bicarb soda _ maple syrup

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liv- Member Posts: 521
edited June 2014 in Alternative Medicine
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  • liv-
    liv- Member Posts: 521
    edited January 2013

    have been doing the bicarb soda and maple syrup

    http://drsircus.com/medicine/sodium-bicarbonate-baking-soda/baking-soda-cancer-laugh

    i actually dont endorse this but regardless im taking it twice daily.

    spoke to my onc and he said it cant do me any harm and if mentally doing something then do it.

    the chemistry just reading sounds ok but then again i believe if this was as good as it is written surely the medical field would be onto it. 

    wishing that the professionals might consider doing clinical trial over a few years and get some stats but for now there isnt a trial so i will be that trial as would be a good candidate as im high risk.

    i will be the clinical trial and update this thread every scan i have!

    xx

  • CelineFlower
    CelineFlower Member Posts: 875
    edited January 2013

    the medical field... seems to be less interested in cures... then in treatments..

    think it has to do with where the profit is..

    so how do u feel it is helping u?

  • liv-
    liv- Member Posts: 521
    edited January 2013

    hello celine - guess its more a positive mental thing for me, by the words that are written about it, sounds unreal but im the biggest skeptic with everything and dont know or wont know if it is actually doing anything, im still on chemo.

    what i do know is that the professionals dont know how to cure cancer and a lot of the time the treatments that are given are of no help and can be very detrimental so as long as i feel there is some substance to an alternative treatment  i will never say this cures cancer but i will if i feel it substantiated with some basic chemistry might give it a go and this is one that i have taken on.

    only way it may be able to guage anything is once i'm off chemo as with my diagnosis / prognosis the odds are pretty much against me that more than likely i will have mets but still in saying that could just be really lucky...lets see if im still around or no mets in a few years.

    what do you think about the maple syrup bic carb?

    xx

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2013

    I agree with Celine totally. Even though theres people in the medical field (typically the ones you will personally rub shoulders with) that are genuine and want to help, its the ones higher up pulling the strings (that you don't see) that are greedy greedy GREEDY. They don't give a monkeys toss about you as long as you fill their pockets. Cynical maybe but Id sooner acknowledge the hard truth than embrace a comfortable lie. For example, do a google search on "exposing monsanto" or something, and you will uncover a hornets nest of the worst evil imaginable. Monsanto have their evil fingers in almost every pie with their disgusting GE spuds, corn, et al. Don't get me started on Soy. It was never fit for human consumption let alone GE soy.

    Im still looking into baking soda. If it is proven to make an environment alkaline and BC relies on an acidic environment, then that is a good start one would think. Same with lemon....

    "but then again i believe if this was as good as it is written surely the medical field would be onto it."

    You seem to be so skeptical and yet you so easily trust the medical fraternity? Yes theyre onto it so you don't find out about it and deny them something that is more profitable. That can be manifested as a deafening silence.

    I sincerely hope the bicarbonate soda helps. All the best with it and I'd be interested to see how you go with it.

  • liv-
    liv- Member Posts: 521
    edited January 2013

    hello musical i suppose im still in the land of hope that professionals and the pharmaceutical makers would deny cancer patients some light if was proven that a particular treatment would be beneficial.

    i really am such a skeptic and would love to prove that this  combination actually works and obviously in my subconconsicous it does tick a few boxes but would love some evidence.

    suppose just about everything to do with cancer treatments we are basically guinea pigs so without authority ill definitely be the guinea pig for this one.

    thanks for making me think and reminding me to doubt the medical field, i need to be assertive and in charge of my illness as i was not looked after by them from the beginning.

    please let us know after your research what you think of it.

    xx

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2013

    Hi liv-

    Im under NO illusions as to what gets hushed up when its within powerful peoples interests to keep their mega bucks coming in and porporizing everyone else.

    Oh yes, we can hope and we all do. Trouble is hope is not trust and I wouldn't trust those who are at the top of the pile, not to have ulterior motives. As you imply, and heaps of us are the same, it is inevitable you will come across someone who can't be bothered looking after you. If someone has had totally smooth sailing through every aspect of BC and their med team, then they are a rare person.

    I know there has been wonderful progress made in certain scientific fields but these have been hushed up. I'm saying this generally and right across the board. Cancer would be no different. It is a huge business with so many making a buck out of it they must keep the wheels turning. I believe there is a big picture to all this... suffice it to say cancer sure has it's roll to play but I digress.

    It comes down to once we know certain facts, whether we want to be real about it, and realizing how low some people will sink to to feather their own nest. I think with some things there will never be "conclusive evidence" because it's not going to pay enough.  I'd be very surprised if mainstream medical science will get behind something as simple as bicarb soda, lemon etc.

