I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited November 2012

    I too would have to applaud how Chris Christie has handled things while still feeling like if the storm had not intervened ( what a horrid way to bring it out ) he would have likely just kept on denouncing our President.  As it now appears -- he has the capacity to recognize when it is time to "get over it" and "get real" and do what you must for your fellow beings on this planet. Of course, you expect barbs for his "defection" and they have  come.  There is a lot of "blame" going around right now, especially toward Staten Island.  Well, isn't that a big help.....kick them when they are down. I hope and pray that all those who can't resist right now will recall their actions at this moment in time.  If God forbid, something should happen to you next.......how will you feel when you are told YOUR helping hand is at the end of your ARM.  No man is an island.....we all need help in some way, at some time.  Christie stepped up, no matter what he may have done in the past, the lesson in deep humility presented itself.  It is there for everyone to see and DIGEST.  I'm not planning on wasting what I have seen --- another good reason why I will be having an all Democratic ticket on Tuesday. 

    Jackie

  • alexandria58
    alexandria58 Member Posts: 1,588
    edited November 2012

    Latest NBC-Wall Street Journal poll has Obama up by 6 in Ohio and by 2 in Florida.

    http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/nbc-marist-wsj-obama-leads-by-6-in

    Just spent an hour listening to Chris Hayes and panel talking about global warming and the importance of electing a president who actually believes in science.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited November 2012

    Looks like  we are well out in front with an 85% chance to get our four more yrs. 

    Jackie

  • 208sandy
    208sandy Member Posts: 2,610
    edited November 2012

    E - thanks for wish "boring" for me next week.

    Athena - no plan until I meet next with MO in early December - they don't have a clue what they're dealing with right now (nor do I) - we've restarted the dreaded Arimidex.  This time around I am very, very weak and sleeping a lot (last time I was so sleep deprived I was dangerous) of course the se's change on this damned drug after you've been on them awhile so I'll just "one step at a time" it.  After that plan is to try various and sundry drugs up to and including Faslodex and then chemo but that is far in the future (I am hoping), meanwhile I am reading and watching PVR stuff (just watched all of season 2 of Downton Abbey) and also just getting on with my life - I just have to adjust my "getting ready" timeline - it takes me a good deal longer than the usual "out the door in under an hour" I have to rest in between everything I do and oh yes, I am having hot flashes again - haven't had them since menopause 15 years ago.

  • rosemary-b
    rosemary-b Member Posts: 2,006
    edited November 2012
  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited November 2012

    Sandy, we're all hanging with you, sweetums!

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited November 2012

    (((Sandy)))

    It used to take me three hours to get ready on Tamoxifen and Lupron, and on many days I could not even make it. Sometimes I had to rest in between the steps it took for me to make coffee in the morning. I used to laugh when I would read about how exercise could help with fatigue - you have to be able to get out of bed first!

    I would have to set the alarm for 5am to start the process of making coffee so that I would be able to drink it by 8 am. Putting the water in the coffee maker was one step. I would be so tired I had to take a nap before getting up to grind the coffee beans. Then I was too tired to pour the ground beans into the filter. I had to take another nap for that.

    These cancer meds are crazy.

    I hope the drug starts treating you better.

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited November 2012

    If you listened or watched Chris Christie's speech at the RNC, you had to notice he barely mentioned Robme's name.  I looked it up...a full 16 mintues before he mentioned Romney.  As I remember the speech, it was about Christie, growing up, his parents, etc.  It's probably a truism that you cannot be invited to the RNC and endorse the Democrat, but he did everything he could to do so.   He wasn't the only one that day that barely mentioned Robme in their addresses.  I think it was the book "Game Change" that described the universal dislike of Robme by his fellow Regressive candidates in 2008.  Based on a Vanity Fair article, Romney is not very personable - easily irritated.  His focus is his family, especially Ann - not outsiders.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2012

    Scoot/Enjoyful - congratulations on "clear" margins - radiation will zap the rest.  Happy Horse Riding.  Whew..., just whew....gotta stop or I'll go into a rant about how much I hate this disease..

