More Accurate in Staging Breast Cancer
Ran across a very interesting article today.
http://www.diagnosticimaging.com/nuclear/content/article/113619/2121617
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OK not sure if this was posted just to burst my bubble, but Watch Out reading this article. It just made me feel like crap. I am so glad they can pinpoint the crap that gives me a "poor prognosis" thank you very much.
In the future please give a bummer warning.
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Yeah I read this string earlier today and was like WTHell...lol This article was a total bummer and shute I am glad they didn't perform this test on me b-c if I was one of the ones that had progression but they didn't see it well I just had 3 and half years of pure hope and health...lol
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Pure, yes, my reaction was also along the lines of "ignorance is bliss." Still, I plan to ask about this, because right now they do both a bone scan and a CT on me annually. It would be nice actually to drop that to one scan instead of two separate ones, especially if the PET is more reliable and accurate.
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Scary number with unsuspected distant metastases.
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Yes, I saw this article elsewhere as well and read that line of locally advanced having not having a good prognosis. But I took this as meaning the prognosis continues to be poorer because many stage III are actually stage IV at diagnosis. I think a true stage III has as good of a chance at long term survival as anyone else! I do think it is a good idea to have a PET scan if you are any stage. I was clinically a stage 1 and I had the PET. I was still a stage I after the PET. My one node that had mild uptake was deemed benign on the CAT Scan portion of the test. Well I had four at surgery and that puts me in the locally advanced stage IIIa category!! I think of the nodes catching the cancer, some of the cancer escaping through the blood and nodes (yes also had LVI invasion) and then the chemo killing all these escapees....I only had one PET and no other tests since then. I think it is a good practice to give all women with invasive cancer a PET at diagnosis to prevent some (not all will be prevented) future surprises but the insurance companies probably won't agree. They are expensive.
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uggghhh.... so many stage 3 are actually stage 4? so my 2 ct scans , bone scan and several chest xrays aren't enough? geezzzz. Cancer sucks
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My onc explained to me at the beginning that a lot of stage llls are actually undetected stage lVs. That is one reason they hit us so hard with the tx. And I don't rely too much on the scans. I know too many people who were clear only to become symptomatic a couple of months later. Yeah...Cancer really does suck.
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well lets just hope that hitting us really hard with treatment keeps me in remission...
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Pip, this explains why my docs snapped to right quick when I had breathing problems this summer. I was a bit taken aback, then realized that they hope for the best, but always have that nagging doubt about the actual stage.
The scans are not very reliable, as far as I can see. I had 7 cancerous nodes at surgery time. One could be felt, but none showed up on any of the scans. It used to drive me slightly nutty, but at this point I figure that if they can't see anything and I can't feel anything, then it is not a problem to just go along on the assumption that I am fine. It may turn out to have been BS, but I will have had a fine time meanwhile, so no harm, no foul.
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Momine, that is my approach too. My docs are very quick to investigate if any symptoms appear. So far, the tests done have only shown my body reacting to the aging process. However, like you, the original scans and tests were VERY unreliable in showing the extent of my cancer. I often wonder if those with lower stages that progress quickly really have more extensive bc than the tests indicate.
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Yikes!! Something else to ask my onc on Friday. Does he suspect stage 4 instead? I am asking him for a PET scan as well. I received a CT of chest, abdomen and pelvis as well as a bone scan about 2 weeks after my initial surgery where tumor was removed. All clean, that was 2011, received 2 more bone scans and 2 xrays 2012, all clean. With those scans you would think that if something was lurking it would show up?
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I'm not going to read the article, but it always made sense to me that many stage IIIs are undetected stage IVs. If someone is dxed Stage IV, "from the get go", they often can start treatment with hormonals go 2 to 3 years before further progression is detected. I would tend to think many Stage III's who progess in that time period were undetected Stage IV.
I went through every scan imaginable with my dx and I'm sure my onc suspected mets. None were found, and I'm hoping that my hard core treatment was able to blast away any lurkers.
I agree that articles like this should be include a disclaimer that contents within may be depressing. I think as Stage III board members we are acutely aware of our situation and strive to find the positive, whether it be in new treatments, support, or research showing that our prognosis is better than previous generations.
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Dear Sisters,
I truly did not mean to upset anyone. Personally, I looked at the article as a positive. We all know our stage, but the sooner we are able to detect any changes the better chance we will have. I don't want something going undetected for months or years if I can help it.
Love and Blessings to you all
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srbl, it is not your fault, and I am glad you posted.
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I am always glad to see new treatments and developments, but my bubble bursts pretty easily. I think there was a kind of unspoken policy for quite a while to give a warning to "statistical" articles, or those that have a bummer factor, but please keep the information coming. I still want the info....HMMMM... Sometimes I just want to yell about how the whole thing sucks.
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Keep the info coming...good or bad. Only then can I trust that I am learning more.
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are they saying if you had a pet scan at dx that you have a better chance ....I had a pet at dx ......most of us did right?!! i am confused..... what else is new!!!!!
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are they saying if you had a pet scan at dx that you have a better chance ....I had a pet at dx ......most of us did right?!! i am confused..... what else is new!!!!!
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I wont bother to read the article judging from the reactions. Ive had a rough day as it is.
Ive never had a PET, onc assured me if my CT was abnormal then she'll order me one. Sometimes PET scans may light up spots that look suspicious but turn out benign.
Ive been getting my tumor markers regularly and they are normal but then I checked them after surgery and pre chemo and they were normal too.
What a crap shoot. Sorry this just depressed me but I'll be ok tomorrow. -
My onc doesn't do PET scans at all. He said there is a 40% false positive rate with them. Over the years I have had nuclear bone scans and multiple CT's and MRI's.
Don't forget, there are also women who are diagnosed stage 1 or stage 2 who are undetected stage 4's. Only time will tell our true story after diagnosis. My onc has said that those of us who seem to progress to stage 4 within that first year after diagnosis were most likely undetected stage 4 at diagnosis.
I didn't read the article either. I've been in denial for over eight years and it works for me!
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The article isn't that bad. It just says that they are testing a new method of scanning that gives a more accurate and complete picture at the beginning of dx. The hope is that they will be able to treat accordingly instead of making guesses and assumptions.
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NoMore, I may have to steal that: "In denial and works for me."
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Momine, whatever gets us through the night, it's alright or something like that! lol
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That is how I looked at the article also. No matter what the stage is, start the fight right in the beginning. I feel so badly that I upset so many by posting it. I am a "glass half full" kind of a gal. Thanks for understanding.
Love and Blessings
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NoMore, absolutely!
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