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  • vacationbound
    vacationbound Member Posts: 171
    edited December 2012

    I just printed out the "Maintain" application so I will get this sent in asap-Thanks again everyone for all your helpful suggestions, I am in tears this morning as one of our pipes that go underneath the driveway just broke and we have no water and will not have any for awhile until we come up with the money for repairs-I enjoy my creature comforts as this is the only thing I have to look forward to and now I dont even have this but I do find comfort in the the kind acts of others so thank you so much, it helps to know that there are still good and kind people to help lift your spirits when everything so amiss and bleak.

  • SuperFoob
    SuperFoob Member Posts: 505
    edited January 2013

    I just wanted to thank Steven (HUGE THANK YOUS!!!) and everyone else here that helped me with my SSDI questions and nerves, especially Chickadee and LuAnn.



    I received my approval letter today.



  • Golden01
    Golden01 Member Posts: 916
    edited January 2013

    Congratulations! What a huge burden and worry lifted from  your shoulders.

  • SandeeAR
    SandeeAR Member Posts: 29
    edited January 2013

    Vacation;  check into this   http://www.thepinkfund.org/   I did and they paid our health insurance ($578) for the month of January.   If you qualify and they pay one your bills, that would give you the money for the pipe.

  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited January 2013

    Congrats Superfoob. One less thing to worry about.

  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited February 2013

    Because I worked last Sept. for 30 days I reported it to SS. So today I get a letter from SSA indicating I've been reviewed and my disability will be continued. PHEW! I didn't think anything more of it and didn't know it had another step to go through.



    I did finally decide to resign from my FEMA reservist job. It just isn't worth the risk to my health. Had myself a good cry over closing another door.



    There was some updated information in the letter regarding Trial Work Periods. The amount you can earn without reporting is now $750 a month, up from $720. If you earn that amount or higher for 9 months there is an extended period of 36 months in which you can earn up to $1040. Apparently they average it out for a year to determine the substantial gainful activity ruling. What I earned in one month was averaged out for 2012.



    Something I didn't know. You keep your Medicare for 93 months after your trial work period ends. That's was something I wondered about. There are some financial strings attached,hospital insurance vs. medical insurance and premiums to pay.



    Steven, I hope you and your wife are in a good place. Take care.

  • Medigal
    Medigal Member Posts: 1,412
    edited February 2013

    Chickadee:  What do you mean you get to keep your Medicare for 93 months after your trial work period ends?  I thought once they give you the Medicare you get to keep it the entire time?  What are you supposed to do for health insurance if you are still on SSDI and they cancel out the Medicare?  Would you please explain more about this?  If you don't do a Trial Work Period, do you get to keep the Medicare until you are on it at 65?  Health insurance is a major necessity for people with medical problems.  Thanks for any info you can share about how the Medicare works.  When one gets it and how long do they get to stay on it?

  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited February 2013

    That statement referred to someone who returns to work after exhausting the trial work period, who will no longer receive SSDI and is not Medicare eligible due to age. The purpose of the Trial Work Period is to assist a gradual return to the workforce for those whose disability has resolved. It can also allow you occasional supplemental income without losing your SSDI.



    The typical retiree who pays into SS and reaches age 65 is eligible for Medicare and will receive that benefit for life. Someone on disability who reaches 65 would also continue to be eligible.



    Steven if you happen back, correct me if I got the details wrong.



    Sorry for the confusion.

  • Medigal
    Medigal Member Posts: 1,412
    edited February 2013

    Chickadee:  So if I understand you correctly, if the person doesn't do the trial work period and just tries to survive on SSDI, they get to just continue on with the Medicare until they become Medicare age (65).  Sounds like it can be a problem trying to do Trial Work thing because it can cause one to lose SSDI.  I just thought everything stayed the same and one just got a chance to earn a few extra dollars doing light part time work to supplement whatever Disability Income one gets and Medicare goes on no matter what you do.  Sure is a lot to learn about SSDI.  It is not just a simple process.  Thank goodness we have Steven to fall back on.  Thanks so much for the added input.

  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited February 2013

    Yes, no one is required to try to work. I didn't give up my reservist job with FEMA and thought I could work occasionally, but it was too much so I recently resigned. Though I earned quite a bit in 30 days and reported it, I did not lose my SSDI status. The reason I stopped at thirty days rather than continue was my disability. I was worn out.