    Take for example, Stevia. Because it's a simple plant that requires little processing, and that the layman cant easily learn to deal with it to extract the sugar flavour, thereby nullifying the need for fancy patents, what did they do in the US? for a long time they set up campaigns to ban it because using trumped up lies and accusations. All smoke and mirrors. Not sure where they are on it now.

    Thrown into the mix is each one of us and our particular biases, deductions, level of understanding. One thing is for sure... unless we are on planet Z we will all be doing our very best to conquer this beast BC and to do that my course of action is one of gathering the facts as much as possible.

    All that said, then we do have to be cautious about our own individual physiology which is totally different to someone else. There would need to be other things taken into account with the use of baking soda, Im picking.... like it's very salty. For some people that could present big problems. I just don't know enough about it.

    Theres another thread in this subforum somewhere that you might like to peruse about this subject. If you have a great GP, that is really good, and to be your own best advocate as much as possible is even better. The 2 combined is a big plus. Forgive me... Ive gone on long enough, but it is an interesting subject.

    All the best

    Musical

  • liv-
    liv- Member Posts: 521
    edited January 2013

    thanks musical, well written, mega $$ is the evil light which obviously, now reflecting comes first.

    pls keep reminding meSmile

    its just hard to fathom that cancer patients that are so vulnerable would be used and exploited for profit to such a degree & not given any consideration from  the parasite money vultures, that just simply look at the profit they can suck out of the system. so sad but yes its more than likely the reality.

    and theres no denying for us or them, bicarb soda and chuck a bit of maple syrup into the mix doesnt cost an arm and leg. so it brings me back to if it is a good as it sounds surely the government funding into cancer research would have had a look into it and funded something towards clinical trials..surely?

    and yes stevia is a simple plant that requires little processing is another excellent example.

    im doing  the maple bi carb dance, the chemistry sounds sort of ok but im no scientist & dont know.

    thanks again, ive got my guard back up right next to me and shall keep it thereSmile

  • new_direction
    new_direction Member Posts: 449
    edited January 2013

    I don't know about this, but I too have come across this "theory" from the page www.phkillscancer.com - a man who is a long term survivor and uses this.

    Wakeup calls lets people search in different places, letting what really matters become more obvious. I don't consider myself evil, but somehow it was a sort of greediness as well to live "as I pleased", eat what I liked allthough you allways knew in the back of your mind it might not be the best for you etc. etc. I also thought it was SO important to accumulate wealth, working like a maniac. The sudden willingness opens a new market driven by the same greed, there are so many things out here. You don't want to fall easy prey yet again, well you don't want to die.

    I don't mistrust the whole system - the actual research is plausible. But who sponsors it. It seems strange from millions of dollars spent what kind of research is actually going on. It somehow leaves you with a strange feeling. It's all about survival. you have to be near-dead to realise what you thought kept you alive nearly killed you.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2013

    "pls keep reminding meSmile"

    OK I'll take u up Smile ...First....

    "and that the layman cant easily learn to deal with it to extract the sugar flavour,"

    OOps just to correct my blooper.... that should read can .

    "surely the government funding into cancer research would have had a look into it and funded something towards clinical trials..surely?"

    Well you would hope so BUT, selfishness (which is what I believe is at the heart of every problem known to mankind) when push comes to shove, IS THE presiding reality of what we face today everywhere of those in high places. Small wonder then, on an escalating and momentous scale youre hearing of all sorts of horror stories not only sysnonymous with BC but right across the health sector....never mind all the other facets of life. ... And where theres smoke and mirrors there subtility and subterfuge. As I said earlier, I believe there is a bigger picture to this. A VERY big picture in fact. Governments and the leaders of nations are puppets to the top brass who are higher up and pulling the strings. It's all about control, but people don't want to know about all this because the implications may not be what they want to hear. As such, you get people either adhering to one of many flavours of denial or they simply dont want answers, or both. OK, you can lead a horse to water....

    There is so much corruption right across the board, the masses are slowly getting more and more squeezed. I could recount many many examples of everyday living where people are more and more adversely affected because the system is falling apart at the seams. I don't believe this is a case of being "positive" or "negetive". I'm a realist. Something is what it is and our thought patterns wont change reality one iota. No matter how much we try and kid ourselves about something, (for whatever reason) if the facts are there, then we should believe those. Daily I see SOOO much money wasted on a continual and ongoing basis in my country (NZ) that it is outrageously criminal. The facts as they present themselves are totally indicative that this is on purpose. I see a hospital system getting more and more stretched to breaking point....but I see prisoners break jail, break a leg and get awarded thousands upon thousands. The burden is so great on the tax payer, the whole thing is gonna bust eventually. I could go on and on and on...

