
    edited January 2013

    So glad you are feeling a little better, Benny. Once you have healed from this, you never have to do it again. I pray that this will turn around soon, and that you can be back to our old self. (((HUGS!!!))) Keep on drinking!

  • scouser47
    scouser47 Member Posts: 963
    edited January 2013

    Benny, so glad you are getting something down. Did you ever try club soda ? It contains bi carbonate of soda / baking soda and does help the burning pipes ease some. Let it go flat if you dont want the bubbles to give you gas.Also handful of baking soda in warm bath will ease your poor bottom I couldn't have got through the last lot without both of these.I know it wasn't as bad as yours but to me it seemed like the worse thing I had ever experienced at the time.
    Will check back in the morning, drink lots and try and sleep. x

    You sisters are all wonderful bless each and every one of you x

  • Scottiee1
    Scottiee1 Member Posts: 2,329
    edited January 2013

    Bennymuffin....yes, please make sure you keep drinking as dehydration will,land you back whether you want it or not.....trust me, I have had experience with that. Don't rush the Glucerna....keep diluting until tomorrow, then start to up it a bit.



    We're here, don't forget that....it means anytime!!!!,

  • bearcub
    bearcub Member Posts: 485
    edited January 2013

    Benny, I am so sorry you have had such a terrible time, Try and rest and healing hugs being sent your way. My first IV I had just above my wrist and I ended up with a bruise that was embarrassing, looked like I had been manhandled...all the others have been good though.

    Benny make sure you see the dietician as soon as you are able, you need to keep up your strength.

    Nahiha your pictures are beautiful. I was going to write that I haven't really seen any wildlife lately and then on my way to rads I saw a moose in a neighbours yard this morning. It surprised me as I haven't seen to many moose this year...I love to see them just not on the highways.



    Everyone stay safe....and have a good week!







  • Traii
    Traii Member Posts: 1,138
    edited January 2013

    Benny, my gosh girl you know how to worry your sisters hey!! Well bless your darling RN friend for coming over with the Glucerna and ice cream and making you ice. Its moments like these that even these little things people do are a big help to us. Laughing

    You are a gorgeous warrior cowgirl.....Di is just waiting for you to get better so you can go riding again, you WILL get better , its a bump in the road and unfortunately your bump is a little bigger than others but you will  get there because despite you saying you are not strong YOU ARE.....you are drinking the Glucerna because you don't want to land yourself back in hospital right ? So this shows us all how STRONG you are so don't deny yourself girl.

    Nihani, you are a a lovely person for offering your help with Benny despite not knowing how far she is from you......just as Websister is there for Benny for her appointments,despite having her own health, family and darling mother to worry about she still finds time to help Benny, oh everyone else a lending hand about her helpful hints and tips:) .... there are very few of you women left in the world that show care and compassion for others xx

    Keep us posted Benny on how you are doing......hope you can get something down today......thinking of you our dear bennymuffin cowgirl xxx

    Dakota, you are a true battler, f that husband of yours off, that has made me so damn mad...... you are going through such an ordeal yet you are here for your sisters as we are here for you, your kids have your strength, you really do ROCK it sister.....luv ya xx

    Hope everyone else is having a good day.......finishing work soon then off to physio to measure this damn fluid in my arm (  going up and down like a yo you and driving me crazy then off to visit with Plastic Surgeon, think not only will I get perky boobies, but might get the lyposuction of the butt and tummy too...hmmm now thats a good thought...lol ) take care xxx

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited January 2013

    Traii...hope the lymphadema can get sorted out soon for you. What a pain, eh! Hope the PS appt. went well too. Wednesday is my LONG awaited PSurgery consult, and it cannot come soon enough. Of course, there will still be the wait for the actual surgery, but at least it'll seem like some progress at last.

    The flower/wildlife photos are from various hikes of last spring/summer. Yes Edi, that is a moose, a baby one. I really want to have the recon surgery soon, so I can go hiking again. I've been able to do some snowshoeing, but I think skiing is not going to happen this year, which, like lesleyanne, I really, really miss doing.

    Thanks for the group reiki healing too, I truly believe it exists. I was doing some qigong this afternoon, sending healing energy to all of us, too. 

    Websister..I had bruises on top of bruises during and for awhile after chemo. Looked like someone had taken a bat to my legs. But I never remembered any bangs or bumps. I think everything just gets thrown out of whack from the drugs, poor nutrition, and stress. Hope your tamoxifen troubles settle down soon, it took a couple months for me, but like I've said before, the other chemo was certainly worse re: side effects. 

