I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited December 2012

    From a commenter on the CNN site:

    When the American founding fathers enshrined the right to bear arms, firearms took 30 seconds to one minute to reload a single shot. Today, semi-automatic pistols fire as fast as you can pull the trigger. Aren't laws meant to be updated to reflect modern realities? There will always be sick people, but sick people getting their hands on glocks and sig sauers shouldn't be allowed to happen. If this shooter had gotten a fully automatic weapon, it could have been so much worse.

    My thoughts exactly, except that the 2nd amendment referred to a "well-armed militia".  

    That makes 3 "top of the headlines" shootings this week alone.  So very, very sad.

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited December 2012

    My heart is aching.  I am remembering the raw emotions and despair that these families will be going through and it makes me nauseous.  Cry

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited December 2012

    From Reuters:

    "Sandy Hook Elementary School teaches children from kindergarten through fourth grade - roughly ages 5 to 10."

    Ooooh, I feel so freeeee!!! I can have my guns!!!! Ooooh, we're the freeeest country on earth!!! (Sarcasm isn't oozing - it's a river).

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited December 2012

    18 innocent 5 to 10 year olds, gunned down in cold blood. If this doesn't get something changed in our gun laws, nothing will.

  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited December 2012

    Michigan legislators voted this week to allow guns in schools.  I am so ashamed.  And sickened.

    I see all of us with breast cancer, the struggles we go through to try to beat this disease . . . and then I see gun laws that put automatic weapons in the hands of psychopaths who use them to wipe out precious lives in a matter of seconds.

    When are we finally going to say, "enough"????

    Linda

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited December 2012

    I DO NOT GET IT!

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited December 2012

    Linda, unbelievable! WTF???

    Blue, you don't get it because it is totally incomprehensible!

  • alexandria58
    alexandria58 Member Posts: 1,588
    edited December 2012

    This is horrible, just horrible.

    We can't even limit the number of rounds in ammo anymore, let alone assault weapons, let along require everyone who buys a gun to at least have a background check.

    I'm angry with the Dems - for dropping the ball on gun control, for not having the balls to stand up to the NRA, and the gun fanatics.  This especially goes for Obama.

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited December 2012

    Blue - most of us don't get it either, but there are people who think taking away assault rifles / Glocks  is some slippery slope for losing their handguns, rifles and shotguns....and those few people have such supreme power because of how we've gerrymandered our Congressional Districts. 

    I heard a Principle, then 10 dead, now 27?  Children.  OMG 

    Edited to add..to top it off, the pro-gun lobby thinks concealed weapon permits, in all locations, is the answer.  More guns.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited December 2012

    More guns?  The wild wild west!!!  Friggin Nuts.

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited December 2012

    Hi Friends,

    I was just now able to get home and read about the shooting.  Those poor beautiful children and their families.  What a senseless tragedy.  The account I read said one of the guns the shooter used was a .22 rifle.  That's not an assault weapon.  I don't know what other kind of gun he used.

    I was in Roanoke today visiting my sister and Brenda's husband called me on the way home about 1:15 p.m.  She was in surgery about four hours ... but the great news is ... the femur did not shatter when they put the rod in.  He said she would be in recovery for about two hours then taken to her room.

    I'll be going down there about noon tomorrow to check on her.  I'll tell her you all send your love.

    Bren

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited December 2012

    Good thoughts for you Bren & Brenda.  xxox

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited December 2012

    Maybe this tragedy will hopefully get something done about your gun laws. It was a massacre here in Tasmania which forced the gun laws to change, not that we ever had the loose laws you have. I'm still getting over the fact my brother in WA state has several guns.

    This is such sad sad news - poor babies.

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited December 2012

    Bren, it wasn't a .22 - it was a .223 caliber rifle. It is the equivalent of an AR-15. It is a type of semi-automatic assault weapon. He also had a Glock 9mm and a Sig that could carry extended clips.



  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited December 2012

    Heartsick.....sick heart.

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited December 2012

    Susie, something MUST change in our gun laws. Nobody is trying to take rifles away from hunters, we just don't want every Tom, Dick and Harry to have access to automatic assault weapons. INSANE! If the death of eighteen 5 year olds (I think most if not all the children killed were in one Kindergarten class his mother taught), doesn't change things, nothing ever will.

