I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited November 2012

    As WR said, I hope Obama lets all the tax cuts expire (as it is obvious the Repubs are intent on continuing their obstructionist attitudes).  Then introduce new tax cuts for those who make less than $250,000/yr.  Make it OBVIOUS what they are doing.  Make them show their true colors.

    The first term, it took our President too long to realize that they had zero intention of working with him on anything.  Now they don't necessarily want to simply make HIM look bad, but they continue to want to make Dems looks bad as they are now looking towards 2016.

    The problem with the Republicans is that they really have no interest in fixing the problems of the country, they simply want control.  They actually remind me very much of a guy I work with....  come to think of it, he's a tea-partier.....  his interest even on day-to-day projects is not cooperating with anyone else.  If things don't go his way, they just aren't right......

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited November 2012

    He did post some Twitter messages the other night - including one calling for revolution - which he later deleted. The Huffington Post kept copies - that is how I saw them.

    Who knows....no brain expert myself, God knows. If Romney had magically won, though, I think I would have had a brain turn or two. :)

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited November 2012

    Anyone think this guy should retire from politics?

    Pic of the Moment

  • Wabbit
    Wabbit Member Posts: 1,592
    edited November 2012

    How are our NY/NJ and other east coasters doing?  Athena ... did you notice that the latest storm was named for you?   

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited November 2012

    Linda, no.  I think Karl Rove did a great job.  Wink

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited November 2012

    I did indeed!

    Lindasa, I wish Karl Rove would simply jump in a lake. Of all sore losers, this man takes the cake. His donors would be idiots to blame him. They would be very naive. Some Wall Street people are shockingly naive, though. It amazes me every time. They think money solves everything, then they wonder why they still have problems.

    The big myth that this election has debunked is that money runs politics in the US. It's absolutely not true, and this was especially made evident in state races.

    It's good to remember that, overall, our democracy triumphed and we should be thankful. A black man was re-elected and, aside from a protest at a university in backward Mississippi --and all the verbal nastiness-- the country is fine with that. Most conservatives are accepting the facts on the ground in spite of themselves. America continues to be bigger than the sum of its parts.

    For a country of this size, this power, with this much diversity and this much vitriol in our discourse, we should be proud. Let's not forget that. Most countries only wish they could deal with a major storm and a presidential election this well.

    Despite all of my complaints, it's still good to be a yankee. :-)

    ETA: My point is, we don't have tanks on the streets (only arses on the screen). And it's good to remind ourselves to be thankful for that.

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited November 2012

    Yes, Athena, it's comforting to know that, DESPITE all the money thrown at the political parties and candidates, the general public saw through it and the majority voted with their (and their neighbours') best interests at heart.

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited November 2012

    I'm going to give a lot of credit to Plouffe and Axelrod.  They've one-upped anything Karl Rove ever did, campaign wise.  All the $$ in the world will not replace being connected to the people that do the actual voting...i.e. "boots on the ground."  Obama did have an advantage, because his network had been established in 2008 and he didn't have to put money into a silly primary, like Romney.  Nevertheless, these guys apparently know what they are doing and the geniuses that they are, they used the 2010 Census - didn't Nate Silver say that?!!! 

    The one question that lingers for me, after this election...if the good polls are not with your candidate, is it necessary to lie about the polls as the Republicans did?  You know, everyone loves a winner - so one strategy is to bluff about your candidates popularity.  It's a conundrum, thankfully, Obama did not have to face.  I dislike all the polling for this reason, nevertheless, it is what we have now.

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited November 2012

    Kam, it was Chuck Todd who also said that about the 2010 census last night on Nightly. He said (paraphrasing) that the Obama campaign used a not-very-secret government document to plan their campaign - the 2010 census.



    Just goes to show you what actual FACTS can do for you (instead of delusions).



    The sore losers on the wrong side of history remind me of Gollum ... Creatures of the dark hunched in their caves, clinging to their "Precioussssss," dreaming of a long-ago sunlit world which never really existed, in which Saint Ronnie was king and everything was the way they wanted. Of course, in reality, addled Ronnie was "acting" like a president while taking the U.S. from the largest creditor nation to the largest debtor nation in 8 years, starting us down an economic slide that we are reeling from today.



    http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/11/republicans-bet-everything-and-obama-won-it-all.html



    Another good dissection of what happened.



