I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange
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LOL!!!
We are on the way to becoming a one party state at the rate these bozos are going in their political miscalculations. And that isn't good for anyone.
E - more and more I think the exception proves the rule (Liberals/moderates = more intelligent). For one, we have the ability to make informed judgements about the credibility of information we see. We don't believe something just because it is on Youtube/the internet. The only extremists who are NOT dumb are the Machiavellians like Rove and the Koch brothers. There is no way you can be a flat earther/climate change and evolution denier without having a cognition problem.
Ron Paul was saying yesterday that secession was an American principle. Good. Run with it, tea partiers - just don't come back begging for handouts when you realize how much better the blue states live.
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Athena -- what you said.
Jackie
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So if some southern state or another decides to secede (I love how they often mispell it as succeed), does that mean they will get no further federal funding at all? And aren't the Republican states the ones who receive much more than they send to the federal government? The result would mean more money for those who stay in the US and a ridiculously low standard of living in the states that left. Or am I missing something here?
On the issue of the study about right wing thought processes, I agree that it is dangerously easy to generalize and that ought to be avoided. The other thread may have all sorts of reasons to dismiss such a study. One is that Brock University is in Canada and they are on a roll against Canada just now. What did we ever do to annoy them?! Is it our health care? Our failure to understand that the term "right to work" means no unions allowed? Our use of the letter "u"? Our tendency to apologize? I'm sorry they don't like us and invite anyone to come to visit to find out personally what it's like here.
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I love Canada. The people are so nice.
I've often laughed at how some people spell secede.....
Maybe the only hope this country has is for the right wing to just run themselves off a cliff by going further to the right. It makes me so sad to see the state of some people, though. I understand that they were stunned when Obama won, as I was stunned when Bush won his second term. I couldn't understand how anyone could vote for him once, let alone twice! But, ya know, he was still my President. I didn't talk about seceding, or leaving the country. I didn't call him names, or intimate that he wasn't really the president. I think both sides get a little weird over the elections, and I do think there need to be stricter controls. But if it's desired that controls are strengthened, then the laws need to be passed a minimum of 4 to 6 years prior to the election they will be first used, so that everyone has time to get all of the things in order that they might need.
I get fairly uncomfortable when I see a study that makes blanket statements about any group of people. I've never seen any evidence that liberals are more intelligent than conservatives. I do think they (liberals) tend to be less fear driven, but extremists on either side have issues. The problem, though, is that as soon as a person goes even slightly to the left of center the right wing extremists start calling them socialists and communists - which is so patently untrue that everything soon devolves into name calling. Maybe if the right drives themselves off the cliff, that the moderate voices can once again be heard. What I wouldn't give for moderation and civil discourse.
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It's your own fault lassie. You Canadians have all that national health care and tolerance and stuff and you insist on being successful and happy about it. And we know that your overuse of the letter 'u' is some sneaky socialist mind control plot.
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There is something ironic about women who don't fold like a tent when they are given the most dreaded diagnosis of breast cancer and fight it with every tool in their arsenal and yet rant about the drastic action of leaving a country they purport to love more than life itself just because the President elect isn't their choice.
When life hits us with bitter disappointment we fight our way through the emotions and then get busy and continue with our lives.
The Bush presidencies made me ill but I never once thought about leaving my country. The Vietnam war was heartbreaking and though I knew of boys who thought of going to Canada, they didn't, including my then boyfriend who drew #15 in the draft lottery. His friend drew #7 and joined the National Guard. My boyfriend joined the Marines.
We are a resilient people, a grand experiment in diversity. We solve our problems, we don't run away from them.
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HL - we would gladly help create a "ticket" for them. Now wouldn't THAT be fun, tho your suggestion is a pretty good start. BRING IT ON - wow, wouldn't it be fun to run against Palin/West.
Meanwhile, I'm getting my HRC 2016 banners ready. AND will insist she gets her haircut - can't believe Isabelle is letting her wear scrunchies
Ok, Blue, so whatz gonna happen on December 21?
Belinda - your cartoons are the BEST, just the BEST! Thank you again...
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Hooray for what you say, Chickadee!
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We are a resilient people, a grand experiment in diversity. We solve our problems, we don't run away from them.
LOVE this statement Chickadee!!!
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To be fair, I do remember plenty of liberals in 2004 saying they wanted to move to Canada - not that I blame them.
I think cancer is different. One has a different set of rules for different areas of life because of the way in which we perceive our ability to control our environment. Having said that, I do get very surprised when I see posters who criticize alternative treatments apparently eager to believe cock and bull stories about Obama, climate change and the economy.