    Kam - I know very little about life, but I know A LOT about being in my 6th year of Arimidex.  From your stats, esp. the Oncotype, we HAVE to keep you a Happy Camper on Arimidex Smile  The worst of the SE's, for some reason unknown to all my docs, but exactly correct, just like they knew to the DAY I'd lose my hair on chemotherapy, is the THREE MONTH mark - I had to stop taking it for 6 weeks.  When I started again, the worst was over.  Reason, WTFK's????  I mean seriously, really, who knows?

    My hands were so painful, numb, trigger thumbs & fingers, PAIN all over. I was unable to sleep, or literally use my hands without screaming pain ( trigger joints, had to use one hand to move the fingers on the other hand awful!) SO, I went to a physiotherapist who specializes in hands - got several treatments, and DID THE EXERCISES she gave me. WORE WRIST SPLINTS to sleep every night ( that was for about a year) & even sometimes during the day.  Exercises help, really.  Was almost painfree when I restarted Arimidex.  Still wore wrist splints to sleep - think that makes the BIGGEST difference in healing.

    THEN, Blue is gonna giggle, Neuropathy, probably left over from chemotherapy, earlier major back surgery 1983, being a member of the A Team - so ACUPUNCTURE.  Took about 6 sessions, neuropathy eased, I could feel my toes again ( still can't dance, but couldn't before) and the energy started increasing in my legs, shoulders got wiggly lose, as in AHhhhhhhhhh...this feels GOOOOOD wiggly lose.  Now just go once a month, "Maintenance" and it and full body massage by a woman trained by Tracy Walton ( Boston, MA) but she's trained women now working all over the country - I call this massage therapist & my acupuncturist, The Bookends of My Well Being.

    IS IT 11/7 yet????  I am SO ready for this election to be over. Wonder how long for the counting? Crossroads America is even pushing TV ads in Western MA - they must have $$$$ to burn - ain't gonna make a hoot of differene here, except help GOTV for OUR President and ELIZABETH.

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited November 2012

    Kam, I think Robme is uniquely temperamentally UNFIT for office. Don't think we have to worry about it, but I believe Ann would basically run the government if he were elected. He just wants to get to the political pinnacle because that was his father's dream, IMO. Once there, I believe he would just check out.

    E, praying for good results on the rest of your pathology results. Sandy, I feel tired on Aromasin, but nothing like you and Athena describe. I'm quite creaky in the morning, but can work through it after a couple of hours. Thank goodness I retired the year before getting bc. Seriously can't imagine going to a full time job at this point.

  • 208sandy
    208sandy Member Posts: 2,610
    edited November 2012

    Thanks Rosemary and Lindasa - oh Athena you made me laugh - I am not resting in between the coffee making steps but pretty close - I am just usually so active it's making me crazy but Sunflowers may be on to something - I went off Arimidex almost two years ago and this time the symptoms are different and not as bad I guess - the pain thing last time nearly did me in, so did the sleeplessness but now that I have access to better drugs (I have a PCP that listens!!!) I am not as worried about the se's except the weakness - seeing my PCP in two weeks and I'll see if there is something to help.

    Hope everyone is having a great weekend - I am SO looking forward to next Wednesday (we'll all be stress free!!! and probably bored).

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited November 2012

    Sun- I think you just gave me the best medicine there is - hope.  I can work through anything if i know it is temporary.  Three months on these things will be the day I see my MO - great timing!  I hope she knows about the three month mark.  My walk in the woods yesterday, after taking the pill, seemed to mitigate the symptoms I might have had if they repeated from the day before.   I went from the worst day ever on exemestane (Thursday) to the best day ever (Friday). Likewise, yesterday, was the first day my feet didn't burn so bad I could barely walk from the PN.  Something changed yesterday....hope it sticks!

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited November 2012

    Kam, so glad to read you're doing better! My days with this drug go up and down. Today I am feeling very tired, but it may be because I have been doing more than usual for the last 3 days, and today is the same. Feeling like I need a good rest to recover.

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited November 2012

    Sandy - my story was dead serious. It was pure hell. I hope the rest of you are luckier.

    I think lionesses and estrogen suppression do not work well together. :-)

    Rumors are already circulating about what Paul Ryan will do - now that he isn't going to the White House.

    Romney should retire to the Cayman Islands and run conferences there on how to off-shore your money.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited November 2012

    Re Christie, like I said, I don't know much about him or his actual politics. I thought he did well with the storm business. There was also an incident a while back when he defended a Muslim appointee, forcefully so and using the exact right arguments. He gives me the impression that he is at least not a toadie, nor a toad, even if he does resemble one a bit just physically.