  • vacationbound
    vacationbound Member Posts: 171
    edited February 2013

    Not surprised....got denied.....went to lawyer.....said reconsideration will take very long time.....at least they denied me pretty quick-within 3 weeks!!!

  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited February 2013

    Vacation, so sorry you have this added burden.....seems like when it rains it pours. I hope the lawyer can put some priority on your appeal but I do hear that appeals are backed up.



    Shout out to Steven, wonder if you have any advice for Vacation regarding what she can expect from her SSD attorney.

  • NMM
    NMM Member Posts: 138
    edited February 2013

    Chick,

    On avg a recon appeal takes about 3-4 months to get denied/approved. 

    And there are 2 Houston ODAR hearing offices which list processing time from filing to hearing and then decision as 8 to 9 months.

    So Vacation assuming her recon is denied has about 1 year before she gets a hearing.

    Houston and Texas have below average approval rates, see here http://www.disabilityjudges.com/state/texas

    I would avoid Texas.

    But according to Vacation tag line she has mets to her spine. 

    So she should be stage iv, not sure why she was not compa allow.

    If I was her attorney I would be all over the local DO to expedite and why was this not a compa allow.

    But I am not.

    Steven

  • NMM
    NMM Member Posts: 138
    edited February 2013

    Here is a controversial topic.

    At the start of 2011, when someone got their notice of hearing, the SSA stopped putting the assinged judges name on it.

    Why?

    Because with the internet the govt has been publishing the approval/denial rates of individual judges and offices.

    Some websites have tabulated the data so one can search.

    So before 2011 some attorneys were gaming the system and when they drew a statistically tough judge would finds ways to transfer the file.

    Now I am all for playing the game fair.  But only if the other side plays fair as well.

    For instance if you live in the state of Texas overall the several hearing office give you a 38% chance of winning your hearing appeal.

    If you move next door to New Mex you got a 58% chance (ther eis only one actual office in NM the other is a video office that hears cases form around country). Get to Utah and you go up to 65%.

    Not a math major but does NM really have 20% more actually disabled non-faker people then Texas? Prob not.  Couple of points swing maybe but 20 points to me means the judges in Texas just a lot tougher.  And that is the avg. 

    Here in the LA area there is a west LA office and a DT LA office.  They are maybe 17 mi apart.  West LA approves 34% DT LA approves 51%.

    The office is picked based on zip code. SO you could have 2 exact same people who live on seprate sides of the street zip code wise, and have opposite outcomes base dont he offic ethey go to.

    My point? If you can move or have a mailing address to use to get you into a better office.  Again I do not advocate judge shopping.

    But until somone can explain why there is a 17 point difference in approval between 2 offices less than 20 miles apart, then it is not gamingbut a response to something that is broke.

    I mean I don't have the time but I have seen 30-40 point swings between Judges in the same office where if you draw one Judge he pays only 20% of cases and another Judge might pay 50-60%.

    So if you face a tough hearing office based on stats and can move, do it. 

    Beating the odds is what BC and SSA is all about.

    Steven

  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited February 2013

    Thanks Steven. You confirmed my suspicion based on many posts here. Some got remarkably quick approvals and checks and others not. There seemed to be an inconsistency in the process and I think you just told us.



    Glad you are still checking in. Bad day for me, progression and on to harsher treatment. Hope your wife is doing well. My best to you.

  • Golden01
    Golden01 Member Posts: 916
    edited February 2013

    I live in Arizona and my husband was approved for disability due to his Parkinson's Disease last year. Approval took six months. His application was reviewed in Utah. Another friend in Arizona (not BC) was approved for disability last year, his application was reviewed in Arkansas. Apparently, the Arizona offices are so overloaded the applications are sent to other states. 