    Carla....how's it going?

    Hugs to all.

  • Bevlee
    Bevlee Member Posts: 28
    edited January 2013

    Bennymuffin xxx I hope you're feeling better.  I have been thinking of you and hoping for some joy for you ... we're all in this together sister XXX I'm lookin forward to celebrating our good health one day XXX

    Bearcub, I can't believe you saw a moose!!!  That's awesome!  In someone's garden!!???  LOL

    Big Loves to everyone else.. Traii, Edi, Websister, Dakota and new friends xxx

    PS:  I have a capful of aloe vera juice daily when my mouth gets all foul.. it seems heaps better.  

  • 65andcounting
    65andcounting Member Posts: 9
    edited January 2013

    Hello bennymuffins , wondering How Are  You ???

    Read your posts , was told I have BC Dec.28Th (need lumpectomy and Radiation). This roller coaster ride began last Oct. 2012

    Waiting is 1 of  the hardest things to do.

    Met the surgeon on Jan2ND .She was reassuring ,  but I  wonder is this primary or secondary????

    My mother had BC  it went into her bones, she was 65 .

    I just turned 65! 

     Lumpectomy  surgery scheduled Feb.27Th .

    Such a long time to worry , stress  is it growing is it getting into lymph nodes etc.

    Will be a zombie before the surgery !

    Wondering if you have any suggestions on how to cope since you already walked this Journey???

    Thanking you or anyone for useful advice it is muchly appreciated.

    I have been cleaning , discarding  items, re-arranging cupboards etc. Busy during the day it's the night when I awake and the mind wanders in a Dark Place.

    Hope your doing greattttttt Love to hear from you . A  Sister Canuck.

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited January 2013

    BEVLEE!!!! Great to see you again, we've all been hoping you're doing ok.

    65...That's been a long wait for you for sure! There are a bunch of us canucks on this thread, and some AMAZING ladies from all over the world. I'm stunned you have such a long wait for your lumpectomy. Spend as much time as you can with positive people to support you. You're doing great during the day it sounds, but sleepless nights will just amp up your stress. (I can identify with that one!). Have you asked your doc for sleep meds? Can your family doc advocate for getting you in sooner? We all wish you well.

    Benny.........how's things?

  • Scottiee1
    Scottiee1 Member Posts: 2,329
    edited January 2013

    Bennymuffin.....how are you? Are you feeling any better today? You are in my thoughts ❤

  • bearcub
    bearcub Member Posts: 485
    edited January 2013

    Bevlee it was in a neighbours yard in the deep snow, they have a river (Salmon River) just behind the house, I am sure he had been there looking for a drink of water.



    65 sorry you are in this situation but you have come to the right place, these ladies are full of information and support. That does seem to be a bit of a wait for surgery, I had my surgery exactly 1 month after, and that felt forever... Have you spoken to the surgeon about your worries?

    Getting everything in order house wise is a good idea, for the dark hours ask the doctor for a sleep aid if you need it. I was given a low dose lorazepam as I broke out in a nervous rash after DX. Take care, you are not alone.



    Benny, carlads hope your okay. Traii hope your arm is feeling better.



    Off to rads, 14/16....boob is feeling a bit sore, and a bit pink but I can do this. 2 more after today!!



    Have a super fantastic day everyone!

  • scouser47
    scouser47 Member Posts: 963
    edited January 2013

    Bevlee !!! where have  you been ? thought you had been barbequed in the fires Cry So glad you are still here, phew. How you keeping ?x

    Bearcub, I want a moose in my back yard !! they are super cute.You are smashing through the rads, hope to be not far behind you soon. Consultant said they might overlap them with next chemo. Talk about adding insult to injury lol. Wig just gone flying across the room, prickles are catching in it and itching like mad, baldy is beautiful. yay x

    Benny, bless your cotton socks, you are really being so brave, don't ever think that the sisters will give up on you, so don't you even think about losing hope. You have had lots of the Red Devil and sure it has massacred all remaining bad cells. Hope you are getting some nourishment ? x

    nihahi, hope healing reaches everyone. Trying quigong via youtube, loving it ! Don't do going out to strange places at the moment. Confidence gone, afraid I will have a panic attack.
    Baby moose sooo sweet.
    Will be thinking of you tomorrow, one step nearer yay !x

    Traii, you are so right. some amazing ladies on here, if the world had more of them it would be a better place. x

    DH and I have spent ALL day picking a new bathroom, think the girl in the store wanted to kick him, he needs every detail of everything !! She was so patient, Fingers crossed all will be done in a few weeks.Smile can't wait only took seven years to get DH to get it done.

