Are BFFs or friends letting you down when you need them most?

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  • truebff
    truebff Member Posts: 642
    edited October 2012

    I actually was having a really rough day early on, which is why it was such a blessing for me to come across the above and another exercise. I realized I was focused, today, on some fresh pain. After the exercises, reorienting my intention for focus, I still had my hurts, but I was focused on better energy and thoughts and that REALLY helped me in the afternoon tremendously.

    We can't cancel out that our hurts or anger or sense of being betrayed are valid. They are. And we have to go through them, not deny them. And each person will know when they are ready or able to move on. But when we refocus at least our intention to be clear of those hurts, it changes things or it can move it slightly in a better direction.

    I am always amazed at how what we are thinking/feeling about can change our breath, our bodies, our expressions.

    Love to all here, no matter where you are in your own processing of these matters.

  • evergreen9
    evergreen9 Member Posts: 131
    edited October 2012

    For the most part, I was overwhelmed with the wonderful support I had from my girlfriends, and two male friends of the family. I could not have asked for better.And my husband and adult children were wonderful. So I was very lucky!

    But there were surprises, the person who said, "Call me when you feel better, I don't do well with sick people". My neighbors, who we frequently visited with before bc, never visited once during my 5 months of chemo, but asked me over for tea in the winter, even though my husband had told them that I could barely make it to the kitchen or make my own breakfast.

    My girlfriend is a psychologist, and tells me to harbour no guilt for not interacting with such folks again. I am polite when I see them, but I am much more picky re how I spend my time now. Most of the time, if I don't feel like it, I don't do it....

  • fredntan
    fredntan Member Posts: 1,821
    edited October 2012

    I have made new better friends

  • Katski
    Katski Member Posts: 55
    edited October 2012

    My immediate family(brothers, sisters, mom, dad(12 of them) treat me like I am cautagious or something.  I realize that people cope with things in their own way but why can't a phone call or text be done.  Now, I am not expecting anything from them b/c I will not be disappointed.  But I am the one who always was there in a family crisis(death or illness).  I feel very deserted and betrayed.  And when all this treatment is said and done, then what?  It will be all rosey-posey again.  I do try to call and leave messages(every now and then) but nothing is returned.  Frustration City here!!  I am college educated and here I am ranting like a spoiled child.  Sorry.

  • Mardibra
    Mardibra Member Posts: 1,111
    edited October 2012

    akrazykat - i know EXACTLY how you feel.  Sucks, huh?

  • fredntan
    fredntan Member Posts: 1,821
    edited October 2012

    That totally sucks

  • Katski
    Katski Member Posts: 55
    edited October 2012

    I tell my husband I am a freak.  My body betrayed me and how am I ever going to trust it again.  I absolutely hate the way I look.  And I do not trust my doctors.  So now what?

  • fredntan
    fredntan Member Posts: 1,821
    edited October 2012

    Akcrazykat,

    Your body will heal, you can grow new boobs, if you lose your hair it will just grow back. You are not a freak. Your boobs just tried to kill you.

    Since its family, you may just have to call them up and tell them how you feel. My sister felt depressed about my shit. I just walked over and told her I needed her. Your family may be frozen in fear. They may not know what to say.

    Some of my friends did this too me. I finally just letthem go. My kids are still friendswith there kids.

    But you are going to have to deal with your family. Call them, tell them what you need

  • fredntan
    fredntan Member Posts: 1,821
    edited November 2012

    I have to bring this post back to life.

    tell me what I should do. I had a friend and we were friends since our kids were in preschool. they are best friends. (kids are 16 now) we have been moving apart for last few years. but we still keep in touch. texting occasionally. she was absent during my whole year of recovery. she fell off face of earth. A lot of my friends did that. I have made new friends. I sent her a fb message last friday. she hasn't responded. I asked her point blank if she wants to be friends anymore. nothing harsh at all. I just want some closure. She hasn't responded to any of my last texts. nothing. i want to keep communication open since my dd used to practically live over at her house. 

    I guess the ball is in her court. I have sent her a fb message. I was thinking of sending text. but she probably won't answer that. For the life of me I just can't figure out why people do this. its so childish. 

    okay guess I feel better now. just needed to get that out. no one else understands how it feels.

    next.........

  • pegs54
    pegs54 Member Posts: 45
    edited November 2012

    I was relieved to find this topic. I do not feel the need for pity party as I have the best support system in my husband & children. I do feel very sad for the surprising lack of communication from a couple of girlfriends I have known for years.

    I guess it's time for me to realize relationships change over time & I need to put the negativity I feel behind me & move on.