  • vacationbound
    vacationbound Member Posts: 171
    edited February 2013

    I am on another MBC board and there are 3 other women that filed same time as me (Dec 2012) and had worse mets than me and were denied, I was told it had to do with the compassionate allowance changes they did it is not AUTOMATIC anymore! The SSA made changes to the Compassionate allowance R&R on Dec 12, 2012 and although they state these listings are automatic approval, they are, only IF certain conditions apply, so ladies get ready for this, they ARE taking NED into consideration! As another lady on the other MBC board stated, "Any work task-even the most minor or menial", I know this because I just received my denial letter too and I am not going to battle it alone as the stat's for denial the first time according to a Texas lawyer is 62%, reconsideration is 82%, it would take appr. 9-14 months just to get a hearing in front of an ALJ so I will let the lawyers handle all of this as I do not have the energy or the knowledge of the new trickery devices that are the new SSA norm of compliance standards. The Compassionate Allowance was updated on Dec 12, 2012 and it is not as easy to get automatic approval anymore, called the TERI-SSA decides terminal illness in 2 descriptors-1. Situation; 2. Condition....
    1. Clearly defines patient as in hospice, receiving home care/nursing care; statement from doctor of terminal illness and/or specific condition of AIDS or ALS https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/lnx/0411005601

    and

    https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/lnx/0411005603

    also might want to check out the strategic plan going forward

    http://www.ssa.gov/asp/index.html

    My Attorney said because of the government cutbacks, it is the new normal, denials will occur, even for stage IV patients if they do not meet the computerized EDCS predictive models https://secure.ssa.gov/apps10/poms.nsf/lnx/0411005601

  • vacationbound
    vacationbound Member Posts: 171
    edited February 2013

    And yes, Steven, thank you for your reply; I am not sure if my lawyer carries the title specific to "Disability" but she was willing to take my case and to me, this made me have hope as she felt that it might eventually go through but yes, she did say Texas was one of the hardest states, even in my condition. Here is the guidelines on the SSA levels of nodes, plus my spinal mets, yet they still did not consider me http://www.ssa.gov/disability/professionals/bluebook/13.00-NeoplasticDiseases-Malignant-Adult.htm#13_10

  • Lauriesh
    Lauriesh Member Posts: 692
    edited February 2013

    Hi vacation bound,





    I am waiting on my decision, and have been Ned for 2 years. The interesting thing is how long it is taking. I also filed in dec, and I know there was not a hold up in getting medical records , and I have not heard anything it. I keep calling and they keep telling me it is still under review.

    I guess it is better than a quick denial, but I am getting to the point of telling them, " just deny me if you are going to so I can start the appeal".



    Laurie

  • SyrMom
    SyrMom Member Posts: 862
    edited March 2013

    vacation bound ... thanks for the information.  I searched, but could not find 2012 changes to Compassionate Allowance except for new illnesses added to the list.  Where did you read these new changes?

  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited March 2013

    Compassionate allowance entitles us to an expedited review not an automatic review. That's not a change. We still have to provide documentation that our disabling condition will prevent us from working for 12 months or more.



    It's actually a good thing that many who are stage IV are still able to work and that some treatments are more manageable than others. When it becomes too much then we certainly want SSDI funds to be there for those of us who need it.

  • Medigal
    Medigal Member Posts: 1,412
    edited March 2013

    Can anyone tell me if this issue has been discussed and where I can find the answer?  My question is concerning what do people who are applying for SSDI and waiting upon decisions do for health insurance?  Do they all have to go on Medicaid until they get the SSDI resolved and can they?  Since SSDI is for people with medical problems, it would seem they can not afford to be without insurance while waiting the "years" it seems to take to get an answer and know if they have been approved or not.  Trying to support yourself when you are unemployed and without money is a nightmare but even trying to pay for the COBRA from a past employer can be exhorbitant for those who have no one to even loan them some money.  Any information you can share will be greatly appreciated.  Thank you very much!

  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited March 2013

    There is no program or tax money currently available to provide health insurance coverage for everyone in every situation. Without going into the politics of health care, who should pay for it, and the fewer and fewer companies that provide it, we are all pretty much on our own to put together whatever we can, however we can.



    Yes, it sucks.



    Since SS is always in financial jeopardy, the likelihood of this changing is minuscule.

  • vacationbound
    vacationbound Member Posts: 171
    edited March 2013

    Hi Chickadee, yes, I am aware the it is for expedited review and not automatic but you would not believe how many times I hear this from folks, "ITS AUTOMATIC" so we need to all do away with this phrase as it is irrelavent regarding SSDI filings!!! Past, present or future! 

