I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2012

    Yeah, BORING!!!  What a great result, congrats chickadee.....happy cruise to be too.

    FOG.  Fog so thick I can see just the barest outline of the trees outside - looking out the windows looks like looking into a piece of "cotton wool" ( ball of cotton to non Brits) - slightly, used, grayish, etheral, and deliciously NAP inviting.  Looking north it honestly feels like being in the middle of a cloud. You couldn't possibly drive in this without fog lights, which I don't have. So, another day of not going to the PO to collect mail.   Toooooo many naps makes sleeping less probable in normal sleep hours, so, staying awake, wondering why it's in the 50's outside?

    Hope all CA women are well - speaking of yucky weather! 

  • alexandria58
    alexandria58 Member Posts: 1,588
    edited December 2012

    I really don't like the temperature, not only because it's not Christmas time without cold, but it worries me for my children and grandchildren, for the earth and everyone who lives on it. 

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited December 2012

    My doctor's office still has no problem taking Medicare and neither does the hospital. I just got scheduled for a colonoscopy.

    It must be a mistake because as we all know, doctors and hospitals are all refusing Medicare.

  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited December 2012

    Notself, I just hope you manage to get the colonoscopy done before they realize their mistake.

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited December 2012

    Fog! Sunny, you have given me a wonderful prelude. Tonight I will share some landscape artists...

    Editing rant to its most basic tenets: There's some serious stupid out there. Tongue Out

    And on a much brighter note, Chickadee -hooray!

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited December 2012

    Chickadee - yeah for another cruise!

  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited December 2012

    I think I will entitle my next bucket list cruise......The Very Boring Vacation! Earned after many months of being boring.

  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited December 2012

    Here's to boring!

    Linda

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited December 2012

    Landscape painting has always existed in art. But the time when it really explodes as a definitive movement is probably the late 1700s and 1800s - during the Romantic Era, where writers like Goethe and Byron write about love and loss and the complexity of emotions that come with those feelings. Alongside Romanticism came the Enlightenment, the great era of new political and philosophical ideas that underpinned the French Revolution, gave way to the American one and more than ever established man as the driver of his destiny. These movements were all preludes to the Industrial Revolution, of course.

    Here are some of my favorites. In England, there is Thomas Gainsborough, a portraitist and also a landscaper:

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited December 2012

    Those bucolic bits of paradise are not accidental. Romantics yearned for an idealized past when industry and civilization had not corrupted man - that is how they saw it. It is Rousseau, at this time, who posits that man is born good but society corrupts him.

    Here is Gainsborough's compatriot, the great John Constable:

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited December 2012

    The Frenchman Jean Antoine Watteau. Below, his Lesson of Love

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited December 2012

    Here is Turner again - one of my very favorites. He is a few decades after the Romantic period. This is Rain, Steam and Speed (I think)

    Also from Turner,

    An earlier work of Turner's, Ivy Bridge, does follow the Romantic bucolic style described above:

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited December 2012

    Now to the United States. It was HL: who first brought up the Hudson River School. This is a movement that is in some ways paralell to the European Romantics in its glorificaion  of nature and man at his most basic, but it has the unique American surprise of capturing a landscape that had not been seen by the vast majority of people. There was still much open land in the US. There was not the same feeling of nature disappearing. There was, instead, a yearning for adventure. Here is Winslow Homer's rendition of the Hudson River:

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited December 2012

    But Sunny had me thinking of fog, so I here digress to show y'all some, IMHO, memorable and moving depictions of fog. Interestingly, Monet has some of the best depictions of London fog:

    Here is his Waterloo Bridge:

    Here is the superb American Thomas Eakins:

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited December 2012

    Now that we are getting to the late 19th century, and the French are so well known, how about some American painters. Let's see some Mary Cassatt, perhaps the most prominent of American Impressionists:

    To me, she goes beyond just impressionism and often reminds me of Henri de Toulouse-Lautrec, that famous French bon vivant who preferred to spend his time with prostitutes and cafe society rather than his stodgy aristocratic family:

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited December 2012

    I can never look at that painting by Toulouse Lautrec without thinking of this one by the very different but equally troubled Van Gogh. This is his atelier:

    Probably my favorite Van Gogh there. If I see more of his sunflowers I shall scream. They have been so over-promoted.

