Similar to prostate cancer?
Hi everyone
Just came across this article. Cancer Research UK reported on a hypothesis in June 2011 that ER negative and PR positive breast cancer is affected by androgen receptors.
According to the report, it may be that it is similar to prostate cancer and could be treated with drugs that are already available for this type of cancer.
May I have the views of any scientists and interested parties on this website?
A tale of two hormone receptors – could prostate cancer therapy help breast cancer patients?
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Androgen receptors - more commonly associated with prostate cancer - could also play a role in some types of breast cancer.
Breast cancer survival is one of the big success stories of recent years. Thanks to improvements in screening and treatment more than 70 per cent of women now survive for more than ten years, compared to around 40 per cent back in the 1970s.
But while this is cause for celebration, the statistics hide the fact that most of this progress has been made in treating breast cancers driven by the female sex hormone oestrogen.
So-called oestrogen-receptor positive (ER-positive) breast cancer accounts for around two-thirds of cases, and can usually be treated with hormone therapies that block the production or action of oestrogen – notably drugs such as tamoxifen and aromatase inhibitors.
Unfortunately, these drugs don’t work in women whose breast cancers lack oestrogen receptors (ER-negative), so alternative chemotherapy options are used. These are often not as successful as hormone therapy, and new treatment approaches are urgently needed.
Now a paper from Cancer Research UK scientists, published in the EMBO Journal this week, shines the spotlight on a subset of these ER-negative breast cancers – known as molecular apocrine breast cancer - showing that they may be fuelled by a molecule more commonly implicated in prostate cancer.
Not only do the results help to explain the puzzle underpinning the disease, but they bring hope for more effective treatments in the near future.
From oestrogen to androgen
Women’s bodies are awash with female hormones – namely oestrogen and progesterone – but they also produce a small amount of testosterone, more commonly thought of as a male hormone.
These hormones act by entering cells and attaching to receptors – the oestrogen, progesterone and androgen (testosterone) receptors, respectively – which then switch on specific genes causing the cell to do certain things (for example, grow and divide).
Scientists have known about the roles of the oestrogen and progesterone receptors in breast cancer for some time, showing that they are a key force in driving cancer cells to divide in response to hormones. But, curiously enough, most breast cancers also contain androgen receptors.
In oestrogen-positive breast cancer, androgen receptors have been found to counteract the effects of oestrogen, slowing down cancer growth. This is borne out by research showing that women whose breast tumours carry both oestrogen and androgen receptors are likely to respond better to treatment and survive longer.
But nobody knew what androgen receptors were doing in breast cancers that didn’t have oestrogen receptors. So a team of researchers from our Cambridge Research Institute – led by Dr Jason Carroll and Dr Ian Mills – along with colleagues in Norway and Australia, set about finding out.
Studying the switches
Hormone receptors act as molecular ‘switches’, attaching to special regions of DNA and turning specific genes on.
To find out what the androgen receptor was up to, the researchers studied three different cell lines – human cancer cells grown in the lab. These were breast cancer cells lacking oestrogen receptors but containing androgen receptors (similar to molecular apocrine ER-negative breast cancer), breast cancer cells with both receptors (similar to ER-positive breast cancer), and prostate cancer cells (which only carry the androgen receptor).
Using various techniques, the scientists looked at the cells’ DNA to find out which genes the androgen and oestrogen receptors were attached to (and therefore switching on) in the different types of cells – and got a rather surprising result.
Rather than finding that the oestrogen and androgen receptors were turning on different genes, they noticed a significant overlap. Around half of the locations occupied by oestrogen receptors in the ER-positive breast cancer cells were hogged by androgen receptors in the ER-negative cells, presumably switching on the same genes that drive cancer growth.
This poses an interesting question. Oestrogen and androgen receptors each have unique shapes, which match different regions of DNA, like keys fitting into locks. In theory, the androgen receptors shouldn’t even be able to attach to the oestrogen receptor sites, let alone switch on genes.
So how were they managing it?
The missing link
The missing piece in the puzzle came in the form of a protein called FoxA1. Like the androgen and oestrogen receptors, FoxA1 sits on DNA and helps to switch genes on by ‘opening up’ the DNA so genes can be read. It’s well-known to scientists, as it helps oestrogen receptors to turn on genes in breast cancer cells, but was only thought to be important in oestrogen-receptor positive tumours.
However, when the Cambridge team looked at the location of FoxA1 on DNA in the ER-negative breast cancer cells, they found an almost exact match with the androgen receptors – more than 98 per cent of the sites occupied by androgen receptors also attracted FoxA1. In contrast, only half of the sites occupied by oestrogen receptors in AR+ ER+ cells were targets for FoxA1.
This told the researchers that FoxA1 must be acting as a ‘skeleton key’, allowing androgen receptors to hijack sites normally reserved for oestrogen receptors and switch on genes driving cancer growth.
