I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange
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Blue, she's thinking " I was meant for greater things than this!"
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LOL - hadn't noticed that Blue.
Lindasa - I was amazed too when I first saw the painting. It was rather funny to see people crowding around it too.
More art to come....speaking of "talking snakes" (as in Faux News, soothsayers, Karl Rove,etc....) here is a Rennaisance Era masterpiece that we modern onlookers could think of when we wonder how some people treat facts. They do it with alchemy...(insert wicked witch laugh here). Here is Hieronymus Bosch depicting the earstwhile science of alchemy in Garden of Earthly Delights:

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Alexandria, my DH-to-be lived in Cincinnati for a number of years before he moved to Brooklyn in the 1980s. As for Ohio's role in the election . . . I was thrilled, too! And I loved the fact that the bar where we watched the returns on election night played the Pretenders' "My City Was Gone" as soon as Ohio was called: "Way to go/Ohio." (The tone of the song isn't exactly celebratory, of course, but we didn't care. Especially when the bar owner announced that the next round of drinks was on the house!)
Chrissie Hynde will always epitomize coolness for me . . .
Linda
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Yorkie, I think she was upset because she didn't get her "gifts".
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That Bosch painting was pretty popular, as I recall, in the 60ies.
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I kinda like this work of art! POOOOIFECT!

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...........and this one!

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Wow - there's a lot in that painting...per Huff Post....The "liberal news reporter," along with the professor clutching Darwin's Origin Of Species and the judge weeping over Roe vs. Wade are huddled in the lower right hand corner of the painting, next to Satan. (The pregnant woman is also in Satan's corner.)
Discussing politics via art - clever.
As far as real art (I'm sure One Nation has artistic qualities), an art appreciater, I am not. Been to the Vatican, Louvre, Picasso museum and all I can say is that I'm more Picasso than ML. I once bought a piece of art, (well, she signed it and it was her print cause the gliclee and original version was out of my reach) from a Hawaiian artist and got really excited to see it hung in George Clooney's livingroom in the movie The Descendants (30 years later).

I respond this woman's art...Alexandra Nechita, and that was when she was age 12. I love color over subtleness, I guess.
The bible does address the rich as takers, though. Who takes seems to be the pivot point.
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Where is Satan? I couldn't find him. I was also looking for Linda Blair. Guess she was missed!
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How about a little paganism.... (plus I like Maxfield Parrish)


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I'm trying to figure out who the guy in the suit barking into his cell phone is supposed to be. He looks a little like Dick Cheney, actually. Or maybe he represents all those loud, annoying cell phone talkers out there.
In either case, placement in Satan's corner is entirely appropriate. The "artist" and I don't agree on much, but we're in accord on that!
Linda
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Never mind, I found him tucked way back there. I'm as blind as a bat!
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The guy on the cell phone is a politician.
If you put your mouse over each figure it tells you who they are. Hope it works here.
http://420.thrashbarg.net/one-nation-under-god-usa-mcnaughton-fine-art-shortpacked-parody.html
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LOL Blue - now this is Art Appreciation!
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Enjoying you all this a.m. Athena....I don't think anythng of what you said. My son is/was an Atheist. I am Gnostic in my beliefs which only meaans that I believe in whatever road gets you where you want to be. In any case, I told my son.....when he told me that he was embracing Atheism....I can't go quite that far with you but if that is your choice I will support your decision and I hope you will strive to be the best you can be. I think he ended up ( it was some time ago ) not totally satisfied, but I have encouraged both of my children to find what they feel most suits them as they are under no obligation to any one religion or creed except the one that most easily touches their inner being and spirit. People know what is right for them and I was never into forcing anything square into a round hole.
My children are adults and they are going to go in whatever way they wish anyway, but they have never been obligated by me to be do or have anything that doesn't correlate to what they truly feel deeply inside.
I do feel a lot may have been changed thru the years......goodness the Bible has been re-written I think 26 times so I think often one is left with having to view many things in the light of what is REAL for you -- what can be your TRUTH. Many may see that as a bad attitude on my part....that I don't totally trust that by many, well-read book. It is not the book --- it is those who re-wrote it.
Another reason why I'm inclined to be Gnostic and an really ok with whatever religion touches your heart and soul or none if that is the case. At long as you have a loving spirit who wishes to build on good things, help your fellow citizens of the world, be kind to the animals and the earth and do good when you can....I can be totally fine with that.
Jackie
who is loving the art lessons even if I'm thick as a brick about it all.
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Blue, after clicking on your link, I'm *REALLY* LMBO!! (Great minds think alike . . . I love that the annotator picked up on the way Lincoln is depicted -- as though he just finished a song and dance number.)
Thanks for the chuckles.
Linda
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I think the pregnant woman might be unwed? And Abraham Lincoln looks like he's singing something. I liked him in Vampire Slayer!
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Blue, that did work....the one guy in business suit was Ronald Reagan...sigh !!! And then there was a Gay marine who was kicked out......hmmm.
Kam...your right. politics as art.
Jackie
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LOL Linda, we were posting at the same time!
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OMG, hilarious!!
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More Ohio connection - born and raised in Dayton, here. Escaped to DC metro for graduate school after undergrad and never looked back. Funny thing about Buckeyes -- they turn up in the darndest places! When I was posted to Kingston, Jamaica, 10 officers out of 52 officer positions were from Ohio and Indiana. Three of us were from Dayton alone, and one was a school resource police officer at my former elementary school before joining the Foreign Service. In addition, the head of the Marine Security Guard Detachment (MSG) was born in Dayton a day before I was and we figured out we were in the newborn nursery at the same hospital at the same time! He'd met another girl who was born in Dayton at the same time we were who was serving in Saudi Arabia. The singular thing about being from Ohio seems to be that you leave! But I was thrilled that Ohio put the President over the top, just like they did before. And like they did with Bill Clinton -- I remember having an election party in 2000 and my friend (who was also from Ohio) held hands and jumped up and down when Ohio put Clinton over the top. Ohio will eventually do the right thing!
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Great laughs on this thread. Good for the health and spirit!
Off to do something with my day. One last pic......