    Better give him dinner he looks quite weak, his wallet looks even weaker.

    Lovsya all xx

  • scouser47
    scouser47 Member Posts: 963
    edited January 2013

    65, Sorry just scrolled back and had missed your post ! I turned 65 in November and I ain't going anywhere !!
    You hang in there, waiting is the worst part as all the sisters will tell you.
    Don't compare yourself with anyone please.
    I had lumpectomy Sept, chemo for past four monthd and will go on for another 4 months then 25 rads, you are going to do great.

    Stay with us and we will advise if we can or point you to the best advice if we don't know.
    Sorting out, good if it keeps your mind occupied. Lack of sleep not good but this will improve, get up put on TV watch silly movie, have a milky drink, you will get there.
    Keep posting this is a lifeline to normality x

    EDI

  • nihahi
    nihahi Member Posts: 3,841
    edited January 2013

    Back from doing some errands...still no Benny?????

    Edi, you wouldn't want any size moose in your backyard, or elk, or deer.....if you have shrubs or trees. They consider those things to be free meals! I'm trying to find the photos I took of the moose I almost skied into last year. He was a stubborn guy and showed up in the parking lot at the end of the day. They like to lick the road salt off cars in the winter. If I can find it, I'll post it for you. Warning....he was bigger than you think!!!!!! A new bathroom, cool, of course we want details!!!!!! Your confidence will come back, but I understand how sometimes now you feel like there is a giant "C" flashing over your head for everyone to see. I often found that when people thought I was handling things really well, is when I actually felt most exposed and depressed. The disconnect is hard to sort through, but give yourself credit for what you've been through. Your doing awesome!!!!!!!!!!! Has the ice age receeded yet for England?

    Traii, hope your physio and PS appts went well yesterday. There are so many choices for reconstruction out there now, that were not possible 20+ years ago. I am desperately hoping that I will be approved tomorrow for the type of recon I'm hoping for. I've forgotten (again) how to sort out the time/day difference, so for all I know you could be reading this message in July!

    Bearcub - glad to hear the moose wasn't on the road!

    Heading out again, trying to stay busy before tomorrow's appt. Could use some "pocket pals"!

  • Scottiee1
    Scottiee1 Member Posts: 2,329
    edited January 2013

    Nihahi.....I think you will need large pockets.......you have so many wonderful friends

    here ....I will be one of them, certainly. I wish you nothing but good luck for tomorrow.

  • liefie
    liefie Member Posts: 2,440
    edited January 2013

    Waiting to hear from Benny - I sincerely hope she is doing okay.

    Bearcub, speaking of moose on the road, we once almost hit one east of Edmonton. It came running straight for the busy Highway 16, jumped the fence, ran onto the road, then stopped in its tracks right in front of our car. DH slammed on the brakes, and we came to a dead stop. The bewildered moose looked around, turned in its tracks, and ran back the way it came. Scary. Up close a moose bears a close resemblance to a camel - not pretty. I've heard people call them swamp donkeys - lol.

    Nihahi, will be with you in the spirit tomorrow.

    Welcome back, Bevlee! Good to hear you sounding so upbeat. Aloe vera juice? Do you take sugar with it? Just joking.

    65, so sorry that you have to be here. Although our reason for being here is really serious, and most of us have lost some body parts, we have not lost our sense of humour, and that is what keeps us going. Keeping busy is the best thing you can do under the circumstances. Cancer normally grows slowly, and it takes years for a lump to form, so you can relax about that. Worry won't change the outcome, but it does cause stress, and sucks the joy out of living. It is what it is, so try to relax, and go with the flow. Hugs to you!

  • scouser47
    scouser47 Member Posts: 963
    edited January 2013

    nihahi, Ha ha don't think any of those creatures would be welcome in DH's garden. Squirrels are about the biggest threat around here.

