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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited November 2012

    Lets hear it for the Chrysler V.P.  Hope the Trump will now go back under his rock and stay there. 

    Jackie

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  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited November 2012

    Athena, I completely agree with your post about fascism. All their positions and plans meet the classic definition. DH keeps telling me that everyone who gets to be our ages thinks that the world is going to hell ... But that in our case, it just might indeed be going to hell. Makes you wonder. I shake my head at the idea that any single soul in Ohio would vote for Robme, but ... I know people who will march off to the polls and happily push that button. It is just incomprehensible. Stockholm syndrome?



    L

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  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited November 2012

    Lol! Now he is pissing off GM. What twits the Romney campaign people are:

    http://www.freep.com/article/20121030/BUSINESS01/121030036/GM-calls-latest-Romney-auto-ad-politics-at-its-cynical-worst-?odyssey=tab|mostpopular|text|BUSINESS0103

    Excerpt:

    Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney has broadened his attack on President Barack Obama’s auto industry restructuring, implying that General Motors used the aid to hire more workers in China than in the U.S.

    “Barack Obama says he saved the auto industry. But for who? Ohio or China?” says the narrator in a radio spot running in Ohio. “Under President Obama, GM cut 15,000 American jobs, but they are planning to double the number of cars built in China, which means 15,000 more jobs for China. And now comes word that Chrysler plans to start making Jeeps in, you guessed it, China.”

    GM quickly defended its performance.

    “We've clearly entered some parallel universe during these last few days,” GM spokesman Greg Martin said. “No amount of campaign politics at its cynical worst will diminish our record of creating jobs in the U.S. and repatriating profits back to this country.”

    Oh, Mitt. You are too tone deaf to win this election.

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  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited November 2012

    It seems that the only reason Mitt had a 'surge' in the polls was because Pres Obama slept through the first debate.  It will be interesting if we ever hear the real story about where he was that evening.

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  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited November 2012

    I don't know, HL. I think it's the "it doesn't happen here" syndrome. Fascism is believe to be something you read about in Europe or Argentina a long time ago.

    But this country is full of fascists in government. They and their enablers, such as Rush Limbaugh and the people who preach at churches and agree with them have the privilege of speaking freely because of the democratic guarantees that the lefties they despise offer them. But if they were in power we would all be silenced.

    I have studied history too long not to be very afraid. Clowns like Trump are a comic relief, but they represent the utter lack of respect for truth and faitrness that fascist regimes depend upon.

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  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited November 2012

    And I would like to add in all honesty:

    The unequal distribution of wealth has worsened under Obama. Obama too has been naive in failing to recognize the fascism around us. He must be bolder in his second term and stand up for the ideas of liberty, equality and fraternity that we inherited from Old Europe (just thought I'd take a swipe at that socioipath Rumsfeld). He must enact more progressive taxation, increase oversight of the financial system and ensure that the ACA really does lead to more insurance for all.

    Americans have got to stop taking what they think this country is for granted. There is a very dangerous growing current. It has been growing since 1980 and today, a major candidate can say what lies he pleases and get votes. Something is wrong with our society when that is possible. It means not just that education is bad but that we have lost sight of certain values of fairness and decency which would have made such calumnies unfathomable in times past.

    Fascism proclaims public values and tramples over the individual. It makes up stories and re-writes the world to fit into its ideas. If we don't see it, we are blind.

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  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited November 2012

    And HL: I'm telling my goat herder to take the night off. I'm confident that our deleters are too ill-read to understand what the heck we are talking about! More's the pity. Cool

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  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited November 2012

    LOL Athena.  You are so correct.  My parents lived during Mussolini and he had the whole Country bamboozled.  History has a way of repeating itself. 

    My poor brain cells have downloaded and have stopped uploading.  hahahaha 

    ETA - if you want a good movie to watch, Seven Beauties, is of that time period.  Excellent!

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  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited November 2012

    First Disaster Photo from Hurricane Sandy!

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  • CherrylH
    CherrylH Member Posts: 1,077
    edited November 2012

    Love it, Chick!!

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  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited November 2012

    Alexandria - great news!!!

    I went back to bed and slept for a couple of hours - now I feel better. Miss Poppy was in our bedroom waiting for me to wake up.

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  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited November 2012

    Hey? Where's that GW Bush...Bush 43?  Don't all former Presidents campaign for their Party's nominee?  I mean, Clinton is out there on the campaign trail.  Uh, where the heck is George?

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  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited November 2012

    I think someone suggested he would better serve the cause if he stayed on the ranch in Crawford and tended his longhorns. Persona non grata in the regressive ranks.