What does this mean for treating breast cancer?
This is the first time that researchers have shown that androgen receptors play an important role in switching on ‘oestrogen responsive’ genes in breast cancer cells that don’t carry oestrogen receptors.
And unlike the situation in breast cancers with both types of receptor – where the androgen receptor acts as a ‘brake’ on cancer growth – it’s likely that androgen receptors are responsible for fuelling the growth of ER-negative cancer cells in molecular apocrine cancers.
This research opens up two avenues for exploration that could lead to new treatments for molecular apocrine ER-negative breast cancer. Firstly, it suggests that drugs targeting FoxA1 may be useful for treating the disease – an approach that is already being explored but is yet to bear fruit.
Perhaps more importantly, the findings also suggest that anti-androgen drugs could be useful for treating women with this particular type of breast cancer. These drugs are currently used to treat men with prostate cancer – a disease fuelled by testosterone acting on androgen receptors.
Given that anti-androgens such as bicalutamide are used to treat thousands of men safely every year, it should be relatively quick to test this idea in a clinical trial.
This work is still at an early stage, and it’s important not to extrapolate too far from cell lines growing in the lab to real women living with ER-negative breast cancer. But this discovery is a big step towards making a success story out of this type of breast cancer too.
Kat
Reference:
Robinson J et al (2011). Androgen receptor driven transcription in molecular apocrine breast cancer is mediated by FoxA1 EMBO Journal DOI:10.1038/emboj.2011.216
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Hello cp418
A post from you for October 31 2012 has just appeared on this thread. I am a bit puzzled as to whether you posted it or not. If you did, thank you very much for all the links, which I will look at tomorrow, when I have a bit more time.
Best wishes.
Sylvia
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yes, if I recall the article links are for the androgen receptor as it relates to breast cancer versus it's role in prostate cancer.
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Hello Jenrio, CP, Lifelover and friends
As an ER-/PR positive person, I noticed that my pathology report said I had IDC with apocrine features as well as being HER2+.
Despite having a grade 3 tumour, it had not spread to the lymph nodes or blood after mastectomy. I am wondering if this is because of the apocrine features...
Have a look at the John Hopkins website:
Apocrine Breast Cancer Diagnosis
Apocrine breast cancer is a rare type of invasive ductal breast cancer. Like other types of invasive ductal cancer, apocrine breast cancer begins in the milk duct of the breast before spreading to the tissues around the duct. The cells that make up an apocrine tumor are different than those of typical ductal cancers.
When the cells of an apocrine tumor are examined under the microscope, they look like cells normally found in the sweat glands in the underarm and groin region. It is thought that the normal ductal breast cells have undergone a change in form, called metaplasia, to become more like apocrine cells, though it is not known exactly how or why this occurs.
Apocrine tumors are often “triple negative”, meaning that the cells do not express the estrogen receptor, progesterone receptor, or HER2 receptor. Apocrine tumor cells are almost always positive for an additional receptor called the androgen receptor. Apocrine tumors, even when triple negative, are less likely to involve the lymph nodes, are more responsive to treatment, and may have a better prognosis than more common types of invasive ductal cancer.
Apocrine Breast Cancer Staging and Treatment
Local therapy for apocrine breast cancer is aimed at preventing the cancer from coming back in the breast. Local therapy includes surgery (lumpectomy or mastectomy), and may include radiation.
Systemic therapy is used to prevent the disease from coming back or spreading to another part of the body. This may include endocrine (hormone) therapy, chemotherapy, and therapy that targets the HER2 protein. Often different types of treatment are used together to achieve the best result.
Interesting?
This makes me more comfortable than ever than going on Arimidex, which blocks the androgen turning into estrogen I believe.
Best wishes
Alice
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I was very pleased to find this thread. I've always believed the two diseases are similar. Very interesting info and links. Thank you to all for providing the info.
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Reading this, one wonders if testosterone would help with ER+/AR+ tumors.
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Hello ladies, CP and anyone else who is reading this thread
I've come across a very interesting article re this rare sub-type of hormone-positive breast cancer below.
In brief, this article seems to be suggesting that progesterone should not be considered when oncs are deciding re hormone therapy.
However, as previous articles I have found discussed the importance or otherwise of the androgen receptor it indicates that the oncs themselves have a bit of a debate going re our type of breast cancer (ER- PR+).
Mine seems to be taking the view that although there may only be a 2-3% benefit for me re taking Tamoxifen or an AI based on my stats, either or these drugs is worth taking.
After a bad experience with Arimidex (itching skin, almost passing out), I'm not so sure.
Will update you after my meeting with him.