The brain is a very bureaucratic organ, to be sure. It almost never operates in a consistent way.
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Well, I remember a few people saying that, just as I remember some people claiming Bush stole the election. I don't remember anyone who actually DID move to Canada (or anywhere else) after the election, though. (Election stealing is a theme on both sides. That's why I'd like to see stricter controls so we can better validate the voting process. There needs to be no question that the electorate has spoken, that the vote hasn't somehow been rigged. JMO)
Oh consistency - did you want consistency???? Can't find it here!!!
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Chickadee - this is PERFECTION.
We are a resilient people, a grand experiment in diversity. We solve our problems, we don't run away from them.
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Four more years of Bush - or Cheney following Bush, and....include me out. I would be in Canada. Too much resilience is a bad thing, believe me. 1/2
America is a huge country and has always been an uneasy fit. Now is not totally different from 150 years ago. We have an urban, pluralistic secular society alongside a more insular group. Many of our ancestors fled big government, and while some of us decided to found one here that was better, others just took with them the hatred of government to settle in this vast land (while others were forcibly settled and never had a choice) hoping they could have it all their own way.
I think it is fair to say that liberals were aghast at Bush's second election (the first being by the Supreme Court) and we couldn't believe people really were afraid of Michael Moore and gay marriage - or were so stupid as to believe that a president could tackle those issues.
Now the ultra right wing is waking up with the same realization --that they don't live in the same universe as the rest of us-- only they are being hit with it years later.
I don't know the solution to this, but there is a pervasive feeling that our ideologies are incompatible. Something has to give. Hopefully it won't be civil war and secession. I'm hoping it is an improvement in our education system and a crackdown on churches that spew political extremism. Not necessarily holding my breath. Until then, we will continue living like this.
I just know that the Reagan revolution is OVER - yey!!!!!!
When the Soviet empire fell, there were plenty of furious communists - there still are. But they lost. Their ideas went bankrupt. That is what we are seeing here. Lots of "poor-me" whining. Let the crybabies cry. Especially McCain.
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Some good articles from the Daily Beast.....
"A Battle The GOP Can't Win?"
"........I can see why Obama feels the way he does; and I wouldn't be fazed by a return to Clinton tax rates (which reflect a post-Reagan consensus, after all). At the same time, I see the political potency of magnanimity, especially with Obama's brand. The last meeting between the Congressional leaders and the president on the "fiscal cliff" was surprisingly congenial; Obama's victory was made possible by those calling themselves "moderates," i.e. the types who want to see compromise, not brinksmanship; the president's own debt commission favored more revenues via tax reform rather than rate hikes ... so 39 percent is not a hill I would choose to die on.
Maybe that's naive. And I'm not a liberal Democrat. But the promise of Obama was always a pragmatism that could practically move all this country forward. If the Republican fever is broken, then givethem some space, if not time, to climb down. I still favor the contours of Bowles-Simpson for the long term. Most of all because it is the only deficit-reduction plan that really, truly cuts the absurdly high level of military spending. Forcing the GOP to accept that may be more of a longer-term victory than getting the top tax rate back to something more realistic for long term deficit reduction. One of the biggest drivers of our current debt is the war-machine. Dismantle some of that and the savings are potentially huge.
Full article:
http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2012/11/a-battle-the-gop-cant-win.html
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And this article:
"The GOP’s Absurd Attack on Susan Rice Over Benghazi"
"There would seem to be little connection between Nate Silver and Susan Rice, but hear me out. The New York Times electoral savant was said to be “controversial.” No one adduced a lick of factual evidence for why he should have been thought to be so, but people on the right just didn’t like his electoral predictions, so they tried to make him controversial. With respect to Rice, the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, much the same is true. In reality land, she’s done nothing that ought to be considered all that controversial. But again, conservatives don’t like the outcome—Democrats having the upper hand on foreign policy and national security—so they’re trying to make her controversial.
Republicans, are pissed off that Obama paid no electoral price for the Benghazi attack. This is all but inconceivable to them because in the ecosystem in which they thrive, Benghazi is bigger than Watergate, Waterloo, and waterboarding combined. They can’t understand or accept that many middle Americans don’t share their outrage.
The only scandal here, as usual, is what the Republicans are up to."
For full article:
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Hi all, I'll be traveling over the next several days, celebrating Thanksgiving with various friends and family. Will rarely be on-line, so to everyone, have a good week and to all the U.S.A. ladies:
Happy Thanksgiving!
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Thanks Belinda -we will miss you! Are you from Canada? If you have mentioned that already, please accept my apologies!