    L



  • alexandria58
    alexandria58 Member Posts: 1,588
    edited November 2012
  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited November 2012

    I've been smiling since Tuesday night - I think my face may get stuck Laughing .  I don't now (and apparently never will) understand why some people hate our President so much.  I (personally) thought Reagan was a horrible President, starting the country on the path to a Plutocracy.  Bush Sr. continued those abysmal policies and Bush Jr. - well, he and his cohorts led us into the pit we've been attempting to crawl out of for the last four years.

    In other words, I didn't have much use for any of them.  Nonetheless, each of them, while in office, were still my President.  They held the highest office in the land, and though I didn't agree with them, I also didn't call them names and act as if they were somehow illegitimate (though I certainly didn't like the interference of the Supreme Court, the Dems - especially Gore - didn't do what was necessary either).  So, while in office each of them held my respect as the President of these United States.  There are conspiracy theorists on the left, just as there are conspiracy theorists on the right - but the left doesn't circle round and idolize the conspiracy nutjobs - instead, they pretty much ignore them.  One of my biggest issues with the conservative groups is that they seem to believe anything they read or hear, as long as it is something nasty about our President.  They don't take the time to investigate for accuracy - they don't use the first litmus test - is it reasonable?

    I didn't want Romney to be elected, and am MOST glad that Obama won.  However, IF Romney had been elected, he would have been my President, too.  I don't dislike the Mormon faith.  It's a religion that cares for their own, and most of our friends are Mormon.  I wouldn't be a Mormon, but there are many reasons for that, most of which would be TMI for an internet website.

    I would post this on the Mirror site, but know that it would only cause problems, so instead I'll post it here with the full knowledge that most of the conservative ladies read here. 

  • Alyson
    Alyson Member Posts: 4,308
    edited November 2012

    Morning ladies

    Thank you for making me smile as I read. We get Fox here as well and most only go to it for a laugh. DDs ( one very left and liberal) do watch one of the chat shows I think again for the entertainment value.

    Getting down to the ordinary - I must get dressed as I have a hair appointment today and have to take DGS to playgroup. However I will be wearing a red shirt, not anything to do with conservative in the States but because our Prime Minister put his foot in it again by saying to an interviewer 'that's a gay shirt your wearing' because it was red. Here red is the Labour party colour. So even though I am of a much more liberal persuasion, I will wear a red top just for fun. Our labour Party is mildly socialist with National much more like a conservative democrat. Anyway our PM keeps making such gaffs, he doesn't engage the brain before he opens his mouth. He said it was because his children use 'gay' to mean weird!!

    Have a great day

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited November 2012

    That lion should be living in the wild.

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited November 2012

    Hi Everyone,

    So glad the election is finally over.  Mr. Tim called me Wednesday morning (he was in Houston) and was practically in tears.  Then the ranting and raving began.  And then the conspiracy theories ... I just politely listened ... but when the cursing and bizarre statements started, I had to remind him that I didn't want to talk politics with him ... ever.  He's too addicted to Fox news to make much sense.  He wasn't like this when we met years ago .. he used to be a democrat.

    I finally made my appointment to see my surgeon.  Have to wait until Dec. 11th though ... arghhh.  I am six months past due on my colonoscopy and I've been having some problems, so I'm really dreading it.  I'm supposed to have it done every three years.

    Blue .. Your daughter is stunning.  Can't wait to see more pictures.

    Enjoyful .. Hope your appointment with the radiation oncologist went well today.  I know you are really dreading having the rads.  I hope you don't have to have a lot of threatments ... that area of the neck is so sensitive.  I hated rads so much ... my heart goes out to you.

    My friend Brenda has to have another brain MRI and one of her leg in two weeks.  Her new oncologist wants the radiation oncologist to review the upcoming scan and see if her three brain lesions would benefit from the gamma knife.

    I'm going to read the darkside and see what the gals are saying.  Tim would fit in great with that website!

    hugs,

    Bren

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited November 2012

    Oh Bren - lot's of fainting, catastrophizing and demogoguery going on over there.  I guess I'm behind on the latest thing on their lists of things to say, but "free phones" seems to be the trend on Dimwittter.

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited November 2012

    OMG .. just ordered heating fuel ... it's $365 for 100 gallons!

    The price just keeps going up ... I had thought it was tied more closely to the price of gas per gallon ... guess not.  Gas here is about $3.05 a gallon right now.

    hugs,

    Bren

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited November 2012

    Feel lucky Bren.....auto gasoline is over $4.00 a gallon where I live and I just put 120 gallons into my 220 gallon kerosene fuel tank and it was $4.00 a gallon (actually less than last year, for the kerosene).  We do not have natural gas here.   This year it might be cheaper to use electricity, so I'm trying to hold off on using my gas heater.