    "im not being negative but the odds are a bit against me so check back on me now and again & see if im still alive!"

    From where Im coming from I'd have to say, of course youre not being "negative", youre being real and GOOD ON YOU! I most certainly will check in and see how you are liv-. Kinda think sometimes this bloomin BC is a full time job. There so many things I've got lined up for research and consideration, they have to take their turns I'm afraid. 

    All the best with your trial and I'll be thinking of you.

    I post sometimes in our NZ forum. If you want, you are most welcome to come and visit.

  • liv-
    liv- Member Posts: 521
    edited January 2013

    musical ((hugs))

    thx great read

    yes our governments and  leaders are puppets so basically bc becomes political and we all know about that..here in WA we are ruled by the RC church and the media ...complete corruption.  im a realist too and always go on my gut feelings.

    our hospitals are all going private, even the nurses are all contracted for a year at a time, and you can see everywhere the struggle of staff trying to cope under enormous pressure.

    and thanks for reiterating to me that im not being negative that im just trying to survive this cancer thing.

    thx lovely

    xx

  • liv-
    liv- Member Posts: 521
    edited January 2013

     
    new direction ((hugs))

    im pretty much the same, I don't mistrust the whole system - and dont entirely trust.

    so for me i will keep searching and reading and mostly go with my gut feeling.

    xx

  • liv-
    liv- Member Posts: 521
    edited January 2013

    Bicarbonate Maple Cancer Treatment

    International Medical Veritas Association

         The bicarbonate maple syrup cancer treatment focuses on delivering natural chemotherapy in a way that effectively kills cancer cells but significantly reduces the brutal side effects experienced with most standard chemotherapy treatments. In fact so great is the reduction that the dangers are brought down to zero. Costs, which are a factor for the majority of people, of this particular treatment are nil. Though this cancer treatment is very inexpensive, do not assume it is not effective. The bicarbonate maple syrup cancer treatment is a very significant cancer treatment every cancer patient should be familiar with and it can easily be combined with other safe and effective natural treatments.

         This cancer treatment is similar in principle to Insulin Potentiation Therapy (IPT). IPT treatment consists of giving doses of insulin to a fasting patient sufficient to lower blood sugar into the 50 mg/dl. In a normal person, when you take in sugar the insulin levels go up to meet the need of getting that sugar into the cells. In IPT they are artificially injecting insulin to deplete the blood of all sugar then injecting the lower doses of toxic chemo drugs when the blood sugar is driven down to the lowest possible value. During the low peak, it is said that the receptors are more sensitive and take on medications more rapidly and in higher amounts.   

         The bicarbonate maple syrup treatment works in reverse to IPT. Dr. Tullio Simoncini acknowledges that cancer cells gobbles up sugar so when you encourage the intake of sugar it’s like sending in a Trojan horse. The sugar is not going to end up encouraging the further growth of the cancer colonies because the baking soda is going to kill the cells before they have a chance to grow. Instead of artificially manipulating insulin and thus forcefully driving down blood sugar levels to then inject toxic chemo agents we combine the sugar with the bicarbonate and present it to the cancer cells, which at first are going to love the present. But not for long!

         This treatment is a combination of pure, 100% maple syrup and baking soda and was first reported on the Cancer Tutor site. When mixed and heated together, the maple syrup and baking soda bind together. The maple syrup targets cancer cells (which consume 15 times more glucose than normal cells) and the baking soda, which is dragged into the cancer cell by the maple syrup, being very alkaline forces a rapid shift in pH killing the cell. The actual formula is to mix   one part baking soda with three parts (pure, 100%) maple syrup in a small saucepan. Stir briskly and heat the mixture for 5 minutes. Take 1 teaspoon daily, is what is suggested by Cancer Tutor but one could probably do this several times a day.

         “There is not a tumor on God’s green earth that cannot be licked with a little baking soda and maple syrup.” That is the astonishing claim of controversial folk healer Jim Kelmun who says that this simple home remedy can stop and reverse the deadly growth of cancers. His loyal patients swear by the man they fondly call Dr. Jim and say he is a miracle worker. “Dr. Jim cured me of lung cancer,” said farmer Ian Roadhouse. “Those other doctors told me that I was a goner and had less then six months to live. But the doc put me on his mixture and in a couple of months the cancer was gone. It did not even show up on the x-rays.”