    Liefie can't wait to see the Moose that looked like a camel. Can you imagine Edi sitting on a very big camel while he glided across sand dunes in Bahrain ? I can assure you it was wonderful. DH took loads of pics but no one believes me because his camera was faulty and none turned out !
    I was gutted ,even the arab owner was impressed that I looked so at home, DH thinks I may have been Lawrence of Arabia in a past life lol.

    nihahi ( part two ) you are so right about the confidence. As you can see from camel story usually nothing fazes this old biddy but these panic's are so destructive.Feel safe only in places I know well.
    Bathroom should be good, after 5 hrs of discussions, and looking at brochures, all picked. Will send pic when it's done and I can figure out how.
    Ice age defo melting thank goodness. Government excuse is, as snow doesn't happen that often therefore. we don't invest in anything to make it easier.
    With you tomorrow, wriggling around in your pockets. Good luck xx

    Scottiee, you bring the sandwiches, I'll bring the flask of coffee x

    Traii, hope all went well for you today xx

    Benny, please post x

    laters Edi x

  • Scottiee1
    Scottiee1 Member Posts: 2,329
    edited January 2013

    Sandwiches will be no problem...lol



    Ditto....Bennymuffin, please post if your are at home.

  • liefie
    liefie Member Posts: 2,440
    edited January 2013

    Edi, I can full well imagine you on a camel - Queen of the Nile or Cleopatra, no less! On a moose note, I just fished a packet of moose hamburger (mincemeat to the British) out of the freezer that DH got from a hunter patient. He just loves any game meat, and has even eaten crocodile on occasion . . . looks and tastes a bit like chicken. Grrrrrrr! So I am making mooseballs for dinner. It's like beef with a kick - LOL.

    Nihahi, I'm coming with. Will bring some leftover mooseballs. We do need some meat too!

    Benny, the radio silence is nerve-wrecking. Are you okay?

  • luvmygoats
    luvmygoats Member Posts: 2,942
    edited January 2013

    Nihahi - In your pocket tomorrow. Make it nice and warm, pleeeze.

    Dakota - (((HUGS))) to you dear girl. What an a**  D(not)H is. Feb 14th can't come soon enough.

    65andcounting - Welcome aboard this train.  Keep busy.  Get things arranged where you can reach them.  Make freezer meals.  Get button up the front shirts; easier to get into. I could not staighten arm out fully for several weeks and when I went back to work had to choose more loose fitting scrubs to be able to get into them. Check what kind of bra BS wants you to wear and shop for them.  Mine had no particular pref. so I bought front hook sports bras cheap at WalMart.  They were good for rads too as all the lotions/potions washed out of them.  The squishy look not so attractive but liked the support and still wear them for active wear.  Ask away; probably one of us has been there or can point you in the right direction.

    Bevlee - good to hear from you. How is treatment going for you?

    Traii - staying cool?  How is the arm?

    Bearcub - do I count only one more rad?  Going to celebrate tomorrow, I bet.

    Edi - Riding a camel??? Oh my.  Glad you're having the big thaw.  Nice afternoon here.

    Liefie - I previewed this and read your "mooseballs".  Just about spit out my tea on computer screen.  Does it taste like venison though I haven't had any in several years.  DH not a hunter/gatherer type more like a couch surfer type though he has been painting the patio on his vacation. But his time comes Friday. He gets the colonoscopy I went through in Dec.

    Benny oh Benny where are you????  Please post if just a word or two.  Websister or Nihahi have your heard from her?  Worried (see my big frowny face).Cry

    Been absent. Had mammo yesterday one year from diagnosis.  Radiologist said see you in 6 months for leftie.  OK so had to go shopping afterwards to celebrate.  Catching up on chores today.  I need to keep my little notepad by keyboard to take notes on everyone.  Isn't that your secret Edi?  I saw Benny's coffee cup yesterday at Marshall's.  Keep calm and carry on.

  • liefie
    liefie Member Posts: 2,440
    edited January 2013

    Luvmygoats, to me moose tastes more like beef than like venison. I treat it just like beef, and make stews, balls etc. with it. Do I detect a little glee on your part about DH's colonoscopy? LOL. Mine and his two brothers have to go through the same thing every now and then, because both their parents died of colon cancer. Not pleasant, but necessary. Glad your mammo is clear! Yay!!! I'm getting one next week of my remaining accoutrement. Lost the other one on Feb. 7 last year. So happy it is a year later.

  • luvmygoats
    luvmygoats Member Posts: 2,942
    edited January 2013

    Liefie - Ah what a nice French word and so grown up - accoutrement.

    No, not looking forward to DH's colonoscopy.  But I guess I will keep him after 37 years.

    Thanks for the shoutout about the mammo and in your pockets for your's next week.

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