Best wishes
Alice
http://cancerres.aacrjournals.org/cgi/content/short/72/24_MeetingAbstracts/P5-01-03?rss=1
Cancer Research: December 15, 2012; Volume 72, Issue 24, Supplement 3 doi: 10.1158/0008-5472.SABCS12-P5-01-03 Abstracts: Thirty-Fifth Annual CTRC-AACR San Antonio Breast Cancer Symposium-- Dec 4-8, 2012; San Antonio, TX © 2012 American Association for Cancer Research
Poster Session 5 - Detection/Diagnosis: Diagnostic Pathology
Discordant Estrogen and Progesterone Receptor Status in Breast Cancer
MM Hefti, R Hu, N Knoblauch, L Collins, RM Tamimi, and AH Beck
Beth Israel Deaconess Medical Center, Boston, MA; Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston, MA
Introduction: Hormone receptor status is used to guide clinical therapy in breast cancer. Estrogen receptor (ER) assays from pathology reports have been shown to be in agreement with ER measured by a centralized laboratory on tissue microarray 87% of the time (Kappa = 0.64); however, little is known of reproducibility within subsets of patients defined by ER/PR status (1).
Methods: We computed percent agreement and Kappa statistics for ER/PR status as reported in pathology reports from Nurse's Health Study (NHS) participants with breast cancer from 1976 to 2000, and as scored by immunohistochemistry (IHC) on tissue microarrays at a central laboratory (n = 2011). Statistics were computed separately for 4 subsets of patients stratified by ER/PR status as defined by pathology reports (ER+/PR+, ER+/PR–, ER–/PR+, ER–/PR–). We also used a curated compilation of publicly available gene expression data sets providing both IHC and microarray data on ER and PR expression (n = 1236).
Results: We observed significant heterogeneity in Kappa values across the four groups of patients, with ER+/PR+ and ER–/PR- showing the strongest agreement, ER+/PR- showing fair agreement, and ER–/PR+ showing no significant agreement: 89.1% of ER+/PR+ cases from medical record were ER+/PR+ by TMA (
=.60), 69.4% of ER–/PR- cases from medical record were ER–/PR- by TMA (
=.63), 42% of ER+/PR- cases from medical record were ER+/PR- by TMA (
=.37), and only 6% of cases of ER–/PR+ cases from medical record were ER–/PR+ by TMA (
=.06). Using publicly available microarray data, we observed similar results comparing IHC to gene expression data in the same samples. Expression values were scaled across patients, and a patient was classified as positive for the marker by microarray if the scaled expression value was greater than zero. The agreement between IHC data and gene expression-based classification was 50.0% (k = .50), 80.8% (
=.54), 42.0% (
=.15), and 7.2% (
= –.006) for ER+/PR+, ER–/PR–, ER+/PR–, and ER–/PR+, respectively.
Conclusion: ER–/PR+ is by far the most rare and least reproducible subset of breast cancer cases. Given the lack of reproducibility of the ER–/PR+ group and the minimal reported benefit from hormonal therapy in these patients (2), these data question the clinical utility of assessment of PR, particularly in ER– breast cancer.
- 1. Collins LC, Marotti JD, Baer HJ, Tamimi RM. Comparison of estrogen receptor results from pathology reports with results from central laboratory testing. Journal of the National Cancer Institute. 2008;100(3):218–21.
- 2. Anderson H, Hills M, Zabaglo L, A'Hern R, Leary AF, Haynes BP, et al. Relationship between estrogen receptor, progesterone receptor, HER-2 and Ki67 expression and efficacy of aromatase inhibitors in advanced breast cancer. Annals of oncology: official journal of the European Society for Medical Oncology/ESMO. 2011;22(8):1770–6.
Citation Information: Cancer Res 2012;72(24 Suppl):Abstract
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Hello everyone
It is very difficult to decide whether or not to take an anti-hormonal pill such as Tamoxifen being ER- and PR+.
I was thinking that I wouldn't but then I came across this paper online:
http://jco.ascopubs.org/content/23/4/931.full.pdf+html
It seems to suggest obliquely that weakly PR+ people could benefit from Tamoxifen but not strongly PR+ people.
A puzzle indeed!
Alice
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Thank you CP!
Will digest and consider.
Alice
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Thank you CP
Will read and digest!
Was not sure whether I should be taking a hormonal pill or not being ER- PR+ but...
I had my meeting with an onc yesterday (not my usual onc but his registrar who works closely with him) and the view of the team is that I do not have to take hormone pills being ER- and PR+ if I feel my quality of life would be affected.
The onc said any benefit would be negligible with my ER- status so they were happy for me not to take it.
After terrible side-effects on Arimidex and being too scared to take Tamoxifen because of the risk of blood clots, you can guess what I chose.
So happy!
If I was ER+, of course, my onc's recommendation would be to take it.
Good luck to us ER- PR+ people and our readers.
Best wishes
Alice
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