I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • YramAL
    YramAL Member Posts: 1,651
    edited December 2012

    You don't seem to have dementia, though. Tongue Out (Teasing, teasing.....)

    Mary

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited December 2012

    I used to be a walking encyclopedia.  Now when someone asks me anything my usual answer is "I don't remember", and I really don't.   hahaahahaaha

    I think your brother had Lewy Bodies, Mary.  That speeds up the disease and causes dementia.

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited December 2012

    Bill Clinton eats only plants - "nothing with a mother" applies to animals.  I would bet, he's not only Vegan, but Raw Vegan.  It seems like the natural progression.  The next step would be harvesting Burdock and Dandelions from the forest and grasslands.  I doubt he's "there."

    Interesting about BP.  My deceased gf's son is BP.  He married a woman who is also BP and expresses an interest in having children, much to his father's consternation (who would be the one left holding some of the burden for this child, given the degree of this young man's illness and need for care).   On top of that, he has a 50% chance of being brca+, like his mother.

  • YramAL
    YramAL Member Posts: 1,651
    edited December 2012

    Very possible on the Lewy Bodies, Blue. His doctors weren't aware of his dementia as soon as they should have been. My brother and my mom were in a conspiracy of sorts to hide it from his doctors and the rest of the family. Long, sad, story of co-dependence. Sometimes illness brings out the best in a family, other times, not so much.

    Mary

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited December 2012

    So sorry Mary.  And so true!

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited December 2012

    Clinton will have to start eating plastic at this point. Plants have parents - they are just rather distant. They spit it out, if you will. Send the child to boarding school at a young age.  :-)

    Kam, I would not have children with a bipolar man. That is my choice, of course. The brca gene is far less determinative. And I don't intend to say that there cannot be a happy family where everyone is bipolar so if it works for someone, that is great.

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited December 2012

    There are always exceptions!  My sister's DH is bi-polar, the first and only in his family, and hopefully the last.  They were all exceptionally bright -- all doctors, dentists, and inventor/entrepreneurs.  Of course, there may have been a greatgrandfather un-diagnosed......

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited December 2012

    Most likely someone undiagnosed, Lindasa. It happens very often that people with bipolar don't know officially of a diagnosis earlier in their family.

    Usually, either the person was undiagnosed, or misdiagnosed as "having had a nervous breakdown" or "having spent months/years in hospital" or someone who was an "alcoholic/drug addict" and because of this never had the underlying bipolar detected or treated. Or a parent or grandparent had unipolar depression and was merely known as "rather melancholy." Or an aunt somewhere about whom little is known because she "did not get along" with the family or was just "weird" or "crazy."  The relative or parent no one wants to talk about, etc...It takes a fairly detailed family history to uncover such things.

    Unipolar depression also inherits to bipolar, it seems, as well as the other way around. BUT one relative may have more pronounced symptoms - the reasons for this are not known, although the environment of the person can certainly affect symptoms. A less stressful world such as that which existed in the 30s, 40s or fifties may have shielded some from being as symptomatic.

    It's a complex web of things.

    AND there is always the possibility that someone has been misdiagnosed as bipolar. Mild cases of bipolar are increasingly being diagnosed as full blown illnesses. Hey, welcome to our "me too!" culture (still pissed off about that blogger claiming the mantle of Lanza's mother). Childhood bipolar is actually very rare but is sometimes over-diagnosed.

    Many cases are either under- or over-diagnosed because there is an acute shortage of properly trained diagnosticians. Pediatricians, social workers and PCPs are not provided the training they need.

    I am of the opinion that no diagnosis of a major mental illness should be made by any other than a medical doctor with a mental health specialty. Or a clinical psychologist with additional neurological training. There are too many biological issues to be aware of. JMO.

    Then, of course, you have armchair diagnoses.....arrrrgggghhhhh!

    ETA: Shortened.

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited December 2012

    That's interesting info, Athena.  My sister and BIL have one son, in his late 40's.  He was very hyperactive and precocious as a child, but as an adult, he became an entrepreneur, married, has 2 university-going children, sold his business and now does what he totally enjoys, working in the hockey development field with teenagers.  He travels all over Europe, Russia and the U.S., arranging hockey tournaments and hockey schools!  His kids are wonderful, and my fingers are crossed that no BP problems befall either of them.