  • AnneW
    AnneW Member Posts: 4,050
    edited November 2012

    If I were still on AIs and having that much pain, I have no doubt I'd be high-tailing it to my corner medical marijuana shop.

    Ninja-E, hang in there. And everyone who needs a boring week coming up. We'll have enough stress with the election. I feel kinda like the little girl from up the road whose video has gone viral: crying "I'm tired of Bronco Bama and Mitt Romney!" The ads are overwhelming, as I live in a swing state.

    But, not tired enough to try to get the word out. A few more days, my friends. I'm scared about the election being stolen. Regressive rethugs will do ANYthing to win. As we know from the past.

    Have a great weekend!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2012

    Sandy, Kam, and all others on the A Team

    The next HUGE HUGE HUGE change for me was, well, food.  I went GLUTEN FREE ( had been tested, no celiac) after a friend who does have celiac disease big time told me her doctor said he was having success with OSTEO Arthritis patients who were sick of  SE's of strong pain medication they were taking - by putting them on a gluten free diet - dramatically reduced their joint pain.

    That's all I needed to hear - went gluten free, and within 2 weeks, went from about 10 ibeprofen a day to none, nada, zilch.  No. More. Joint. Pain.  Still a bit stiff if I sit in one place for a long time ( like 3 hours in a painting class if I forget to get up & walk around the room) - but fine once I get moving.

    The more scientific amongst us will know WHEAT being grown & consumed has MUCH MORE gluten than it did 25 years ago.  Major difference.

    Then, I went dairy free - and lost more than 10 lbs of bloat.  I swear, took about a month, but no other change in diet.  I had already stopped cheese, never drink milk ( like Alexandria, lactose intolerent) don't even miss the greek yogurt.  Can wear my regular ( old sized) rings again.  Cringe when I see ads for "good yogurt" to help us "stay strong."  Yeah, right...

    If anyone is interested - Mark Bittman wrote a FABULOUS article for the Sunday New York Times Review a few weeks ago, about how he cured almost a lifetime of "tummy troubles" by stopping all milk products.  Amazingly positive response, so her added more info the next week.

    KAM - "Ya gotta have Hope, Miles & Miles & Miles of Hope" what play is that from? I really believe SE's of the AI's can be managed.  Definitely not my frist choice of what I'd rather be doing, but I do it. I am blessed to have managed Depresssion b4 bc, blessed.  So I can't speak to comorbidity.  I wasn't willing to stop antidepressant I take so that I could take  Tamoxifen my doc wanted to start me on b4 the AI.  Spoke with excellent psychopharmacologist at Harvard Medical School, wonderful woman, and she GOT IT.  I know others can take Effexor, I can't.  Don't know about Celexa, but I just wasn't willing to let go of the stability I'd developed after years on one medication.

    Who was it who always said: "Are we having fun yet?"  Think it was Otter - where is Otter????????

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2012

    Anne - I too fear the "stolen" election, ala the 'hanging chads' and recount stopped, and the SCOTUS taking over. But, feel a certain sense of comfort, thinking of someone just TRYING to get one over on the Team from Chicago, in any fight, I'd put My Money on the 2 Davids and 1 Rahm....

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited November 2012

    My experience with tamoxifen was far worse than the arimidex.  I too found that the worst of the aches and pains diminshed around the 5 month mark.  But it was the restriction of gluten and dairy that really made a huge difference for me.  Staying away from the inflammatory foods is also recommended.

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited November 2012

    Interestingly, I had no pain at all - just about every other SE, though. I think the mega doses of Vitamin D3 may have helped.

    Permission to rant:

    I hate narrowminded people.

    Thank you for listening to my rant. Smile

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited November 2012

    Athena - me too!

    As for a stolen election:  One thing to remember is that (as Sunny said) the powers-that-be on the Obama campaign are totally aware -- as is much of the public, I think -- of the widespread incidents of GOP dirty tricks and election-stealing attempts, including voter suppression.  There is no way the Democrats will roll over and play dead this time.  The internet is such a huge factor in this election (as it most definitely was not in 2000 and 2004).  Aside from the folks who will be voting against their own interests (there's no help for them, the stupid will always be with us) there are enough sane and informed folks who are ready and willing to stand up and fight for fairness in this election.