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited December 2012

    Speaking of cafe society - the type that had invaded Paris in the late 19th and early 20th century, Renoir, not one of my personal favorites, nevertheless has a memorable painting that really captures that era :

    Here is Le Moulin de la Galette:

    The reason why I probably tie the two has to be because of this Toulouse-Lautrec masterpiece, At The Moulin Rouge:

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited December 2012

    Man, every time one thinks of art one leaves so much out....and what about architecture. That is another fascinating subject....

    A final note. Notice how off the proportions are in Van Gogh and Toulouse Lautrec. It is their unique brand of impressionism and expressionism. Their view of this topsy turvy but highly energized world. In Van Gogh's case, no doubt fueled by his mental illness and in Toulouse Lautrec's, by his life. Notice, too, the richness of the color. There is not that intent to so faithfully reproduce forms as you see in the landscapes. Nor is Leonardo da Vinci's perspective even paid lip service to. The emotion with these two artists is very individual. In the past, painters expressed a school or a way of thought, often, in France, regulated by the Academie. But those ideas had gone as out of favor as petticoats and ths was a new reality.

    Speaking of casting off convention, final one.....a Dadaist work - Dadaism, a movement roughly coinciding with WWI --and not a well known one-- fairly posits that capitalism and bourgeois values led to war. It is an anti-war movement:

    Max Ernst:

    Marcel Duchamp:

    Below, German Expressionism (roughly contemporary to Dadaism). One of my favorite movements in both painting and literature.This is by Ludwig Meiner, also post WWI, also a reaction to the horrors of that war (and the chaos whiich followed in Germany):

  • Belinda44
    Belinda44 Member Posts: 718
    edited March 2013

    Wow, very cool to come home and see all this gorgeous art work. 

    You mentioned architecture. I hope to go to Barcelona someday to see Gaudi's work.  Just breathtaking:

  • Belinda44
    Belinda44 Member Posts: 718
    edited December 2012

    Chickadee, congrats on the boring bloodwork!

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited December 2012

    Ohhhh - Belinda, Gaudi is one of my favorites.

    PS: I am taking myself back to art 101 too. Also remember buying a hugely expensive book - lol!

  • Belinda44
    Belinda44 Member Posts: 718
    edited December 2012

    I know we're not supposed to talk about politics (hope this doesn't get deleted), but just google Bob Dole.  Saw the news a bit ago and felt so bad for him today.  Disgraceful what happened on the senate floor.  And that's all I'll say about that!

  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited December 2012

    Wow Belinda, so beautiful. The mosaics I should add.

  • YramAL
    YramAL Member Posts: 1,651
    edited December 2012

    I agree Belinda. It was disgraceful. 

    Edited to add-isn't it nice, though, that we still have lots to talk about, even without politics? 

    Mary

  • Belinda44
    Belinda44 Member Posts: 718
    edited March 2013

    Yes, so much to discuss!

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited December 2012

    Gaudi on the inside:

  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited December 2012

    Chickadee, Congratulations!  Boring is beautiful.

    Belinda, yes I am looking forward to the movie.  I loved the play and sometimes I don't like the transition between play and movie but I think I'll like this one.

    Athena, I only took a few college classes and Art 101 wasn't among them.  I am enjoying your class.  Edited to add: Thank you!

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited December 2012

    Art 101?  This is more like Art 442.  My appreciation for your art appreciation skills are off the chart.  I would like to learn more about the appreciation part...what are you seeing that I'm not - I assume that is what you learn in those sorts of classes.

    Gaudi on the inside? That's what is going on inside of this church?  I was in Barcelona and probably saw this place, but the only memory I have of that day was bumping into someone (from the other side of the globe) on a lonely side street that I had just mentioned to my partner, hours earlier.  My appreciation for the mathmatics of coincidences is higher than art and architecture, it seems.

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited December 2012

    OMG RM...the offer.

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited December 2012

    Kam -lol! I am an egghead in general, but love of art was something that was bred into me growing up. I was dragged around the museums of Europe from a young age. It is also a love of mine and I never forget what I hear, see or read about it. Same with architecture - and history. I did not major in either. I majored in English and Political Science. Funnily enough, I have this annoying habit of forgetting the plot of books I read. Head in the clouds. I will remember, say, a metaphor on page XVIII (prologue!) but not the bloody ending. You do NOT want to be me - you want to stay NORMAL! I have this annoying habit of thinking differently from others on really crucial things.

    Re: other areas, I appreciate physics and maths now more than I used to as a child. Recently finished a book on the history of zero, and have read lots of Stephen Hawking.

    Gaudi - we need a primer on architecture. There is so much I want to see in that regard.

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