  • softness1
    softness1 Member Posts: 217
    edited December 2012

    My sister. What's crazy is in Sept she had Whipple Surgery for pancreas cancer. Immediately took 2 weeks off work to fly down to bham, Al to help her out. Fast forward to mid of Oct. I'm nervous cuz my mammagram is suspicious. I found my dx on 11/6/12. I called her from my doctors parking lot crying into the phone & she said " that's horrible but did u vote?"



    I was crying ridiculously. I was by myself in the car and she asking about voting. My mother died 16 yrs ago. My dad is sickly, I called her first cuz A) we're very close & B) I knew she'd be home. Nonetheless since then I've heard from heard about 6 times. Before then I'd talk to her about 4-10 times a week. My bro thinks she's upset that atten isn't so heavy on her. She almost 50 I'm 42. I'm so shocked. I used my time to go help her. 10 vacay days I now need but can't get back. I'm on STD but when I go back to work I don't have days to take if I'm tired or want to leave early .... It wouldn't bother me but it sucks knowing she don't care I had bilateral last Wed & she called me once. As kids I always looked up to her... This is almost worse than the surgery itself

  • mrenee68
    mrenee68 Member Posts: 383
    edited December 2012

    Softness1 - so sorry your sister is treating you this way. Ah,family what to do with them. My husband and kids have been great to me, they have been with me every step of the way. As for my parents and good friend, not so much. After my surgery my mother took off a week from work to come and stay with me while my husband was at work, well out of the 5 days she came to my house twice and stayed for maybe 3 hours each day. One day she called and said her dog was sick and she had to take him to the vet, but come to find out she had a 3 hour lunch with her best friend. My parents have done nothing but tease me, after surgery when I couldn't shave my underarm for a month, my mother called me a hairy monkey and now they are calling me "Dolly", after Dolly Parton. I hate to tell them I am no where near "Dolly Parton", I'm just trying to get to somewhat normal and this TE is not much fun! Oh and as for my good friend who lives right across the street, I haven't spoken or seen her in over a month. Maybe I scare her?

  • fredntan
    fredntan Member Posts: 1,821
    edited December 2012

    Yep she is probably afraid she will get cancer. I finally just let my good friend go. Sent her a fb message month ago asking her if she was mad at me. No reply. Whatever. I sometimes wish these kinds of people would get C.



    Softness in your sisters defense I dont think she is able to handle your dx right now. What with having pancreatic C and all. Try not tobe mad at her.

  • softness1
    softness1 Member Posts: 217
    edited December 2012

    Fredntan, not sure if I can let it go. I held her hands thru it all. Called doctors, cooked, cleaned. Helped her get around. I spent money I didn't have to get to her & uses vacay days I now need. I get 12 100% paid weeks std at work but the first week before it kicks in u have to use ur own time. I'm going to be shorted because I only had 3 days left after using 10 on her.



    It's not even a regret but I feel used. I would be on the phone with her for hours when she was hoing thru the worse. Left my teen son with my bf ( who my son doesnt listsn to) he basically ran free for 2 weeks thank God he doesnt do much but football. lol.



    I figured she understand cancer, my fears, my anger etc. It really hurts me because we were particularly close so I feel rejected. I feel to many times I put other people's feelings ahead of mine or gave excuses. But as I lay here 6 days after having both breasts amputated in pain & scheduling for chemo it's hard for me too once again be thoughtful of HER feelings. Sorry to sound harsh

  • fredntan
    fredntan Member Posts: 1,821
    edited December 2012

    Vent away.



    Shit I could have used you on my team last year

  • Rowan47
    Rowan47 Member Posts: 151
    edited December 2012

    Hi Sotfness1, unfortunately, I think that some people just aren't strong enough to deal with it. I had an issue with a close friend, who more or less dumped me when I was diagnosed. I was always the one who texted, and thought she was worth the effort. Now that I am "well" again, she has re-entered my life. She is the kind of friend ("Fair weather friend" I suppose) who can only be friendly when things are going well for me. However, she ALWAYS calls me when she has issues with her partner, and expects me to be full of good advice and support (which I try to give). She did text me when she needed to use my washing machine/dryer for a couple of weeks, and then....nothing! I texted her again last week and mentioned that our family dog (who we had had for 14 years, and she knew well) had died. Didi she text back?? NO. Seriously?? I really can't be bothered anymore. I have many other good friends who are "there" for me. I know that this doesn't compare to your sister's behaviour, or the hurt that you feel, but you get the drift. Big big hug to you xx

  • Nicole4
    Nicole4 Member Posts: 104
    edited February 2015

    thanks for starting this thread, it made me realize that I am not alone.  Not only do I have few friends, but my entire family has abandoned me.  My father called me to tell me he was going to sue me on day 8 of radiation, my mother dissappeared from that point, my sister only cares about herself and her daughter has even less concern. 

