I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

Sun - my goal is to see if I can get by with 120 gallons this year (heat only).  (My house is only 1200 sq ft)  I do not have central anything, just a "monitor" heater (very popular in my parts).  We've had a warmish oct/nov thus far, so only have turned on this main heat source for about 20 hours total, thus far.  Normally, our winter lows are in the 10-20's in Dec/Jan...then 20's/30's later in the winter (it's snowing now), so this will be a challenge for me - but BC wiped me out..having to travel so far for treatment.  I've gotten my electric bill down to $58 a month, $68 with A/C, so my guess is that electricity will be the cheaper way to go. 

Alexandria, DH and I are also well-off and stand to pay quite a bit more under the President's tax plan ....we have already been in the AMT for about 5 years now. I don't mind, either. We make more and we should pay more so that people can get health care and housing and food and job training and a hand up when they need it. The really amusing thing about the funhouse mirror is that they believe (much like their delusional party) that we are all poor and don't work. That makes me laugh.



I remember when Dumbya passed his tax cut -- we sat right here in our family room wherre I am sitting now, raving to each other about what a surpassingly STOOOOOPID idea it was, because we KNEW hard times would come and the country would need that money. Bridges were crumbling even then ... Railways need to be modernized ... Air traffic control NexGen was in development... And the well-to-do people like us were just going to put it in our mutual funds and not spend it. And we were right.



I love being a New Deal Democrat!



L

Rad onc says radiation twice a day for 4-5 weeks. They do a lower dose twice a day to try to preserve the nerves.



Running off to do errands....back later!

If you are or grew up rich or privileged and voted for Obama, raise your hand....

Loads of us!

There are no handouts under Obama. None beyond the imagination of lying republicans. There are opportunities to hand back. And a TON of people feel privileged to do that.

Obama epitomized success - he epitomizes the self-made man and the American dream. He IS rich and successful himself.

The blatant lie that he or his supporters do not like success/like handouts is BULLSHIT.

And I hope this reverberates across fences.

Stop believing the lies your jealous masters feed you. Obama is a capitalist and a fairly conservative one. He is supported by other fairly conservative capitalists. And there are a lot of nasty bigots who are really, really envious of that.

GG - the angriest I got at Obama is when he agreed to the extension of the Bush tax cuts for those making over 250,000.

He has been more conservative than I would have liked - which is what makes the talk of socialist-communists-freehandouts so absurd.  But its like chickadee said - the carny mirrors - everything distorted.

Enjoyful - hugs.  Hoping for painless and successful treatment.

Doctors with pitch forks?  My gf's Tuesday night election party was with a roomful of pro-Obama general surgeons and family practicioneers, including her husband.  For some reason, the orthopods like Romney.

Whose calling the smartest woman, the smartest anyone, on television "an idiot?"  I guess they can't recognize intelligence when confronted with it.  Splains a lot.

Didn't grow up rich, and I'm not very well off, but I didn't vote for Obama for the free stuff I would get. What a ridiculous idea.

Mary

Yeah for chocolate!  We have a cake in the frig. Now, before or after dinner......

I think some people should just quit their jobs (if they have one), give away their money and go live on all that 'free stuff' they say they know about.  Sure ... give it a try.  Please do get back to us with how it all works out for you.  

Somebody really should have told us "Lazy Libs" sooner that we were supposed to be living on handouts and free stuff.  When I think of all the years this night owl had to get up at 5:00 am to go to work it's almost enough to make me

Obama is a classic American success story.  So was Bill Clinton and they hated him too.  Go figure.

I'm just hearing Romney was "shell shocked" that he didn't win election nite.  No sucession speech planned, a web page ready to introduce the transition and the new "President-elect", etc. etc.   How could this be?  Their team had the same access to polls as Obama's team.  Did they expect voter suppression to work?  Did they expect some other sort of miracle of votes to switch??  This expectation seems unreasonable GIVEN THE FACTS.  It reminds me of the story of  Florida first being declared for Gore in 2000 and Papa Bush (or maybe it was Jeb Bush) saying "That can't be."  Oh why not was my question?  What did you know that those counting the votes did not?

