I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange
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Glenna. My daughter is 32 now, was 28 when she decided she had to stop. She was losing everything, her daughter, her self respect. It has been incredibly difficult. Yes, she did go to AA with her boyfriend. It helped her to see how difficult it was for other people. She had become totally wrapped up in one big self destructive ball of "me". She found the faith based aspects amusing. Could not surrender to a higher power. Because she felt that substance abuse and alcoholism was also surrender. Hearing other people's stories about how they were struggling to stay sober was what she found helpful. Not the god stuff.
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Hi. I've been running around since yesterday morning - ah the Christmas season - so haven't weighed in. Sending my support to Chick and Glenna and anyone else who has had to struggle with mental health issues with their children. I haven't had the violence issue - at least not against others- but I'vealso had to deal with a child's mental health problems. My youngest also was hospitalized multiple times for depression and suicidal ideation in her mid to late teens. She couldn't take the stress of high school, and we took her out of public school and let her finish at the local community college. We had diagnoses that ranged from bi-polar to borderline personality to major depressive disorder. It turns out that a big part of the problem is questioning her gender identity. She's doing tremendously now, (and I should probably be using the male pronoun since despite having a boy friend, she identifies as male, but old habits die hard). We went to so many psychiatrists and psychologists, and I so agree that it is hard to find good people that know what the hell they're talking about. She was put on so many psychiatric medications that only made her worse, and now, on no meds, and with a better sense of who she is, and she has a 3.92 college average, a circle of friends, and a therapist who understands her. When she was doing badly, though, it was so incredibly frustrating and upsetting. Even now, I still hold my breath sometimes, worrying that things could go south again.
I think just the experience of this small group shows how far we still need to go on mental health issues. There is still so much we don't understand about how the brain functions or how to treat problems or how to support the parents of kids with problems. There is still so much stigma attached to any mental health problems. I just hope this conversation continues.
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Wow. Some amazing and incredibly raw and powerful stories. Thank you for sharing. I cannot comprehend some of the challenges many of you have and/or continue to face. I wish you all the best and hope for positive outcomes. I have a few friends who have teenage sons with some issues (one with OCD and another with prescription pill abuse) and I know they are frustrated over the lack of good options and good care. (Lack of good doctors/therapists, conflicting diagnoses, services not covered by insurance, etc...). Thinking of these friends, I was reminded of an article I read in the NYT last year. I found it and will post it here.
"Talk Doesn’t Pay, So Psychiatry Turns Instead to Drug Therapy"
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/06/health/policy/06doctors.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
Also, yesterday read an interesting article re: the "young, angry white male"
"Masculinity, mental illness and guns: A lethal equation?"
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/19/living/men-guns-violence/index.html?iref=allsearch
And some good reads from the NYT:
"On Guns, America Stands Out"
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/opinion/blow-on-guns-america-stands-out.html?_r=0
"Looking for Lessons in Newtown"
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/opinion/kristof-looking-for-lessons-in-newtown.html
I am hopeful that the latest tragedy will be a turning point for my country. People of all political persuasions and backgrounds are opening their eyes, their hearts and their minds. Hopefully the dialogues we, as a nation, are beginning to have regarding gun safety, mental health needs, and violent video games, among other things, will lead to some real and positive solutions.
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This is hilarious! Thanks HL!
http://www.buzzfeed.com/daves4/the-25-funniest-autocorrects-of-2012
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MAD Magazine -- still going strong!