    SYRMom-Did the links not work for you? I went to the SSA page, try googling TERI-SSA

  • carpe_diem
    carpe_diem Member Posts: 1,256
    edited March 2013

    Medigal,

    The situation for the uninsured waiting for SSDI acceptance is worse than you might be thinking, since you only get Medicare two years after you start getting SSDI payments.  In some cases, those payments can be back-dated as much as a year, but there is a waiting period (I think it's five months from the date your disability started and/or you stopped working) before receiving SSDI.  COBRA is often unaffordable since you're paying both the employee and employer share plus 5%, and private insurance will generally reject you for a pre-existing condition.  This will change in 2014 under Obamacare and subsidies will be available, or there may be increased access to Medicaid, depending on the state.  States often have health insurance pools for pre-existing conditions, but the premiums are even higher than COBRA.  There are some private programs that help with insurance premiums: www.cancer.org/treatment/findingandpayingfortreatment/managinginsuranceissues/healthinsuranceandfinancialassistanceforthecancerpatient/health-insurance-and-financial-assistance-toc

    The link above lists some options, but meanwhile we might badger our representatives to explain why a country as rich as ours can't provide decent health care for its people.

  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited March 2013

    Vacation, I feel like a broken record sometimes, but every time someone throws out the "automatic" word I try to post. Now as Steven said some states are more lenient then others and perhaps some felt they got an "automatic" approval.



  • vacationbound
    vacationbound Member Posts: 171
    edited March 2013

    Carp-

    PCIP.Gov

  • Stormynyte
    Stormynyte Member Posts: 650
    edited March 2013
  • Medigal
    Medigal Member Posts: 1,412
    edited March 2013

    Steven:  Can you tell me how long it takes to get an answer once one has had their Appeal Hearing before the Judge?  My relative had hers at the end of this January and still has not received an answer, one way or the other, and it is making her very depressed.  This has gone on over 2 years in all and her attorney says all they can do is "wait it out" since he doesn't want to aggravate the Judge by contacting him.  Is this the way it goes? 

    Can you also tell me if one can try to work part time 2 or 3 days a week when possible to earn a few dollars while awaiting the Appeal response?  Would she get automatically denied if she tried to work a couple of days while awaiting their response?  Emotionally and financially this has been very difficult on her and we are trying to help her find answers for what she can or cannot do without getting herself denied.  Thanks for any advice you can share.  Much appreciation for all the help and advice you share and have shared.

    Medigal

  • NMM
    NMM Member Posts: 138
    edited March 2013

    Vacation and everyone

    Telling everyone the sky is falling does nothing but make people think the sky is falling.

    Please listen to Chick.

    She has demonstrated she knows her stuff.  This is more her thread then mine.

    You must seprate the emotion from your applicaiton.

    How many times have you turned on your lights or started your car.  Pretty "automatic" right?

    But have you ever went to start your car and not have it start?  I have.  So what happened?  It shoud be automatic, right?

    Well it does not start because in order for it to start a complex system has to work right.

    SSA is no different.  Every medical condition that satisfies the critera of a compsionate allowence specificaly, and the rules of SSA in general, should be "automatically" granted. If the rules say someone who has XYZ wrong with them gets it then someone with XYZ will get it.

    But that does not mean the system sometimes does not work.  Add in the fact that it is humans making decisions and breakdowns will occur.

    In 2009 there were over 2.8 million applications filed.

    I am not a stats person but I do know that even if SSA could do their job right on every case there would still be an accpetable statistical model to allow for a random denial rate (someone puts in the worng SSN or name)

    As far as taking NED into consideration, well just think about it for a second.  If someone is approved because they have a medical condition, a disease if you will, and then at some point they have no evidcen of that disease, why should they continue being approved?

    Social Secuirty is desgined to give benefits to people who 1. have a medical condition whcih 2. imposes limitaiotn on the ability to function in the workplace.  If the docotrs say a person no longer has any evidcne of a disease how exactly can they satisfy the first requirment.

    SSA did not change anything.  Compassionate allowence does not relax the standards of disablity or set forth different standards.  All it did was recognize that some illness, many terminal, should be fast tracked and brought to the head of the line. 

    Think of it as administrative triage.

    So a compassioante allowence is nothing more than a priority tag, not a it is easier to get benefits tag.

    Sorry if this comes across as a lecture.  But I jsut don't people thin that SSa changed anything with respect to allowing claims based on stage 4.

    Steven

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