Boy do I miss that little guy!
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Aw......I miss hiim too and I have only known him in pictures....hugs to Virg on the Rainbow Bridge. Basically all animals are special to me. A beautiful creation from the Universe.
Jackie
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Not on this site often enuf to know what the original picture was, but using my imagination, I can assume it was something about the USA, "Founding Fathers" and well, religion. SO, I thought those you don't know about Thomas Jefferson might appreciate learning about his Faithhttp://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/How-Thomas-Jefferson-Created-His-Own-Bible.html
Loved HL's DH response - "which God?" - really perfect, isn't it. Also often think of the words on the Statue of Liberty when I hear people trying to impose their views about the USA - which never seem to jive with those glorious words....beautiful words, and a wonderful gateway to the USA.
A shout out to Sandy - if there were a like button, I'd click it. Seems the thread started as a "contrast" to the political opinions of most of the women who post on this thread has become a lightening rod. Dosen't effect this house - we've survived attacks from this and other websites. Hang in there all - IGNORE, IGNORE, IGNORE. Please just IGNORE. Nothing of value to learn, as HL says, why would you read John Birch Society propaganda. If ya wanna read GOOD STUFF - I suggest Howard Zinn's The People's History of the United States.
Happy today to all....snow is coming. Yeah!
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A different kind of Christmas art by Fritz Eichenbery (I am not sure of the spelling of his last name)

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Thanks Rosemary, hadn't heard of him before...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz_Eichenberg Love that woodcut
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Beautiful woodcut.
Sun, I'm envying you the snow. I really love snow, especially around the holidays.
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Thank you, Rosemary! That's beautiful.
I do like the way artists have historically reimagined the nativity story (and other Bible stories), setting them in their own place and time . . . such that Italian artists render them in a vaguely Tuscan landscape, Flemish artists in a northern European village, etc. I guess you could attribute that to a failure of imagination or to insularity (how was a 16th century Flemish artist supposed to know what the landscape and people of the eastern Mediterranean looked like?), but I also think it was a way to increase the emotional impact on the people viewing the picture.
We were talking about Bruegel the other day . . . one of the most powerful religious paintings I've ever seen is Bruegel (the elder)'s depiction of Herod's massacre of the innocents. I saw it when I was in Brussels and was stopped dead in my tracks. It's totally anachronistic - set in a snowy landscape, Herod's soldier's are wearing contemporary uniforms - but wow, does it pack a horrifying punch. You can't help but think of future massacres and genocides. I don't think the painting would be nearly as powerful if its setting were more historically accurate . . . it would distance the viewer, remind them that they were looking at something that happened long ago and far away, instead of creating this incredible sense of immediacy.
If that means making Jesus look northern European, well, maybe there was value in that . . . once. It's a bit more problematic now, in a multicultural society in an interconnected world.
(In some ways, oddly, this has me thinking of the way Jews are instructed to tell the Passover story. In my understanding, it's not supposed to be heard as something that happened to your ancestors, but related to as something that we're actually experiencing.)
Linda
(Edited because there weren't as many posts in between as I thought!)
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Sun, I really envy you the snow. I'm feeling that snow in the Midwest is a thing of the past.

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I'm puzzled by the fussing over employers cutting hours so they don't have to comply with the AHA. Weren't employers doing that already? Weren't many keeping hours under a minimum so they didn't have to pay health benefits? Why was it OK then, but not OK now?
In my opinion, it's bad in any case, but I think it reflects more on the employer than the AHA.
Mary
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