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited December 2012

    I think you have to undergo very stringent tests to be allowed to own a gun here for sport only. We certainly were never allowed to own handguns in the home to "protect" ourselves. We still have a black market and thieves seem to be able to access guns but we don't walk down the street in fear. I for one would be even more scared of coming to the US now.

    What a terrible waste of beautiful young lives.

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited December 2012

    So right....who is more innocent than children?  If this doesn't do it, nothing will, though I think it is mostly a matter of our current Congressional composition

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited December 2012

    Our president is speaking now, tears coming down his face, as he discusses the horrific loss of innocents. Cry

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited December 2012

    Grace, compassion, strength -- our President.

    I hope he means it that we must do something, because we must.  The carnage is unbearable.  Suzie, Oz is a perfect example of how you can restrict gun ownership and still have a vibrant country (including hunting).  Australia has the most dangerous wildlife in the world, and you all don't walk down the streets brandishing weapons.

    Wayne LaPierre has blood on his hands.

    L

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited December 2012

    I don't even care what weapon he used - ANY gun should require a VERY hard-to-get permit.

    Unfortunately, too many of these people who do these mass killings have serious mental illnesses that are either untreated or undertreated. They may have some serious personality problems as well and environmental triggers - but that could all be salvageable --if our society didn't, on top of that, allow them to carry something with bullets in it.

    You wouldn't allow someone carrying a deadly airborne virus to fly on a plane; there should be laws that make it almost impossible for anyone with a serious mental illness to carry a gun.

    And then, to prevent psychopaths from killing, there should be laws to prevent most any human being from carrying a gun who doesn't have a valid reason. Hunters could own guns but be required to store them in a special place.

    Neither bad people, nor ill people --nor people who are BOTH-- would be as likely to carry guns if there were stricter laws.

    Concealed weapons - that's anarchy, pure and simple. That just makes me tremble. You may as well wear a t-shirt saying "who am I planning to kill today."

    But hey, blacks can't vote in many places thanks to laws and dishonesty by election officials. You can shoot someone more easily than you can express your rights in this country. And here we thought it was peace time.

    I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND our topsy turvy values.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited December 2012

    The gun laws up here are pretty stringent too.  Even rifles for hunting have to be kept in locked containers. 

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited December 2012

    The NRA lobbies feverishly in state legislatures to prevent laws being passed that restrict the right of the mentally ill to own guns.  They do it all the time -- they want NO restrictions on ANY type of guns whatsoever.  Accessories to murder.

    L

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited December 2012
  • alexandria58
    alexandria58 Member Posts: 1,588
    edited December 2012

    I watched Obama speaking.  It was deeply touching.

    Time to end the madness!!

  • kayfh
    kayfh Member Posts: 790
    edited December 2012

    Oh my god. I was just out Christmas Shopping. Thinking, too bad the rotating teacher's strike in Ontario has to affect our little kids. Then the news announcers broke into the CBC programme I was listening to in my car. I came home. It doesn't seem all that important now. WHAT are those parents, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, grandparents supposed to do? What happened to that young man who became so deranged that he saw that elementary school population as shooting range? Why are mentally ill people permitted access to fire arms? Why do the American people allow this? We have had horrible shootings in Canada, I know, but we have SOME controls. Not enough in my opinion. But some. How many of these tragedies have to play out before reasonable people (I believe that the majority of Americans are reasonable people) who understand the implications of the Right to Bear Arms rise up as one and ACT? This cannot continue to happen.



  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited December 2012

    Moved beyond words by Obama's remarks.

    How can a nation with the world's mightiest military yet be so dangerous for the average citizen?

    Topsy-turvy values.

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited December 2012

    I just heard on Thom Hartmann that Japan has banned guns outright and they have exactly 2 shootings a year.

    I hope some of the parents of these children form there own group, similar to those created after 9/11, demanding answers, though in this case, change. Real change in our gun laws.

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited December 2012

    HL - we don't have lions and tigers :) I do think any licensed guns have to be kept under strict conditions like in Canada and the background check to get a license would include mental health checks. They held an amnesty when they first introduced the laws and people could surrender any firearms, but even before that it was no way like it is over there. As we say here - Önly in the "US of A"

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited December 2012

    Surely anyone could not back your current gun laws after this tragedy - they're not human if they do.

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