    I figure it is better to know about these people in your life, then to proceed thinking that they care.  I am fine on my own with my daughter, but the odd day I wake up and think it must be me. 

    I also think that people can't handle it, but for my own mother?  as a mother myself, I know for certainty that I would never turn my back on my daughter never mind under these circumstances.

    AT the time of diagnosis, my bff said that she would be there for me and make me food, blah blah blah, never anything, she was and always has been only concerned with trivial things in life. I don't see her anymore.

    My neighbours are busy fighting over new built homes in the area, going to meetings etc., asking me to sign petitions, only calling when they need something from me, as I was always the go to girl for problem solving.  I don't hear from anyone.  I think they should get together and make some soup for the handful of people that have cancer within the neighbourhood.

    My thought the other day was I guess this is what happens when you get old and are on your death bed, you get sad because you live an entire lifetime and there you lie alone.  It makes no difference how old you are, people are just busy with their own life and problems.  One person's problem maybe another's dream.

    Now that I know how to help out, who do I help.  I can forgive in my heart, but I can't forget.

  • Rennasus
    Rennasus Member Posts: 1,267
    edited January 2013

    softness1: You sister may be phisically and emtionally unable to help you the way you helped her. She may feel guilty, and is acting out by ignoring you and distancing herself from you. And this all may be going on subconsciously for her. I totally understand how rejected and unloved her behavior makes you feel. If she is not giving you what you need right now, put your relationship with her on the back burner and focus on the folks who ARE giving you what you need. Take care of yourself by allowing the people who are stepping up to help you... even if you never in a million years would have thought they'd be the people to help you. 

    What sucks about getting a life-threatening illness is that just when you need the people who care about you the most, a few of them disappear. And you would never imagine who they are until it happens to you. It's a cruel reality that is very, very hard to deal with when you are feeling at your weakest. As Rowan47 above says, it's a "fair-weather friend" (or fair-weather sister) situation. I'm sorry you're going through this. That's why these boards are lifelines! {{{hugs}}}

  • softness1
    softness1 Member Posts: 217
    edited January 2013

    Rennasus,



    Thanks so much. I have decided not to give it that much of my energy. There has been many others who have filled my heart with all their help, kind words encouragement and thoughtfulness.



    My brother SIL & niece brought Xmas to me. They brought food & gifts & made it cheery. The live in Virginia & I'm in NY so just the fact of them loading their minivan and driving up here on Xmas eve still makes me emotional. My sons were so happy. I was less than 2 weeks out of my bilateral, immediate implant surgery so I couldn't have done much... They so rock!!!

  • Blessings2011
    Blessings2011 Member Posts: 4,276
    edited January 2013

    Gosh - it's been more than a year since my dx and BMX.....

    So the long term friend who dumped me right after my BC dx has never surfaced, and I have not gone looking for her. I saw her name on my Christmas card list, and I told DH, just delete it.

    In my heart, I know this is not a friendship worth saving. It's always been about HER needs, not mine. I've always known she's angry and bitter about just about everything under the sun, and I've taken more abuse from her than I care to remember. It was just time to stop the illusion of being BFFs, and her disappearing act made it possible. In the grand scheme of the universe, I lucked out!

    I don't need to think about "forgiveness" or anything so noble and charitable. It sucks to be her, and I'm sorry for that, but what goes around comes around. Now she is free to find new friends to alienate.

    I did have an "AHA" moment at a family Thanksgiving last month....in September 2012 it had been a year since my dx, and in December 2012, a year since my BMX.

    We'd gone over to my nephew's house for dessert, and the whole extended family was there, telling me how great I looked, since they hadn't seen me in over a year.

    I had a brief "What's wrong with this picture?" moment...

    Then I realized that everyone there lived in town, and not ONE person had come to the hospital to sit with DH during my surgery (my sister just didn't feel up to it, and my brother thought he might be coming down with a cold); nor did anyone call, come over, make a meal, send a card, or otherwise reach out in any way.

    If I had made a specific request, I know they would have come through, but these are not what you'd call real touchy-feely people. They are who they are. There if you need them, but you have to make the request first.

    So in that regard, I forgive them. I didn't ask, and they didn't read my mind. They did keep us in their prayers, which turned out to be the important part!