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited November 2012

    Alyson, your PM sounds a lot like Bush Jr. "Gaff" should have been his middle name!

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited November 2012

    The Romney campaign conceded Florida this afternoon. :-D



  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited November 2012

    Bren, we paid $3.79 a gallon for heating oil, and bought 400 gallons - that was a big hit!!  Like Kam, our gasoline is significantly higher than $3.05 - but it has sunk below $4.00 as of this week.  $3.89....

  • 208sandy
    208sandy Member Posts: 2,610
    edited November 2012

    What the heck is the "free phone" thing over there anyway - I worked on the '08 and I didn't get a phone and don't know anyone who did - these people are going to end up in padded cells if they don't get a grip - honestly, move on people!

  • 208sandy
    208sandy Member Posts: 2,610
    edited November 2012

    Bren:

    Good to see you posting - sorry Mr. Tim is acting out - he'll calm down.....

    Wow, the price of heating oil makes you want to move somewhere warmer doesn't it?  But then you'd have to pay whopping electric bills - it should be 65 degrees somewhere all year 'round.

    Sorry that Naniam is going to have to go through more testing but perhaps that is good news - sounds like the new onc is right on top of things.

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited November 2012

    Bren, everybody is talking about "giving up" and just taking the "free stuff" lol! Apparently they don't think there is any use in working or getting an education any more as the country has turned socialist. Democracy is officially dead! I'm just so amazed at the reality distortion field over there. What, exactly, is the "free stuff"?

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited November 2012

    Alyson .. Your prime minister sounds like a hoot!

    Kam .. OMG ... $4.00 a gallon for heating fuel .. yikes!  If we had electric heat, I would use it instead of getting heating fuel.  The big old furnace is our only means of heat.  My son lives in San Diego and gas was going for close to $5.00 a gallon when I was there two weeks ago.

    Gumby .. Geez .. 400 gallons of heating fuel at one time.  Holy smokes .. I'd have to take out an equity loan to afford that.  It's not so bad here cause Tim is usually gone and I just keep the house a little cooler and turn the heat off at night.

    hugs,

    Bren

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited November 2012

    Wow - Jim Messina is saying that Obama appears to have won the majority of the Cuban-American vote in Florida. Very interesting.

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited November 2012

    Athena .. that surprises me that Obama would win the Cuban vote in Florida.  I have a very dear friend who is Cuban and she lives in Miami ... she is convinced that Obama is a communist and too much like Fidel.

  • alexandria58
    alexandria58 Member Posts: 1,588
    edited November 2012

    All I can say is none of those women know anyone who has actually survived on welfare.  I was a public defender for two years and my clients by definition had to be below the poverty line. Their paranoid fantasies of how good the poor have it are so devoid of reality that if it weren't so deadly serious for those actually poor, it would be funny.  I had clients living in cars because there wasn't enough low income housing.  I had clients who struggled to make sure that their families had food.  

    The only voter fraud in this election was commited by Republicans.  Republicans throwing out registration forms, Repulicans changing addresses on registration forms, Republicans sending out misinformation. 

    And the belief that the only reason people voted for Obama was because they wanted free stuff is also a convenient delusion.  My husband and I stand to pay more taxes if Obama keeps his promises because we're in that over 250,000 bracket and you know what, I'm glad to do it.  Because I believe in doing my part.  I can afford to pay more so that a family of four doesn't have to lose unemployment benefits or do without food because we're cutting food stamps.  I can afford to pay more so that some students can get grants to college. I am willing to pay more if we  can do something to slow global warming, which, by the way, is happening.  I am willing to do more because I believe in this country and I believe in helping those who need a hand. 

    Sorry.  Sometimes forget.  Don't let crazy people make you crazy.

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited November 2012

    A friend of mine lives totally on her capital gains.  Her tax rate could double under Obama, but she thinks it is ridiculous we do not have healthcare for all in this country.  She tells me voting for Obama could very well be against her own best interests, as most of my "rich" friends do because they inherently are not selfish self-serving people.   Who wants to live in a country of the haves and have nots, where the nots are sleeping in cars, not getting fed, clothed or any healthcare.  What kind of "society" is that?

  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited November 2012

    I bet many of us are old enough to remember Carny sideshow mirrors. Looking at them everything is distorted and disturbed.

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