         Dr. Jim discovered this treatment accidentally somewhere in the middle of the last century when he was treating a family plagued by breast cancer. There were five sisters in the family and four of them had died of breast cancer. He asked the remaining sister if there was anything different in her diet and she told him that she was partial to sipping maple syrup and baking soda. Since then, reported by a newspaper in Ashville, North Carolina, Dr. Jim dispensed this remedy to over 200 people diagnosed with terminal cancer and amazingly he claims of that number 185 lived at least 15 more years and nearly half enjoyed a complete remission of their disease. When combined with other safe and effective treatments like transdermal magnesium therapy, iodine, vitamin C, probiotics and other items like plenty of good sun exposure, pure water and clay treatments we should expect even higher remission rates.

         It is very important not to use baking soda which has had aluminum added to it. The Cancer Tutor site reports that Arm and Hammer does have aluminum but the company insists that is not true. One can buy a product which specifically states it does not include aluminum or other chemicals. (e.g. Bob's Red Mill, Aluminum-Free, Baking Soda). Sodium bicarbonate is safe, extremely inexpensive and unstoppably effective when it comes to cancer tissues. It’s an irresistible chemical, cyanide to cancer cells for it hits the cancer cells with a shock wave of alkalinity, which allows much more oxygen into the cancer cells than they can tolerate. Cancer cells cannot survive in the presence of high levels of oxygen. Studies have already shown how manipulation of tumor pH with sodium bicarbonate enhances some forms of chemotherapy. [iii]

        “The therapeutic treatment of bicarbonate salts can be administered orally, through aerosol, intravenously and through catheter for direct targeting of tumors,” says oncologist Dr. Tullio Simoncini. “Sodium bicarbonate administered orally, via aerosol or intravenously can achieve positive results only in some tumors, while others – such as the serious ones of the brain or the bones - remain unaffected by the treatment.”

         The maple syrup apparently enables and increases penetration of bicarbonate into all compartments of body, even those which are difficult or impossible to penetrate by other means. These compartments include the central nervous system (CNS), through the blood-brain barrier, joints, solid tumors, and perhaps even the eyes. IPT makes cell membranes more permeable, and increases uptake of drugs into cells.  The maple syrup will make tissues more permeable, too.  It will transport the bicarbonate across the blood-brain barrier and every other barrier in the body for sugar is universally needed by all cells in the body. The essence of IPT is that it allows cancer drugs to be given in a smaller dose, far less toxic to normal cells, while building up lethally toxic concentrations in cancer cells.  Both IPT and bicarbonate maple syrup treatments use the rabid growth mechanisms of the cancer cell against them.

         Dr. Jim did not have contact with Dr. Simoncini and did not know that he is the only oncologist in the world who would sustain the combining of sugar with bicarbonate. Dr. Simoncini always directs his patients to dramatically increase sugar intake with his treatments but has never thought to mix the two directly by cooking them together. Because his treatments depend on interventionist radiologists who insert catheters to direct the bicarbonate as close to the affected area as possible, or physicians willing to do expensive intravenous treatments, I pushed bicarbonate up into the number six slot in the IMVA cancer protocol. With the discovery of Dr. Jim’s work bicarbonate comes back into our number three spot right behind magnesium chloride and iodine. 

        That number three slot for a brief time was held by hemp oil containing THC. The great advantage that maple syrup and bicarbonate treatment has over this type hemp oil is that it is legal thus easily obtainable. The two together, backed by a solid protocol of other nutritional substances makes winning the war on cancer almost a certainty. When using these substances it is safer to change one’s vocabulary and not say one is treating and curing cancer. Far better to conceptualize that one is treating the infectious aspect of cancer, the fungus and yeast colonies and the yeast like bacteria that are the cause of TB.

         Dr. Simoncini says that, “In some cases, the aggressive power of fungi is so great as to allow it, with only a cellular ring made up of three units, to tighten in its grip, capture and kill its prey in a short time notwithstanding the prey's desperate struggling. Fungus, which is the most powerful and the most organized micro-organism known, seems to be an extremely logical candidate as a cause of neoplastic proliferation.”

    pH of the blood is the most important factor to
     determine the state of the microorganisms in the blood.

        “Sodium bicarbonate therapy is harmless, fast and effective because it is extremely diffusible. A therapy with bicarbonate for cancer should be set up with strong dosage, continuously, and with pauseless cycles in a destruction work which should proceed from the beginning to the end without interruption for at least 7-8 days. In general a mass of 2-3-4 centimeters will begin to consistently regress from the third to the fourth day, and collapses from the fourth to the fifth,” says Dr Simoncini.

