Breast Thermography

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  • Carinadewitt
    Carinadewitt Member Posts: 1
    edited May 2012

    I just had my third thermography after my lumpectomy a year ago. And the lumpectomy area is still ligthing up--  12 months after the procedure!The feedback they gave me was upsetting, but after reading this post I feel much better. Thank you!

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited May 2012

    For the time being, I am alternating thermography with mammography.  I had a thermogram done about two months ago, and I had a diagnostic mammogram done just yesterday.  I am waiting to hear about the results but don't expect anything because my thermogram was completely clear except for the surgical site which will show up for quite some time I understand.

  • momoschki
    momoschki Member Posts: 682
    edited May 2012

    Carina,

    Yes, my lumpectomy site lit up a year after lumpectomy as well. This is apparently to be expected.  The following week I had a diagnostic US, which was clear.  I was told that the thermography results I had this year (my first) would be used as a baseline for future ones.  FWIW, I had the thermogram done via my gyn's office-- my BS, who monitors me every 6 months, was incredibly dismissive of thermography in general. 

  • himalaya
    himalaya Member Posts: 149
    edited May 2012

    I did  my first checkup for my  lump in right breast  about new year 2012.

    That was thermography in St Charles, Illinois.

    She checked all my body and  tests showed that i have some problem in the breasts, but the most  in LEFT. Right was  abit better she said...But in fact my lump in RIGHt breast was getting bigger, and left one is very ok.

    And she said that  there is no much problem, use natural detox drops.

    I dont know  how much  helped that visit  to her and her  prescribed medicine, but feels strange that machine can make mistakes.

    Or im not lucky, im in those 2% or 5% people  who got  wrong diagnose?

    So that was  my personal experience with thermodiagnostic machine.

  • himalaya
    himalaya Member Posts: 149
    edited May 2012

    PS now im gettting surgery in 10 days  in Europe.With diagnose- ductial carcinoma.

    So for few months the prblem was so big that need surgery.Thermogramm didnt  give me a good report....

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited May 2012

    I'm not trusting the thermography completely...I'm alternating with mammograms going forward.  I limit my exposure to radiation, but still get the benefit of two different screenings.

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited May 2012

    How could you trust thermography if it misses a 3cm lump as Himalaya has. An MRI would be better to alternate with Kaara - no radiation.

  • candygurl
    candygurl Member Posts: 130
    edited May 2012

    Mammograms detect structure or anatomy such as a tumor. Breast thermograms detect physiology i.e inflammation or angiogenesis. One test is not meant to replace the other. But I would choose breast ultra sounds over mammograms to avoid exposure to radiation.

  • vespersparrow
    vespersparrow Member Posts: 62
    edited May 2012

    Breast MRIs typically use gadolinium as a contrast agent, which carries it's own risky side effects such as nephrogenic systemic fibrosis.  They recommended that I get one annually, but I've decided against using MRI as a screening tool and save it for an emergency instead.  They *think* NSF only occurs in patients with renal impairment, but the disorder is new since 1997 and still somewhat mysterious.  It's unknown what will happen to someone after, say, 10 years who gets these every year as told. We are guinea pigs here...

    I had two MRIs with contrast 5 months apart.  My kidney tests were fine and so theoretically I should have quickly excreted the agent, but almost 8 months later a heavy metals test showed my levels of gadolinium to be still in the extreme range!  They are finally better, but I am very careful about any imaging with contrast now.  Unfortunately, MRIs without contrast aren't terribly useful for BC, or so they say.  

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited May 2012

    zuvart:  If I had opted for a breast US instead of a mammogram, my bc would not have been found.  It did not show up on two US's that were done on me...only the mammogram.  Weird.

  • peggy_j
    peggy_j Member Posts: 1,700
    edited May 2012

    teeballmom, thanks for sharing this

    The thermograms I had in Nov 2011 and in March 2012 did not pick up the 5 cm IDC that I was just diagnosed with on April 12, 2012.  

    That seems like a big one to miss, esp. since thermograms are supposed to be detected suspicious areas earlier. How did it miss a 5cm tumor?  I would definitely need to do more research before considering this.

    BTW, my understanding is that MRIs have the best resolution, to 0.2 or 0.3 cm. My tumor was 0.5cm and was barely detected by the mammogram; it was not seen from the side, only from the top and that's because it was about 1 cm from the skin. I feel lucky that it was caught so early. And just a reminder that, unfortunately, the location of the tumors can make it harder for some of these screening tools.

  • wilson33
    wilson33 Member Posts: 132
    edited May 2012

    Interesting conversations, I have looked it up and have an appointment tomorrow for thermography in the UK, my nearest one is 1 hour and 20 mins away and then again in 90 days from there.  It has intregued my interest as I had never heard of it before.  I am aware of my body and what is good for me and what isn't but the chocolate wins everytime or a coupe of tins of lychees. I was wondering if people have had positive results from the thermography, or things that made the doctor pay attention.

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited May 2012

    wilson33:  The interesting thing about thermography is that it is supposed to find suspicious areas years before a mammogram can detect them, thus, you have an opportunity to watch the area and maybe let the immune system handle it.  It will show "hot spots" where there is a possibility of blood vessel development which is needed for tumor formation.

    Mine was completely clear...no hot spots...just the area of the surgery which will show up that way for a while.  There is no radiation involved so the procedure is completely safe. 

  • himalaya
    himalaya Member Posts: 149
    edited May 2012

    Doctor John Barron say that better than  thermogramm is sonogramm.

    Did anybody here try that?

  • candygurl
    candygurl Member Posts: 130
    edited May 2012

    If you read the first couple of pages of this thread you'll find one woman's post about how thermography helped to detect her thyroid cancer and I believe there is also info about the sonocine too.