  • fredntan
    fredntan Member Posts: 1,821
    edited January 2013

    they better not coming crying to me when they get BC or whatever.

  • dessert1st
    dessert1st Member Posts: 190
    edited January 2013

    Its unfortunately comforting to see these posts. Amazing how a good friend you thought was a bff run when its no longer about them. Like you said blessings20, time to stop the illusion!



    Fredntan, you in nothern Va?

  • blackcat2012
    blackcat2012 Member Posts: 242
    edited January 2013

    I had told my bff the week of my bc diagnosis to get lost as she was definetely making it about her and how she could financially benefit from my misfortune.  She called the police on me to have them do a welfare check, which they did on her since I am fine.  She called me the day before my surgery telling me she needed to be there to make sure my wishes were carried out. (my surgeon and family made sure my wishes were carried out). She then sent me a text on my surgery day which I responded to early the next morning tolet her know it went well and I was being discharged later that day.  My daughter came to get me and while she was retrieving her car the nurse came into my room and asked me how many daughters I had and I told her I just had the one and she said that is what she thought and she had a matter that she needed to handle on the phone.  Needless to say, my bff contacted me by text yesterday and I have not responded as right now I do not feel like dealing with her drama.

  • Seashell49
    Seashell49 Member Posts: 128
    edited January 2013

    I am so thankful to have found this topic, I am going through this right now - 

    fedntan - I give you so much credit for asking your friend straight up if she no longer wanted to be friends?  I have 2 "bff"s" that disappeared on my 2nd bc journey and both sent me a Happy New Year email... like... are you all better? let's do lunch!  I don't know where to go with them...from here....  

  • fredntan
    fredntan Member Posts: 1,821
    edited January 2013

    Still havnt gotten a response from her. I sent her A fb message back in nov? We have been friends for years. Our girls went to preschool together, they have one more year of high school and are best buddies. I wasnt asking her to be my bf. It just blows me away how insensitive some people are.

  • Blessings2011
    Blessings2011 Member Posts: 4,276
    edited January 2013

    I am sitting here eating a slice of humble pie.

    The friend who dropped me last year called a few days ago, and we caught up.

    I wasn't angry or mean; I just listened. Turns out she was going through her own trauma - two deaths - her boyfriend and her mom - in a very short amount of time.

    She said she had no excuse for not calling me. She said she knew she'd been a bad friend. She said she just didn't know where her head had been.

    Someone has this quote on their siggie line here on BCO and I need to put it somewhere where I can read it every day:

    Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.

    Lesson learned.

  • proudtospin
    proudtospin Member Posts: 5,972
    edited January 2013

    My sister dropped off the face of the earth, last contact was a phone call when I was looking for info on family history if any of BC.

    since then nothing, I e mailed frequently, left phone mess, asked my BIL why she was not talking to me.

    no response until just before Christmas when out of the blue, a card with a new e mail and address.

    seems she has been going through bad stuff, separated from hub, moved and whatever

    it has been almost 5 years since the crap started for me, well life goes on and I am enough of a sap to be really happy to hear from her

  • truebff
    truebff Member Posts: 642
    edited January 2013

    I've recently had my Dad act awful to me and it's actually made me sick. Less than a year post treatments -while I'm still getting my energy back up and have no "energy cushion" if I overdo it- he offered me some personal stuff and furniture from a house up north. But in addition, he also wanted me to go up north and close down and sell and donate stuff and clean out his and Mom's summer home that they sold. They live in the south now.

    So right after Thanksgiving I went up there for three weeks, came home and then went up again right after Christmas and finished. It was six weeks of hard work. I took a few pieces for myself, but the bulk of their furniture could not be sold in winter (it is a summer community) in the time frame. I did the best to defray costs. I even priced my expenses over commercial outfits that would have done the same for a price. I cleaned out all the personal stufff too. In the end I came out close, but lower than a commercial price for the job.

    This was a LOT to do whiile still recovering my energy and spirit.

    In response, my father hates me. He'd left behind all ten of the major gifts I'd given both to my mother as well as to both of them. He expected me to do the job, pay his expenses myself (I am still paying for cancer expenses and am actually desperately worried about that.) and make him a profit. And all my labor was free.The message: You are too poor to even serve your parents and too poor to even go get free things. A shaming, blaming message like it's my fault that this economy has been tough and then I had cancer costs, something my husband and I are still desperately trying to recoop from.