         There are many ways to use sodium bicarbonate and it is a universal drug like iodine and magnesium chloride. Raising pH increases the immune system's ability to kill bacteria, concludes a study conducted at The Royal Free Hospital and School of Medicine in London. Viruses and bacteria that cause bronchitis and colds thrive in an acidic environment. To fight a respiratory infection and dampen symptoms such as a runny nose and sore throat, taking an alkalizing mixture of sodium bicarbonate and potassium bicarbonate will certainly help.

         The apple cider vinegar 1/4 teaspoon and 1/4 teaspoon baking soda taken 2 times or more a day is another treatment as is lemon and baking soda, or lime and baking soda formulas. Perhaps honey could be substituted for maple syrup for those who live in parts of the world where maple syrup is not available but to my knowledge no one has experimented with this.

      

    Mark Sircus Ac., OMD
    Director International Medical Veritas Association
    http://www.imva.info
    http://www.magnesiumforlife.com

  • liv-
    liv- Member Posts: 521
    edited January 2013

    i question how does the bicarb and maple syrup stay together in the gut?

    either way it cant hurt me just hope there is substance to the above.

    still wishing that the professionals might consider doing clinical trial over a few years and get some stats but for now there isnt a trial so im it.

    im a high risk and that makes me a good candidate.

    xx

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2013

    liv- I've read about 1/2 way through...off to bed now ..but I look forward to reading properly  tomorrow. Thanx for posting this.

    Sleep tight and all the best....

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited January 2013

    Liv, the simple answer is that they don't, stay together in the gut that is. It is not possible. There may still be some benefit to the soda itself, but the maple syrup thing has to be nonsense.

  • liv-
    liv- Member Posts: 521
    edited January 2013

    thx momine i am swaying that way too and would much prefer just to take bicarb soda but for now ill stick with the maple syrup until im entirely convinced that it does nothing but rank up  extra calories.  imagine all those carbs.  ill try and prove myself wrong, any scientists in the house?

    another interesting insight!

    Sodium Bicarbonate (Baking Soda) Warnings and Contraindications

    Posted by Dr Sircus on April 1, 2010

     

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    Everything needs to be taken in balance.

    Sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) is generally well tolerated. However, high doses may cause headache, nausea or irritability. If any of these effects continue or become bothersome, inform your doctor. Notify your doctor if you develop: muscle weakness, slow reflexes and confusion, swelling of the feet or ankles, black tar-like stools, coffee-ground vomit. If you notice other effects not listed above, contact your doctor or pharmacist.

    Do not use if you are on a sodium restricted diet unless directed by a doctor. Ask a doctor or a pharmacist before use if you are taking a prescription drug. Antacids may interact with certain prescription drugs. Do not administer to children under age 5 without careful consideration. To avoid injury do not take sodium bicarbonate until the powder is completely dissolved and it is very important not to take baking soda when overly full from food or drink. Consult a doctor if severe stomach pain occurs after taking this product.

    “I nearly died after taking this stuff,” said William Graves, who suffered a rupture through the wall of his stomach in 1979 after taking baking soda mixed in water for indigestion after a big meal. The 64-year-old resident of Bethesda,Md., who is editor of National Geographic Magazine, said that only emergency surgery saved his life and that six more operations were needed to repair the damage. Though there are only a few documented cases users need to know of the dangers.

    Adverse reactions to the administration of sodium bicarbonate can include metabolic alkalosis, edema due to sodium overload, congestive heart failure, hyperosmolar syndrome, hypervolemic hypernatremia, and hypertension due to increased sodium. In patients who consume a high calcium or dairy-rich diet, calcium supplements, or calcium-containing antacids such as calcium carbonate (e.g., Tums), the use of sodium bicarbonate can cause milk-alkali syndrome, which can result in metastatic calcification, kidney stones, and kidney failure.

    In rare cases, metabolic alkalosis develops in a person who has ingested too much base from substances such as baking soda (bicarbonate of soda).  Severe metabolic alkalosis (ie, blood pH >7.55) is a serious medical problem. Mortality rates have been reported as 45% in patients with an arterial blood pH of 7.55 and 80% when the pH was greater than 7.65.

    Administration of sodium bicarbonate in amounts that exceed the capacity of the kidneys to excrete this excess bicarbonate may cause metabolic alkalosis. This capacity is reduced when a reduction in filtered bicarbonate occurs, as observed in renal failure, or when enhanced tubular reabsorption of bicarbonate occurs, as observed in volume depletion.[1]

    Metabolic alkalosis is the most common acid-base disturbance observed in hospitalized patients, accounting for approximately 50% of all acid-base disorders.