  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited December 2012

    Hillary had a recent interview with Barbara WaWa.  Sorry couldn't resist.  Anyway, the hair question came up and Hillary said the expense and time required for constant hair styling was not a priority for her anymore and people will just have to get over it.  She tends to her own.  Yes it isn't glamorous, but her work is the priority and I admire her immensely.

    She would be a fantastic President but that time may have passed.

  • Wabbit
    Wabbit Member Posts: 1,592
    edited December 2012

    I remember when Hillary first came on the scene.  Straight hair and a headband and OMG did they give her grief.  So she messed with different hairdos and played the game for years.  My guess is that she really does not (and never did) give a hoot about hair styles and is now saying pooey with it all.  Even though I think she looks better with shorter hair I still say good for her for doing it her way now.  

       

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited December 2012
  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited December 2012

    I will drink to that, Lindasa.

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited December 2012

    What's with me and public holidays - went for a bike ride - did the long 16km trip in the same time I did it last time. Didn't have to get off and walk at all - made it up all the small slopes. I am totally pooped now and hot and sweaty.

    Blue - love the Doors!!!

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited December 2012

    Blue, interesting about the stiff as a board thing with PD. That was my grandpa. He refused the drugs, because he was afraid of "seeing little green men." That is the dopamine connection. In schiz, too much dopa makes you hallucinate, in PD too little makes you tremble or freeze up. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2012

    Agree with Kam, Athena - the 2008 pic of HRC shows the work of Isabelle ) on her make up and hair) and probably a fabulous facial/Botox/ dermatologist treatments too.  Don' rforget, she was running for office.  Chuckled with chickadee's post - didn't see the interview, but read her comments about "hair."

    And Athena mentioned weight - that really is a win/lose for women's facesHRC has gained quite a bit of wieght in the past 4 years.  Too thin & we get wrinkles, aging - and too much weight thickens us, bye-bye any jaw line that might still be there.  jowls.  ugh.  BUT, and this is a big butt, I so prefer what a more natural looking woman looks like as she ages: Judi Dench, Helen Hayes - instead of what the popular culture/zeitgeist is doing to women.  Actresses who can't move their faces, or look like snapping turtles caught in a wind tunnel.  Yuck.

    Nancy Pelosi must have stock in Botox.  Made worse by the strange way she tries to smile & talk at the same time - reminds me of Marla Maples, Diana Ross did that too - weird - watching someone try to smile & talk at the same time.

    Happy New Year - going to visit friends, we're all early to sleep folks.

    Listening to NPR report of blood clot re HRC.  Serious - but manageable - discovered in MRI, in head, between brain & outer bone....whew....she deserves a rest, b4 2016.

  • 208sandy
    208sandy Member Posts: 2,610
    edited December 2012

    Poor Hillary - here she is one of the smartest, most accomplished women of our generation and what do we talk about HER WEIGHT AND HER HAIR!!!!!  Guess we're still not liberated...how sad.

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited January 2013

    Hah! We've got a feminist discussion going. JUst what Yours Truly needs to forget the Yucky thing everyone keeps saying today. :-)

    Sandy, first of all, how are you doing, friend? Been wondering about you, the tx plan, etc....

    I am personally more concerned about Hillary's health than her looks. BUT I happen to look at the feminism thing rather differently: the fact that we can talk about her looks without it changing our perception of her abilities - THAT is the progress, IMO.                          

    Men get stereotyped and objectified too - remember JFK. And yet people still said they would vote for him. With Hillary, likewise, both men and women express their preferences regardless of what they think of her as a woman.

    And I NEVER forget that I owe my sister forebearers of the sixties and of the twenties a huge debt of gratitude for allowing e that independence. I don't take dictates from men. I don't take dictates from women (one reason why I am so against Emily's list and I think it is a way of thinking that needs to be retired).

    My mouse is not working so my posts may have even more proofing errors and belated proofing edits than usual. Apologies.  

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited January 2013

    I doubt that Hillary will run in 2016.  She can do wonderful things emphasising women's rights on an international scale with her own foundation.  The effectiveness of any elected official is marginalized by the continuous need for fundraising.  She will have more freedom to accomplish lasting good outside of elective office. 

  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited January 2013

    Lewing, congratulations and much happiness.  The picture was excellent.

    Hubby is looking into the possibility of us moving here.  Prices are steep, but the heat makes me feel much better.  We'll see....  we could see our son and his family more often which is a big plus as well.  But prices are insane....