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  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited November 2012

    Pip - I've heard some people say that he and Michelle probably "celebrated" their anniversary beforehand, and he was too relaxed and laid back...  Kiss

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  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited November 2012

    Chickadee - I did hear Bush 43 was in the Cayman Islands today.....something about speaking at a conference on how to invest your money, ... there.  Top secret stuff.  Good timing George!  Aircraft carrier like stuff.  Backfire Laughing

    Who the heck is Paul Otellini?? Foot in Mouth  I'm sure glad Barack Obama got two of the most anticpated endorsements of the political season - Colin Powell and Michael Bloomberg - both Republicans, no less.  That with several nice remarks from Chris Christie, I'd say the more moderate Republicans can't stand their current nominee.  They value their own reputations over becoming this guy's dupe.

    Athena - interesting article on the highest marginal tax rates and how the GOP wanted to suppress that report.  Do they have no shame?  They sure don't like any facts interfering with their agenda to fill the pockets of the rich.... CEOs, etc.  Oh...that's who Paul Otellini is...one of those rich Republican CEO's who stands to get huge tax breaks with Mitt Robme.  Yeah, hmmm, that's an endorsement I was biting my nails over.

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  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited November 2012

    RM - jobs report tomorrow 830 am Eastern.  She predicts:

    "If good, good for POTUS reelection, good for country, right will deny the report is true."

    "If not good, the Right will be all over the POTUS for having a bad number."

    It's a fairly easy algorithm, actually.

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  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited November 2012

    http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN/

    Watching Live Obama event in Boulder, CO

    Is our resident Boulderite there?

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  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited November 2012

    I saw that Kam.

    In what kind of a country is that possible???? Even a few years ago that would have been unthinkable here.

    I repeat what I said above. In fascism, ideology always trumps facts.

    What values are we imparting to our children when it is ok to say a government lies just because the president is black (though the fascists will never admit the president's race as the reason).

    Meanwhile, the Bush administration really did cook the facts and the media swallowed it whole. For example, its politicos deflated the estimate of the cost of the prescription drug law. For example, they made us go to war cooking up the tale that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction.

    But Bush was white, so he got away with lying (and democrats were chickens). Obma is black so he can't get away with telling the truth....

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  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited November 2012

    Kam, aren't the Caymans one of those places you park your millions so Uncle Sam can't tax it?

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  • alexandria58
    alexandria58 Member Posts: 1,588
    edited November 2012

    I have POWER!! LIGHTS!! ELECTRICITY!! And MY COMPUTER!!

    Just a few days of this, and honestly makes me appreciate just how good I have it compared to so many others in this country and in the world.

    Anyway celebrating power and boring report by going to bed.  Was up all night.  I will catch up on Rachel and Lawrence tomorrow.  Can't wait!!

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  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited November 2012

    Wonderful Sandy! I've been in that situation. Civilization feels wonderful.

    Rachel Maddow noting that while Clinton is campaigning for his fellow democrat, Bush is in the Cayman Islands NOT campaigning for Romney (thought arguably furthering Romney's financial interests). Bush spoke at a financial conference. Press blackout - as usual.

    Again, the truth is always shielded.

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  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited November 2012

    Congrats on power - it does feel good, starting with a warm shower.

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  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited November 2012

    Oh congratulations, Alexandria!!!  Electricity is NICE!

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  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited November 2012

    Next year, Romney will have plenty of time to go give a lecture on how to hide money in the Caymen Islands.

    Watching Obama on C-Span. I think, but not sure, there will be a call-in afterwards.  Those call-ins can be depressing, but also revealing.

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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited November 2012

    Thank you Kam for Pres. Obama - C-span.

    Alexandria...I am so, so pleased.  A couple of yrs. ago we were w/o power for about 6 days.  It was horrid and I wrote what I wrote earlier with strong hope but no big expectation.  I am very happy for you.  I hope so many of the rest will not have to go too much longer either.

    Kam....yes, next Romney can go visit his money far away from here. 

    Jackie

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  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited November 2012

    Katie bar the door!!  Romney will allow a "newsperson" from ESPN to ask him a few questions on Monday Night Football halftime.

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  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited November 2012

    Maybe colonoscopies will be a thing of the past, although I can still see the need to identify exactly where the cancer is located.

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-11-02/researchers-develop-blood-test-for-bowel-cancer/4349474

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  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited November 2012

    The Economist, a highly respected magazine, has endorsed President Obama on economic grounds.

    http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21565623-america-could-do-better-barack-obama-sadly-mitt-romney-does-not-fit-bill-which-one

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  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited November 2012

    Congratulations, Alexandria! We were without power for four days after the derecho in the summer -- it is a miserable experience! Enjoy all the mod cons!



    L

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  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited November 2012

    Suzy, what great news. I simply can't fathom having an enema, so I am dreading getting scoped and they are going to want to do it in a year or two. Apparently they also often have you wide awake for the procedure here.

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