    • Severe alkalosis causes diffuse arteriolar constriction with reduction in tissue perfusion. By decreasing cerebral blood flow, alkalosis may lead to tetany, seizures, and decreased mental status. Metabolic alkalosis also decreases coronary blood flow and predisposes persons to refractory arrhythmias.

    • Metabolic alkalosis causes hypoventilation, which may cause hypoxemia, especially in patients with poor respiratory reserve, and it may impair weaning from mechanical ventilation.

    • Alkalosis decreases the serum concentration of ionized calcium by increasing calcium ion binding to albumin. In addition, metabolic alkalosis is almost always associated with hypokalemia (low potassium levels), which can cause neuromuscular weakness and arrhythmias, and, by increasing ammonia production, it can precipitate hepatic encephalopathy in susceptible individuals

    The physical signs of metabolic alkalosis are not specific and depend on the severity of the alkalosis. Because metabolic alkalosis decreases ionized calcium concentration, signs of hypocalcemia (eg, tetany, Chvostek sign, Trousseau sign), change in mental status, or seizures may be present.

    Symptoms of Alkalosis

    • Confusion(can progress to stupor or coma)
    • Hand tremor
    • Light-headedness
    • Muscle twitching
    • Nausea, vomiting
    • Numbness or tingling in the face or extremities
    • Prolonged muscle spasms (tetany)

    Tell your doctor if you have: pre-existing heart disease, kidney disease, liver disease, high blood pressure, or any allergies. Because this medication contains a large amount of sodium, remind your doctor if you are on a low sodium diet. This medication should be used only if clearly needed during pregnancy. Small amounts of sodium bicarbonate have been found to be present in breast milk.  Discuss the risks and benefits with your doctor even though he or she probably will not be fully aware of the benefits since they have never tried using it as a systemic medicine for chronic diseases like cancer and diabetes.

    Tell your doctor of any over-the-counter or prescription medication you may take and ask him about dangers and side effects that are common with such drugs. This medication has the potential to interact with many medications. Do not take any other medication within 1 to 2 hours of taking an antacid. If overdose is suspected, contact your local poison control center or emergency room immediately. US residents can call the US national poison hotline at 1-800-222-1222 Canadian residents should call their local poison control center directly. Symptoms of overdose may include irritability, muscle rigidity, and seizures.

    Before taking sodium bicarbonate, tell your doctor if you are taking

    • Mecamylamine (Inversine)
    • Methenamine (Mandelamine)
    • Ketoconazole (Nizoral)
    • Antacids
    • A tetracycline antibiotic such as tetracycline (Sumycin, Achromycin V, and others), demeclocycline (Declomycin), doxycycline (Vibramycin, Monodox, Doxy, and others), minocycline (Minocin, Dynacin, and others), or oxytetracycline (Terramycin, and others)

    You may not be able to take sodium bicarbonate, or you may require a dosage adjustment or special monitoring during treatment if you are taking any of the medicines listed above.

    If you miss a dose, take it as soon as remembered; do not take it if it is near the time for the next dose, instead, skip the missed dose and resume your usual dosing schedule. Do not “double-up” the dose to catch up. Store at room temperature between 59 and 86 degrees F (between 15 and 30 degrees C) away from heat, light and moisture.

    Make sure you only take a small amount of baking soda solution at any given time, since alkaline substances can neutralize most if not all acids in the stomach, causing the stomach to create more acid. This can, in turn, lead to more heartburn, which will cause you to ingest more baking soda solution and start a dangerous cycle.

    Folic acid is needed by the body to utilize Vitamin B12.[2] Antacids, including sodium bicarbonate, inhibit folic acid absorption.1 People taking antacids are advised to supplement with folic acid.

    Dr. Mark Sircus, Ac., OMD, DM (P)

    Director International Medical Veritas Association

    Doctor of Oriental and Pastoral Medic


  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2013

    live-  Hugs. Big and very gentle. Just looking at your Dx panel I see you have mets. It is my understanding, once you have mets youre automatically Stage IV? In any case, as you say, youre high risk, and I'm keen at my staging to looking into this. We all want to beat this monster. 

    "we are ruled by the RC church and the media ...complete corruption."

    I hear you I hear you!  +10 for having the guts to say so too.... of course in the name of free speech. I don't believe politics and religion can be separated because if you dig deep enough you can see that indeed "all roads lead to Rome". Everything is controlled by the few fat cats at the top, the hi up dudes, and this is not only pertinent to WA but everywhere. Mainstream Media SUCKS. Lies  lies and more lies.....then maybe a little "benign" truth.

    Well I've read these articles and thx again for posting.