Wow !!!!  Free is good, hope we don't have to wait too long to get it.  I think Faux Fox takes people's brains and partially dissolves them in something. 

My gas...I don't know exactly......but we are on a budget plan.  For ten months out of the year we pay $90.00 per month with two months off.  We also got an I heater which cut our propane usuage in at least half so now pay about $110.00 per month for that.  Essentially.....we add $30.00 per month to our electric bill so we can have more heat ( using the two different sources ) on a daily basis.  It is usually warm at my house in the open LR, kitchen/dining and lg foyer area --  going into the individual bed rooms and bath can feel chilly but truly isn't that bad. 

We pay $3.19 cents for gasoline.  We are not well off, our major problem is having to save so long for home repairs or updates, or replacement appliances etc.  We don't have savings......that all went pretty much during my medical upsets after getting BC.

I feel that I am fortunate....I can still work at 67 and do.  I don't ask for freebies and don't expect them....from anyone.  I have a loving family though I do consider the Republican part of it, just as delusional as the next door people.  I avoid them when possible because doom, and gloom and "odd" theories take up too much of my time for nothing.  I seldom refuse to help anyone if I am able and for several years now.....7 or 8, I lost track some time back, I go out to several feral cat colonies ( a few of them will let me pet them though they are wary ) and feed them every day, 365 days a year unless it is pouring and they they won't come out.  I'm thrilled to see my Pres. get a second term as he is soooo deserving, but I kept my mouth shut about all the ones I did not like and thought were doing a terrible job. 

I don't have much but I have a real life and when I listen to some of the things said over there....I almost feel sorry for those people....brainwashed by a rather idiotic news source that as my Dad used to say is so worthless they couldn't pour piss out of a good boot.  My family taught me to think for myself.....it was a lot easier before  BC, but I'm not so bad off I can't tell good from bad. 

Alexandria....did I hear you offer chocolate cake....double yum !!!

Jackie

Rove looked like an idiot having a tantrum about how Ohio could not be going for Obama too.  Does make you wonder if they thought some kind of fix was in.  On the other hand they seem to be capable of believing all sorts of stuff that makes no sense.  Most everything before and during the election pointed to an Obama win ... obviously these guys are not as smart as they think they are.

Jackie - I love your posts! (If you don't mind my repetition)

Kam and Wabbit - I can only explain it to myself by going on what has happened to the large Wall Street houses that have crashed, or to Enron. There is sort of a folie a deux that becomes a folie a many....a mass delusion fed by a group of people which at one point has amassed a lot of power and believes it has hit on an infallible formula for succes that will yield huge returns every time. Rove was right in 2000 and 2004, so why would 2012 be any different....

Campaigns do microtargeting in the way that most pollsters don't and they also often operate under great pressure. I can imagine scenarios of selective insider polling constructed to keep GOP donors happy and the boss at peace. The GOP has long fovored consensus over open-ness, so a pleasing poll in that culture may have more value than an accurate one. I think that with all the money coming into the RNC and the PACS, people there ASSUMED that it would pay off - how could it not, if money buys everything, right?? They over estimated their power. There was a lot of hubris, just as there was in Hillary's 2008 capaign.

There was also the mass feeding of lies that keep getting repeated until the brain cannot process information any other way. the same delusion/naivete that has gripped Wall Street and led to the more spectacular scandals and bankruptcies. The word on the street is that x investment is good - it's got to be great, and with so-and-so and also so-also-so backing it, how can it fail??

Every risk assessment has data that favors it and data that does not. The good analysts know which data is important when. I think the Romney people were so insular that they only paid attention to the promising data and were able to dismiss the rest.

The other explanation I come up with is that when you are dishonest you often think other peole are too. So if you lie to your base, ignore science and try to convince people that Fox is fair and accurate, then the other side must be doing the same....right??? To these people, Nate Silver was "the other side." It didn't really occur to them that he would not fudge the numbers, because they assumed he was an apparatchik just like them. As it turned out, they were wrong.

Ok, I have just found one of those infamous "freebies."