    And in case I'm wrong (hardly ever!!!!) you can come and live with me on the universal healthcare side of the Niagara River!Kiss

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited November 2012

    Speaking of regressive thugs trying dirty tricks to steal the election, here is more on the voter registration fraud/suppression in Virginia.  It seems the little string attached to that criminal who threw away those voter registration forms behind a Tuesday Morning store in Harrisonburg, VA has a string attached to him that leads ... further up the food chain.  And this is the one that Virginia's knuckle-dragging regressive Kook-ee-nelli (our alleged Attorney General Cuccinelli) wasn't going to investigate:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/decision2012/virginia-voter-fraud-case-expands-to-focus-on-gop-firm/2012/11/02/76285252-24eb-11e2-ac85-e669876c6a24_story.html?hpid=z3

    Pull quote: "A former employee of Strategic Allied Consulting, a contractor for the Republican Party of Virginia, had been scheduled to appear last Tuesday before a grand jury after he was charged with tossing completed registration forms into a recycling bin. But state prosecutors canceled Colin Small’s grand jury testimony to gather more information, with their focus expanding to the firm that had employed Small, which is led by longtime GOP operative Nathan Sproul."

    (((((Sandy))))) Thinking about you all the time ... impatiently waiting with you to see what The Plan is!

    E, YIPPEE SKIPPEE!  Clear margins, albeit small, are what we were looking for.  Ninja-cancer-woman indeed! 

    Linda, be careful with your invites -- you may have a tent city in your backyard if the regressives succeed in stealing the election by fraud!  I have actually wandered around the Immigration Canada website just to take a look-see.

    Athena, I do too. 

    Chris Christie ... he is a bully and a knuckle-dragger, but he has risen to this occasion magnificently.  I cannot like the man, but I deeply respect his passion and commitment to doing his best for the people of New Jersey -- and unlike his regressive brethren, he seems to get that it is ALL about the people and ONLY about the people.  That is refreshing to see coming from a regressive.

    L

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited November 2012

    Oh, and one more thing:

    http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/11/03/nov-2-for-romney-to-win-state-polls-must-be-statistically-biased/

    The 538: "Yes, of course: most of the arguments that the polls are necessarily biased against Mr. Romney reflect little more than wishful thinking.

    Nevertheless, these arguments are potentially more intellectually coherent than the ones that propose that the race is “too close to call.” It isn’t. If the state polls are right, then Mr. Obama will win the Electoral College. If you can’t acknowledge that after a day when Mr. Obama leads 19 out of 20 swing-state polls, then you should abandon the pretense that your goal is to inform rather than entertain the public."

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited November 2012

    Democrats always look north to our lovely Canadian neighbors when we lose an election.  Where oh where will the Republicans look to when they lose?  I suppose it will be to a very conservative and religious country that loves oil and represses women.  Yep, they will look to Saudi Arabia. 

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited November 2012

    Notself -- Hm, possibly.  My guess is that many of them will be praying for the Apocalypse......Frown

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited November 2012

    Last two posts.....very good.I'm somewhere right in the middle of you on plausibility.  HL, I read that piece you so kindly put in and agree with it of course....but then I'm so deeply left.   There was a time, long time ago now, that I was not --- I didn't really want to be identified in any way.  You can only get by so long working that way.  Justice, equality, understanding, empathy, and many other things that to me raise the bar a lot closer to where it should be, forced me to take a stand for what I believed.  I look back to my decisions without one second of regret.  Especially so, in this election with the choice that was provided me, I find it easy to reach for the one who embodies what I hold dear. 

    Jackie

  • alexandria58
    alexandria58 Member Posts: 1,588
    edited November 2012

    Happy anticipation dance!

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited November 2012

    Well, notself, I think the ones who want limited (or no) government, free and untrammelled ownership of weapons, freedom to do whatever they please, no taxes and subjugation of women would fit right into the environment in lovely Somalia.  Seems to be their chunk of khat, so to speak.

    Innocent

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited November 2012

    Somalia might be a solution.  It has no health care, no pesky regulations, no teachers unions because it has no teachers, and it, too, suppresses women.

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited November 2012

    And here is one Republican family's story about why they are voting for President Obama.  It can happen to anyone.  In another form, it happened to all of us.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNu0Q57tz0c

    L

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