    "When mixed and heated together, the maple syrup and baking soda bind together "

    Looking at both sides of the story is very necessary and wise. Unfortunately it can also be very confusing to know what or who to believe. Id be much like you and Momine. I'd want to see absolute proof that the maple syrup does in fact have this very dicey role to play. (ie it could be heaven or it could be hell)  We know that cancer feeds on sugar and carbs. VERY scary to increase our sugar level and correct me if Im wrong but maple syrup would be about the sweetest natural substance on this earth! Yiiikes! decisions decisions. I'd want solid proof that this "binding together" happens in a way that is backed by factual science.

    Me at my very limited basic medical knowledge ( NON professional) it  doesn't take rocket science to know that for some people increasing sodium could be life threatening. I use baking soda to wash my teeth. I can taste that it's very salty. That alone puts up a red flag that you would need to be careful with dosage levels.

    "It is very important not to use baking soda which has had aluminum added to it." 

    Yea I should've known! Is there not one thing that hasn't been played around with??? Ive got quite a bit of it stored in my HW cpboard as I use it for all sorts of things but I never thought to ask about its "credentials" LOL. NOw Im going to have to find some aluminium free BS. When I ask they'll probably look at me as if I come from another planet.

    It’s an irresistible chemical, cyanide to cancer cells for it hits the cancer cells with a shock wave of alkalinity, which allows much more oxygen into the cancer cells than they can tolerate. Cancer cells cannot survive in the presence of high levels of oxygen. Studies have already shown how manipulation of tumor pH with sodium bicarbonate enhances some forms of chemotherapy. [iii]

    irrestistible ? Maybe a language barrier thing but irrestible to who?

    Please keep us updated Liv- .

    Best,

    Musical

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited January 2013

    Liv, yes, I have read similar stuff. Which only goes to show, once again, that you have to be careful what you take and how much.

    In order for sugar to enter the bloodstream, it first has to be broken down in the gut, so it makes no sense that the bond would hold all the way to the tumor, unfortunately. It would be nifty if it did. Imagine curing cancer with pancakes :)

  • liv-
    liv- Member Posts: 521
    edited January 2013

    Tonight we are going back to medical basics with the application of the least expensive, safest and perhaps most effective cancer medicine there is.  Sodium bicarbonate has been on many cancer patients’ minds this past year.  It has not been easy though to get to Rome or even contact Dr. Tullio Simoncini for treatment. And doctors willing to give bicarbonate IVs are not on every corner so it’s been somewhat frustrating to have something so simple and effective remain elusive. If doctors doing such treatments want to be listed by the IMVA for referral please contact us.

    Though we have known that oral intake of sodium bicarbonate will have the ‘Simoncini” effect on oral, esophagus and stomach cancer we have not focused at all on the systemic effect of bicarbonate taken orally. Every cancer patient and every health care practitioner should know that oral intake of sodium bicarbonate offers an instant and strong shift of blood pH into the alkaline. So strong is the effect that athletes can notice the difference in their breathing as more oxygen is carried throughout the system and as more acids are neutralizedThe difference can be stunning for those whose respiration is labored under intense exercise loading. This tells us to take very seriously the oral use of bicarbonate for cancer treatment no matter what other treatment is used.

     

     This diagram shows the diffusion directions for H+, CO2, and O2 between the blood and the muscle cells during exercise. The resulting concentration changes affect the buffer equilibria, shown in the upper right-hand corner of the diagram (yellow). If the amounts of H+ and CO2 exceed the capacity of hemoglobin, they affect the carbonic acid equilibrium, as predicted by Le Châtelier's Principle or the quantitative treatment in terms of equilibrium constants. As a result, the pH of the blood is lowered, causing acidosis. The lungs and kidneys respond to pH changes by removing CO2, HCO3-, and H+ from the blood

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    regardless of the negative side effects of bicarb im going to continue taking it and would much prefer not to take the maple syrup.  not completely convinced that combining the two do not work so will contine with both for now.

    momine - im still trying to prove myself right.  we could patent the pancake chemo with delicious maple syrup. 

    ive actually changed to honey, the maple syrup which they all recommend  is oganic,  adirondack pure maple syrup, its hard to find a pure organic  apart from this one.  it tastes disgusting once combined and cooked with bicarb.  i do wonder if from the beginning this whole organic maple syrup was  not a marketing ploy targeting cancer patients because adirondack is the only one i could find.

    midnight- the onc that i sacked  told me because of nodes on chest wall  i was a stage 4 but i wont take that because it is not a distant organ, so im still a stage 3 in my eyes.

    "When mixed and heated together, the maple syrup and baking soda bind together "

    this is the million dollar question, i will hunt and hunt and next time at the chemist i will talk to the pharmacist and see what they say.

    the sodium intake is a worry, will also check that out with pharmacist.

