What do you feel will be the next best treatment on the horizon?

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Pure
Pure Member Posts: 1,796

I am hearing so much about the vacinne..I am not sure how far we are from this but I am clinging to hope for it for my daughter...Anyone hear about any other great tx's coming up?

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  • TectonicShift
    TectonicShift Member Posts: 752
    edited July 2020

    I believe that the next big change to standard of care treatment will be giving Herceptin to low Her2 patients. They are only about one year in to the phase III trial but it's going on at more than 700 sites and I believe they will establish that it does benefit low Her2 cancer.

    After that I think it will be the NeuVax vaccine for HLA type A2 positive patients to reduce recurrence, which is also only about one year in to the phase III trial.

    (And this year, 2013, they are starting a trial giving both Herceptin and the NeuVax vaccine to low Her2 patients at the same time!)

    The frustrating thing right now is that the science is moving much faster than the human trials can move. Vaccines, nanotechnology, new drugs based on gene mutations -- it's happening very fast in the labs. But testing it all still takes first a phase I trial, then a phase II trial, then a phase III trial -- which take A LOT of time and A LOT of money.

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited January 2013

    Injectable Herceptin.

  • Pure
    Pure Member Posts: 1,796
    edited January 2013

    What does it mean to be LOW HER 2 Positive? I thought you were either her 2 pos or not?

  • TectonicShift
    TectonicShift Member Posts: 752
    edited July 2021

    Some tumors grow in the presence of Her2 because they have Her2 receptors in the cells. There are two Her2 tests: FISH test and IHC test. They give one of four results: Her2-0, Her2-1+, Her2-2+, Her2-3+.

    (Sometimes one of the two tests will give you one result and the other test will give you a different result. One of the tests is considered more accurate than the other, but both are subjective. I think they are both staining tests, where they stain a bit of your tumor with a reagent and then the pathologist sort of judges what percentage of your tumor cells have Her2 receptors, often with the help of a computer, but I'm not sure about that.)

    Her2-0 literally means no Her2 receptors on your tumor cells, hence "Her2-zero."

    Her2-1+ means a small number of Her2 receptors on your tumor cells.

    Her2-2+ means a moderate number of Her2 receptors.

    Her2-3+ means you have a lot of Her2 receptors, also said you "overexpress" Her2, or it is also said that Her2 is "overamplified." ONLY IN THIS CASE are you called "Her2 positive." If your path report simply states your tumor is Her2 positive, or "overexpresses" Her2, or Her2 is "amplified," that means you are Her2-3+.

    Her2-0, Her2-1+ and Her2-2+ are all called Her2-negative, but in reality Her2-1+ and Her2-2+ are Her2-low because they have a small number of Her2 receptors. It was previously thought that Herceptin would only help patients that overexpress Her2, meaning those who are Her2-3+. Now they are testing to see if it actually helps people who are "Her2-negative but low Her2" meaning Her2-1+ and Her2-2+. The small studies they've done so far indicate it just might. But it is controversial in the onc. field. That's why they are doing the phase III trial. Dr. Soon Paik is the researcher who has been spearheading this research for past x number of years.

    Her2-0 (Her2-zero) means Herceptin is definitely of no use to you. Neither are some of the vaccines currently in trial, because they operate on the Her2 protein. BUT nevertheless, to be Her2-0 is a great thing. Her2 makes your cancer more aggressive, and the more Her2 you have the more aggressive your tumor is likely to be. Patients who are Her2-0 are often 100% ER+ which has the best prognosis as doctors have really figured out how to stop estrogen in the body. I think at least 80% of breast cancers have SOME Her2 receptors.

    edited to add: Sometimes a path report will state the Her2 test shows an "equivocal" result of Her2-2+. That means you are on the borderline between Her2 positive and Her2 negative. It's not an exact science.

  • hopefour
    hopefour Member Posts: 459
    edited January 2013

    TectonicShift,

    I want to thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge with us. It is because of you and the information on another tread that I tried to do a vaccine trail at MD Anderson...I was told my Her2 was to low which was dissappionting. I assume from what you wrote above I am zero...not sure if it is a good thing or not, but your knowledge concerning this topic was useful for me to gain greater understanding. I seek information in my attempt to survive, but sadly I struggle to understand all that seems so easy for you. Again thank you as you share in such away that makes BC info understandable for me making my battle with BC easier!! 

  • TectonicShift
    TectonicShift Member Posts: 752
    edited October 2014

    You're welcome, hopefour. What trial were you trying to get on? 

    And do you have a copy of your path report? If so, what does it say about Her2? (You can PM me if you want)

    To be grade 1 and extremely low Her2 or possibly Her2-0, with only four nodes positive, is very favorable. I would be happy to be in your situation.

  • hopefour
    hopefour Member Posts: 459
    edited January 2013

    TectonicShift,

    I contacted MD Anderson last Sept. about the AE37/NCT00524277 Trail. The RN over it was very gracious and called me to tell me I was a bit to far out from treatment as well as my low Her2 being to low. My report states Her2-neg...nothing else stated and my Ki-67 is 14% with a grade 1. It was because of your info on this sight that I knew to try for the trail..thank you! I feel now that I am one year out this month from end of treatment I would not be able to do any other trails. Thank you again for your willingness to share your understanding of BC issues...it's so helpful to us all!

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