    And then he dissed me entirely for Christmas. Nado,noda, zip. Wow, did I feel set up to fail no matter what in his eyes. And cancer, in his eyes, was just a bad cold: no card, no flowers, no financial help.

    Kindness for others is what held me up through this past cancer ordeal.

    His criticalness just crushed me. I have collapsed in exhaustion. What at first seemed like a good thing to do for my folks turned back to bite me. He's even rewritten history to suit his views. I've come home with nightmares over it and feeling very existential. Not what I needed.

    I want to ask: how can someone be so mean and blaming and no thanks at all or even kindness, cancer or not?

    But what I really want to ask: How do I recover myself?

  • Blessings2011
    Blessings2011 Member Posts: 4,276
    edited January 2013

    Oh, truebff, my heart breaks for you. Not that your story is so unusual - tragically, there are many, many toxic parents out there - but for you to have to go through this a such a vulnerable time is just sad.

    Here's the thing: just because we are related to someone biologically, that doesn't mean we have to love them or even communicate with them. Sometimes to do so harms us even more.

    We all want to be loved, especially by our parents. But some parents are just not capable of this. And we make ourselves crazy by trying our hardest to be good, do good, be worthy, make them happy, whatever it takes for them to even acknowledge us.

    Here is what I know to be true: trying to make sense of a dysfunctional situation or a dysfunctional person will only make you feel like YOU are the crazy one.

    Your dad seems to have issues that began long before you had cancer. There is not a darn thing you can do to change him. You can try to communicate your feelings to him, but be prepared for more of the same cruel treatment.

    You ask "How do I recover myself?"

    You start by realizing that your dad - and perhaps your parents - are very flawed human beings. The love and support and approval you seek may be way beyond their capability.

    You realize that YOU are wonderful and perfect and totally deserving of being loved in a strong, healthy way, by people who know how to show it.

    You forgive yourself for whatever shortcomings you think you might have that may have contributed to the mess with your dad. They didn't. 

    You focus on the positives in your life.... and they can be small or large.

    You count your blessings.

    AND - the most important part - is you find a guide - a counselor or therapist who can listen to you nonjudgmentally, help you understand the dynamics of being held hostage in a dysfunctional family, and teach you some new ways of looking at the world - and yourself - so that you can move on with your life in healthy and positive ways.

    BC sucks. But it doesn't mean our lives have to suck. Everyone talks about the "new normal" but no one really explains how to do it.

    We all must find our way, and we start by surrounding ourselves with people who love us just the way we are. That gives us the confidence we need to make any changes we need to make.

    Life can be challenging enough without dealing with someone else's psychodrama.  As of September 15, 2011 (the day of my BC dx) I no longer suffer fools needlessly.

    I have no idea how long I have left on this earth - none of us do - but  just in case I have the second half of my life to enjoy (I'm 62) then I want it to be filled with people and experiences that contribute to my happiness and my personal growth and my learning about the world.

    I want to leave the dysfunctional crap behind and start anew with a fresh spirit, a passionate and hopeful outlook, and the energy to believe I can make a difference in the lives of others. At least that's my plan for now!!!! Wink

    Sending you massive hugs, truebff!!!!

  • truebff
    truebff Member Posts: 642
    edited January 2013

    Oh Blessings, Thank you so very, very much for your kind words. And for your wisdom and consul.

    I learned long, long ago that my Dad (a retired MD himself) was in a lose-win relationship with me and toxic for me.

    But I made this mistake of thinking I could do this especially daughter-type service for him and my Mom. And, to the best of my ability and knowledge, I did. But what I also did was to put myself back in a very old pattern of being vulnerable to his massive disapproval and criticism. And it is not something I can defend or argue because not even the opinions of industry pros (people who do this for a living or for real estate sales or estate sales, etc.) could persuade him.

    I also made the mistake of thinking, because I was at 80% of my old energy levels, that I could "muscle through" and found out -hard- that I can't do that anymore. Enough is enough. When I reach my limit, going further sets me way back. I've since seen one of my doctors who says that might just be the way it remains too and armed with that information, I will know better than to take on monumental tasks in the future.

    The existential angst I feel from completing this thankless task in the face of my Dad's blatant and abusive treatment of me, telling me that I was the one who was wronging him, did leave me very confused. These nightmares have been hideous. My heart started fluttering out of control towards the end. I just can't handle the stress of it, emotionally or physically.

    I am sad because -of course- I wished I could have a good ending. I may never get to see my parents again and that is something hard to realize too.

    Again, thank you for your kindness. There is no way I could have gotten through this time without the kindness of others. It is a deeply felt gift. Thank  you for yours.

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