  • o2bhealthy
    o2bhealthy Member Posts: 2,101
    edited May 2012

    Wilson33...my thermography scan detected a problem with my thyroid and I was blessed with a GP that decided to follow the recommendation for an US...I was dx'd with Thyroid Cancer weeks after getting the NED from my oncologist. Due to the small size and early detection I was able to keep 1/2 my thyroid and avoid RAI (Radioactive iodine therapy). 

    I would not use thermography as my only tool, but I would use it in conjunction with other monitoring tests.  

    My thermographer is a die hard "thermography is the only was to go, MRI's and mammos are bad, blah, blah, blah"...I listen to her 'opinion' and do my own research.  I think people tend to believe and suggest what the are comfortable with.  I also think that many thermography scans can miss things not because the scan did not show problems, but because the person reading the scan did not know how to interpret the scans.   But then again no one test is the end all to be all early detection tool either...

    Best wishes is what ever you decide.

  • wilson33
    wilson33 Member Posts: 132
    edited May 2012

    wow o2bhealthy that is amazing news, I have had an ultra sound scan and all was clear the breast centre told me there was nothing more they can do for me as it wasn't a breast issue, so dermotology, through his x-ray, ultra sound, mri eyes told me everything it wasnt. I have had my thermography test done and the test is sent to doctors trained in reading them and because everyone's breasts are like their fingerprints you need another to compare it with.  Their initial findings were fibrocystic action possibly but won't know until the second one. The ultra sound didn't pick it up.  My next appointment is in August which I am most intregued by it - I did however get a burnt chest in the car driving 1 hour 20 mins to get there it took me an hour to cool down and calm down as I was worried they wouldn't be able to do the tests.  I have since spoken with my doctor who was going to refere me back to the dermatologist - I sharn't bore you with what I said nor can i think I can reapeat it but bottom line, err no! Doctor will look at thermography and I shall see her in 2 weeks. It has given me some peice of mind but hasn't helped with the pain, burning and disscomfort but in time and with some help I am sure all will be good :)

  • Scienceroxs
    Scienceroxs Member Posts: 3
    edited October 2012

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  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited October 2012

    I will be alternating thermographies with mammograms in the future.  I am reluctant to completely give up mammos because that is what detected my bc in the first place at a very early stage.

  • Leia
    Leia Member Posts: 265
    edited January 2013

    Anaximperator blog - Blogging against alternative cancer treatments

    Scienceroxs, this is your rebuttal? A link to a post on a blog that is against alternative cancer treatments?

    This is the Alternative Medicine thread of breastcancer.org Every other thread on this site is devoted to your .... beliefs. We are here to discuss alternative preventions/treatments of cancer. 

    I did go out to the Anaximperator blog and read that link. Just a bunch of "more studies." Which as I have said, is precisly the problem; these "studies." That recommend one thing, this year, and the opposite thing, the next. 

    Although, the post did say, "While it’s true that chemotherapy decreases a woman’s risk of dying from her breast cancer, the vast majority of women do not individually benefit from chemotherapy." 

    Well, I am an individual woman. And I have seen too many  chemotherapy deaths, including my own mother. 

    Not for me. 

  • Mardibra
    Mardibra Member Posts: 1,111
    edited January 2013

    I personally know a doctor who recently received chemo. So there goes your theory.

  • NattyOnFrostyLake
    NattyOnFrostyLake Member Posts: 377
    edited January 2013

    Gee, one whole doctor, huh? My integrative doctor's office has oncologists sitting in the IV room getting alternative treatments.

    Cheers!

  • Mardibra
    Mardibra Member Posts: 1,111
    edited January 2013

    Where there is one, there is many.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited January 2013

    Himalaya, yes, my cancer was initially DXed via sonogram/ultrasound, not with a mammo. I also plan to get sonograms of my remaining lymph nodes as part of follow-up care. Where in Europe are you? (I am in Greece.)

  • rosyFL
    rosyFL Member Posts: 101
    edited January 2013

    There was a Dr. Soram on the Dr. Oz show in December.  I signed up for his newsletter and just received the most recent one. 

    His opinion of BC screening is that he believes that mammos can cause the spread of cancer cells, and while not perfect, and none of the detection systems seem to be, thermography was an extremely effective alternative to mammograms.  Just his opinion.  He is a very interesting doctor.   

  • vespersparrow
    vespersparrow Member Posts: 62
    edited March 2013

    I did not have a bmx, but my thermography scans include analysis of the axillary lymph nodes for increases in vascularity.  I see no reason why having a bmx would change anything - it might even make it easier for the test to detect something. 

  • sdstarfish
    sdstarfish Member Posts: 544
    edited March 2013

    I have had a bilateral and I get thermography every year. There have been no changes in the breast area, but it has definitely picked up changes in certain lymph areas, mainly my neck. I made some changes on the advice of my nutritionist/D.C., such as lymph drain massage. I will see in June whether things have improved.

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited April 2013

    So far I've had two thermographies since my breast surgery and they both show no change.  I continue to alternate with mammograms for best results.

  • Mona117
    Mona117 Member Posts: 1
    edited May 2013

    My experience with thermography

    I did a full body scan. It showed a lump in my left breast that I already knew about. No new blood vessels - so they told me it is not cancer. And it was all. But - biopsy come back with cancer. Also, PET/CT scan showed an additional  smaller lump in my lymph node - thermogram did show hyperactivity there aswell but they did not point it out as a concern, just an incidental lymphatic congestion and recommended dry brushing.

    Also, I asked biopsy nurse how does she feel about thermography - she said she personally saw so many false positive and false negative results that she thinks it is just waste of money.

  • Kaara
    Kaara Member Posts: 3,647
    edited June 2013

    I would never give up yearly mammograms but now alternate with thermographies every six months.

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