    I cannot BELIEVE that our government simply could not get it's act together.  So everyone hold hands, close their eyes and let's JUMP!!!

  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited January 2013

    HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! (though it's only 2:00 PM here....) 

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited January 2013

    GG, I think I'll hang glide off the cliff! WHEEEEEEE!!

    HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL!!!

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited January 2013

    Despite the wrong date at the bottom of this....I liked it:

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited January 2013

    I think my mouse is manic - with psychotic features, I'm afraid. It keeps thinking left click is right click, it highlights things, opens and closes windows and won't even let me run"system restore."

     It acts like a keyboard. Obviously I must have "pressed something wrong...." off to see what I can do about it. In the meantime, in an attempt to not disturb the fates, I superstitiously wish everyone a crummy new year! May your nightmares come true. Let's see if that works.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited January 2013

    Learned a lot about Parkinson's ( my dad passed away from it in 1996 ) and my son is a BP.  As far as Dad, he had mainly an arm and hand that "shook" all the time.  He has one of the drugs that was mentioned that helped a little.......as often he would get worn out just having to work so hard to keep food on his fork and get it successfully up to his mouth. 

    He also used to see little men in his room and would tell my Mom to come meet them.  My mother was a little upset, but as I told her ( I was not living near them then ) he is somewhat better with the medication and it it not ogres or other types of monsters that he sees.  He enjoys the little men in his room and as long as he isn't troubled by it all, I'd leave it alone.  What eventualy seemed to happen though is that he could not readily swallow after a while.  He was 83 when he passed on and lived much, much longer than he ever thought he would.  I still miss this wonderful man but my memories which are all wonderful remain very much alive and well and still bring me hours of contentment when I think of him.

    My son now....at 42 was hyper-active as a very young person....right about kindergarten.  He was really difficult and in later years did his schooling at a residential school and came home on the week-ends.  He never really did too well, and later on was diagnosed as bi-polar.  We don't have a real ideas of the origination point......there were alcoholics on one side ( father's ) and father is a severe alcoholic though he has had long interludes of sobriety.  Hope this one holds as his current health could not survive another bout.  My family is something of a mystery with those things however....what I do know is that there are multiple decendents within my family while first husband's were French Canadian and Irish.  Thinking with the English, Dutch, German, Indian, French and who knows what else, many things could be possible. 

    GG....I'm with you.  Pretty disgusted that we don't have things ironed out  ---  even a small part. 

    I'll be praying tonight for a far better yr.  I'll also be going to bed on time as I'll be working tomorrow, but then, at my age.....I never made it awake and fall asleep long before any ball drops anywhere.  I did the parties and wee hours yrs. ago and the charm of it was spent out long ago.  I'm happy now just to quietly wake up to the New Yr. usually with high hopes.  See you all next year.

    Jackie

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited January 2013

    I think I might watch Kathy Griffin and Anderson Cooper bring in the New Year tonite. It will be over by 9pm on the west coast, so good for the bedtime.  She is so irreverant and annoys Elisbeth Hasselback to no end.  After that, might tune into the Senate and watch the vote on the FC.

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited January 2013
  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited January 2013

    Jackie, as you probably know already, it is very common for bipolars to self-medicate with alcohol. So that tribe of alcoholics might well have had some bipolars among them.

  • alexandria58
    alexandria58 Member Posts: 1,588
    edited January 2013

    HAPPY NEW YEAR!!  I stayed up until midnight, watching BBC shows, Foyle's War and sherlock holmes.  It occurs to me that Sherlock might be bi-polar.

    Anyway, DD will be in bed for a bit, so i have my computer.  WHEE!! She goes home on WEdnesday.  I will miss her, but I will be happy to have my computer to myself again.

  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited January 2013

    Happy New Year, all!  Got home to Brooklyn a little after noon yesterday, unloaded the car, unpacked, tidied the house (two weeks away = lots of cat throw-up, ugh), restocked the pantry, and had a nice dinner in.  I was nodding off by 9 pm but managed to get it together to walk to the park with Eric to watch the fireworks -- spectacular!  (My daughter, usually a night owl, crashed and was asleep when we got home.)

    Sunflowers, I'm still laughing at your "snapping turtle in a wind tunnel" image.

    Sandy, thanks so much for sharing those beautiful wedding memories.

    Heading out now for a run to clear my head (and count the empty champagne bottles on the Brooklyn Bridge).  Many, many thanks, again, to everyone for your good wishes.

    Linda

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