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Hugs,grace, and blessings to Chick and Glenna as well from another one of you. My son is 42, diagnosed around kindergarten/first grade ADHD and later manic-depressive. At 42, that as well as alcoholic drug user. I think the sequence mainly was....use drugs till people won't share theirs with you anymore and you can't afford them, then graduate downward to alcohol. I'll always care and love him, but I had to leave him in California when I moved back here to home. For some time he was able to "see" where he was responsible for "his" choices, but I think is losing that. Most of the time I just hope and pray he will 'make' it ok as he is on his own and was given all the tools we could find along with all the love we had.
It was hard to leave him, but I often enabled him to a degree. As earlier stated, he was a great deal of the time better rather than the 'worse" that has shown up these last few years and jmo but I feel the long bouts of excessive drinking which is hard on the body and brain, along with what drugs he could get, have gone into producing a lot of the 'negative' incidences.
Not to copy-cat.....I've made peace with it all, but just to say.....it's good for me to know how prevalent these things are. I went thru my "what did I do so wrong" periods about this beautiful blond little boy that I adored. I'll never cease worrying, but he has to be in charge. I have a daughter two yrs. younger with virtually no issues......that is my blessing.
Storms here today......I sure think winter will show up by tonight.
Gratified that President is Man Of The Year. He has had so much to deal with and though of course, he could have done things, a great deal of the time somewhat differently, he has proven that he will fight for what the American people say they want.
Seems like the "money/tax issues" are still shaky. Boehner needs leverage that so far isn't there. Sigh !!! Hope this can get resolved. Frustrated here as usual.
All have a great day.
Jackie
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My sides hurt from laughing! That buzzfeed link to the autocorrects totally wiped from my mind what I was going to say here.
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Sad and telling that mental illness has impacted so many of us.
Love Mad Magazine!
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Catching up after a busy work day yesterday. Blue, my head is aching I lauged so much at those autocorrects.
My heart is aching for everyone dealing with mental illness in their families. All three of my children had ADHD which we managed to get through although there were times that I wondered how. Others in my family have dealt with depression and anxiety but never anything violent in their behaviour. I suspect part of the problem is that mental illness is as diverse and complicated as breast cancer. There is no ONE solution.
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I've often wondered if the stress from dealing with my daughter's mental health issues is what triggered my cancer. It's interesting to me that so many of us here have, or have had, that stress in their lives. Her problem was pretty much a sudden, unanticipated event(though looking back, I can now see the signs) and the shock was so great, I could hardly even breathe. I wonder what that much stress does to the human body.
Mary
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Wow, trying to catch up...
Kam, I'm getting little birds like chickaddes and nuthatches, juncos, as well as Stellar Jays, flickers, and the bane of my feeder the wild turkeys. I'm waiting for the evening grossbeaks and the crossbills.
Glenna, big hugs to you. Sharing your story was gutsy, but I'm sure it helps to talk about all you've been through. Tough love has to be the hardest thing ever.
Mental illness has been a stigma for so long that it's hard to break that pattern of thought in the community and among individuals. We need a big push on education, identification, and back it up with treatment.
Blue, congrats on little Wendell. What a cute name for a little guy!
Wind's trying to blow us to Kansas today. All the snow I shovelled off the driveway has now drifted back...At least it's warming up a bit and the sun is out. Two days of gloom is all I can handle!
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All I want for Christmas is.......

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Thanks to all for sharing difficult stories of your children. Puts what I now see as some petty annoyances in perspective.
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The lack of dopamine in my brain often causes me to slip into the "pit". Its really hard but I try to manage it with my meds, which work quite well.
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Feel free to add a suitable caption...This is our Spike...I've always called this "How much longer do I have to wear this stupid hat?"
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I think your caption is perfect, Chickadee. I don't think I can think of a better one. I love pugs.
My avatar is my granddog, Annie, and I caption it, "She worked so hard to make Christmas happen."
Mary
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Chickadee - I think the caption under Spike's picture says it all - he's sooooo cute!
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How about.....Stop staring at me and I'll stop staring at you!
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I'm not really Santa but Winston Churchill in Disguise!
or plainly.....
WTF!
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Haha. That's like "take a picture, it lasts longer". Oops I did. ;-)
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WASHINGTON -- As pressure builds on the National Rifle Association to give up some of its hardline positions in the wake of the shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School, an advocacy organization is targeting companies that are affiliated with the gun lobbying group.
The NRA's website has a page that lists endorsed companies and services where members can receive discounts. Affiliated businesses include rental car companies, real estate services and hotel chains.
Nearly all of the affiliated hotels are part of the Wyndham Hotels and Resorts group. NRA members can receive 10 percent off at more than 6,500 participating hotels in the Wyndham family.
Avaaz.org is calling on Wyndham to end its affiliation with the NRA. The online activism group has 17 million members worldwide and close to a million in the United States.
More here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/20/nra-business_n_2337901.html?view=print&comm_ref=false
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Fingers crossed!
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Love these photos of our First Family (taken earlier this month):


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Finally wrapping presents.
Racking brain trying to remember WHICH nephew it is that I bought the Pittsburgh Steelers shower curtain for. My ignorance of US team sports is astounding, but I know enough to not risk giving the wrong team to the wrong boy. There are also beach towels to dole out.
Also have to remember which niece likes which Nintendo or Wii or whatever it is I bought.
Athena the Clueless
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Athena,.....gift cards!

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Belinda - I would have done something like that, but I am trying to at least partly follow a family backlash against gift cards. We give too many of them, it seems, and there have been complaints that it makes our Christmas tree look less than packed. I am still giving some people gift cards, though. I know better than to give an adolescent girl (oldest niece) anything else...for one!
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We do a decent mix of gift cards and fun little gifts
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LOL! (That's how gift cards are such a giveaway).
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