    "It is very important not to use baking soda which has had aluminum added to it." 

    again dont know of many bi carb soda that have aluminium in them, me the skeptic because they always mention Mckenzies brand,again could this be a marketing ploy??

    quote >irresistible ? Maybe a language barrier thing but irresistible to who?  lol what a strange word to use when bottom line, were talking cancer -

    thanks lovlies for your imput, much apprecated, if you need me youll find me ground floor, lab 2.

    still the skeptic but will keep taking both.

    xxxx

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited January 2013

    Liv, lol, yes, that would be great: Pancake Chemo.

    What you quote jibes with something I came across when checking the soda/syrup claim. As I remember it, the thinking (or perhaps they had actual proof/a study, don't remember) was that simply ingesting some soda prior to chemo could boost the effectiveness of chemo. That is far more logical to me than the syrup business.

  • liv-
    liv- Member Posts: 521
    edited January 2013

    momine i think we are pretty safe with the bicarb itself but wouldnt recommend it unless spoken to a gp about the salt etc.

    ive got my mum and dad on the bicarb on a really low dose, half a teaspoon once a day with water.

    supposed to be good for gout and arthritis..

    xx

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited January 2013

    Yes, all things in moderation is still a good principle, I think. When I was first DXed, my first thought was to take massive doses of vitamins and other supplements, but the more I read, the more I realized that even helpful substances are not necessarily more helpful in large doses, and sometimes quite the opposite.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2013

    midnight- the onc that i sacked  told me because of nodes on chest wall  i was a stage 4 but i wont take that because it is not a distant organ, so im still a stage 3 in my eyes.

    Ummm I think you meant Musical LOL, youre getting me mixed up with midnight another kiwi poster. 

    Oh OK I wasn't aware of that about the near site and the distant organs. Thx for that. 

    Well youre doing a great job Liv- in hunting down this issue. I sooo hope that all works out well for you. I totally agree with the salt issue and getting advice about that. I  would seriously be suspicious about the maple syrup. Someone needs to supply irrefutable proof. Another thing thats interesting and has been mentioned AND poo-hooed on BC forum, is the use of lemon. One thing, IT CAN'T HURT. I would've thought that lemon was acidic purely through how acidy it is to the taste, but it goes to show it pays not to presume anything. Apparently it is alkaline. A little slice in your drink of water every day certainly wouldnt hurt.

    Thankyou for your work youre doing on this.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited January 2013

    Musical, agree on the lemon. A friend of mine grows her own and sends me a huge bag regularly. I use them in water, in tea, on salads, on cooked veggies, fish etc. That is what Greeks do anyway, and they may well be on to something.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2013

    Momine may I ask, have you been just doing this just intermittently with no definite plan in mind, or have you started it up as a possible preventative treatment? If the 2nd scneario how long have you been doing this?

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited January 2013

    Musical, no, no definite plan, but I do try to use it as much as possible. I like lemon anyway, and figure the C vitamin is probably a good idea as well. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2013

    Momine, I don't always have access to it, but sometimes I get given a number of lemons. I then freeze the juice. I wonder if that would reduce the goodness any?

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited January 2013

    Musical, I don't know. I am a bit spoiled by living in Greece.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2013

    MOmine, lotsa people have their own lemon trees here... unfortunately I'm not one of them.

  • HLB
    HLB Member Posts: 1,760
    edited January 2013

    Lemon will make your water alkaline and is very good for the liver and digestion so it definitely a good habit. The way I read and have been doing every night is you sqeeze the juice of half a lemon into a cup of hot water and sip like tea. I have been adding honey so its like hot lemonade. I'm pretty all citrus fruits will be alkaline in the body.

    I just bought some Bobs Red Mill baking soda and pure maple syrup. I'm reluctant to do it but there's so much info all over the internet about it I wonder if its worth a try anyway. Of course there's never any proof with these "cures" but I did come across a blog awhile ago by some guy who did it. He wrote down every day when he took it and every day he would measure his ph and after I think about 10 days he got to the right ph and kept it there for 2 or 3 days. He had a lot of symptoms from doing this because apparently it can be dangerous to go so alkaline, but according to him it worked. He didn't have any maple syrup on hand so he used black strap molasses. I wouldn't mind seeing a few (hundred) more people telling a story of success with it but so far that's the only one I found. Maybe I will look for more. I wasn't actually looking for people telling the story but just looking for info on the bs/ms cure. Maybe if I do a search saying was anyone cured with baking soda? Well, I've got the stuff and if I work up my nerve I will let you know.

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