Sunnyflowers - I'm curious too - what is going on December 21?
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Wishing I could enlarge this but don't know how. At any rate, the hypocrisy is astounding......
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Thanks, Athena. I was born and raised in the U.S.A (and currently live on the east coast). (Didn't want to give a blanket "Thanksgiving" shout out to all here, cuz I know lots of international ladies read here : )
Also, December 21st....isn't that when the world is supposed to end, according to the Mayans?
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LOLOLOLOL
December 21, 2012 is the end of the Mayan calendar so some say it will be the end of the world..
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Ahhhh...I see. Well what are these republicans whining about then??? It will all be over. I'm sure they believe such tales. :-)
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Lindasa, great point! Btw, when I clicked on your graphic, it enlarged and I could read it better : )
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Yup - what belinda said, click on it and you can read it - and HOWL with rage at the HYPOCRISY of McLooney & HidingintheclosetGraham....grrrrrr......
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While I'm sure more than 3/4 of the U.S. population couldn't give two hoots about Benghazi/Susan Rice, McGrumpypants forgets about actual recorded history and continues on his shameless, nasty ways in trying to convince the other 1/4 that this attack could be Obama's "Watergate". Well, we North Americans DO remember Watergate, and all the rightwingers are doing is reminding us of the perfidy of the GOP. It has never stopped, and probably never will......
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Intelligence officials told CNN that the intelligence community, not the White House, changed the now infamous Benghazi talking points given to U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice before her appearance on several morning news shows in September. CNN quoted both the spokesperson for the Director of National Intelligence and an anonymous official “familiar with the drafting of the talking points.” The DNI spokesperson said that the only “substantive changes” came from the intelligence community and not the White House.
Former CIA Director David Petraeus told lawmakers in a closed door hearing last week that the CIA’s original assessment on the Sept. 11 Benghazi attack was that it was carried out by al Qaeda affiliated groups. But he reportedly said that analysis was later taken out after an interagency review in favor of a more general assessment that “extremists” carried out the attack to broaden the scope and not tip off terrorists to U.S. knowledge on the matter. And despite the fact that Petraeus said the CIA approved the change, Republicans, led by Republican senators John McCain (AZ), Lindsey Graham (SC) and Kelly Ayotte (NH), have accused the White House of stripping the language for political reasons.
But Shawn Turner, the spokesman for the Director of National Intelligence, told CNN that it wasn’t the White House’s decision:“The intelligence community made substantive, analytical changes before the talking points were sent to government agency partners for their feedback. There were no substantive changes made to the talking points after they left the intelligence community.”
Another anonymous intelligence official echoed Turner, saying that the changes were made based on legitimate intelligence and for legal purposes:
Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/11/20/1219641/susan-rice-talking-points-cia/ -
Linda - well that should settle it, but it won't, ofcourse. They will surely make up another Benghazi boogieman (or should I say woman?). It always amazed me that the words Susan Rice relayed to the public, 5 days after this attack, on those morning shows, was of higher value than any other aspect of this tragedy. If one actually stopped to think long enough about this, this is ludicrous.
Above an beyond, any rational person would wonder what needed covering up? It was violence perped against an American government installation. By defintion, isn't this terrorism, no matter who the perpatrators were? Obama, in fact, called it an "Act of Terrorism" the next day.
It's all so strange, but then so many things coming from the Right are these days.
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OT. Turned on TV to find the channel still on TCM from last night. Taras Bulba. Tony Curtis and Yul Brynner
Next to Elizabeth Taylor I don't think anyone on the planet had more gorgeous eyes than Tony Curtis. No matter how hokey the movie, them eyes just grab me every time.
Yul Brynner was nice eye candy too.....shirtless. -
I just tried several ways to express my astonishment that Susan Rice and Barack Obama are being portrayed by some in the right in the issue in Libya with such unsupported vitriol. Words fail me.
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Chickadee-----My DH "found" it and also has been watching.
I wonder if the different clans of cavepeople reacted towards each other the way people are acting today? I think that MotherNature and the SupremeBeing have been setting course for the next step in our evolution to a better world. Anyone know the song In The Year 2525? I would link it in but I dont have enough intellect in my brain to know how to do it. GREAT song about evolution.-------keep safe have a good weekend And if your believe in that fairytale of Indians and white men sitting down together, sharing a meal, Have WONDERFUL THANKSGIVING!!-----kad2kar
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kad2kar, here's a link to a version of The Year 2525, artistic license in this version (the original singers but added graphics):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yesyhQkYrQMCategories
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