I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2012

    HL - thank you.  I saw a picture of a New York City "stoop" ( stairs to the read of you guys!) with a super volt orange ( garden kind) of exptension cord running down the steps, folks sitting around drinking coffee & charging their phones.  Warms the heart, honestly.

    FRONT PAGE FOR US, linda - lovely picture...Chris Christie gets a hug if I ever meet him.  No care what his "motives" - he did the right thing, and gave ALL THE CREDIT to FEMA & the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, ok Prez too.

    River rat I love your jumpies - they jump on my poweremac/firefox...very cheery little characters.

    OK - Nate ( poblano to you ole DKossers) Silver has OUR PRESIDENT over 300 Electoral votes....(jumpy critter here)

    Colon Polyps - after my surgery for colon cancer a million years ago ( which is what it feels like) I sent every year for 3 years, then every 2 years, now every 3.  BTW, it is a villous ( usually) adenoma polyp which becomes cancerous.  USUALLY very slow growing, there are other kinds of benign polyps in colon which do NOT become cancerous.  But, most of the adenomas do, eventually.  If there is history of colon cancer in family, my docs said test EVERYONE by age 35 - that included niece, nephew from the maternal side ( my mom had colon cancere too.)

    Relation between colon cancer & bc, wouldn't surprise me, tho I'm the only one in my family with bc.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2012

    What Athena said, & if anyone was mocking me, I wouldn't know it or care...he is a genuinely GOOD human being.

    A Mensch....Smile

  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited November 2012

    I don't usually like Michael Moore's stuff and I don't know if anyone's posted this, so I apologize if it's already been posted. I believe it's a collaboration between Moore and Move-On and pretty funny:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f17fWth3YgA&feature=player_embedded

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited November 2012

    I like this analysis of Nate Silver's work:

    Silver Snake - How one blogger enrages people with truth

    <snip>

    Though some people argue Silver’s liberal alliance could sway the results, because almost everything points toward an Obama victory, his analysis must be skewed.

    “Silver is currently saying that in some scenarios, Obama will win and in some scenarios Romney will win, and the first batch of scenarios outnumber the second batch of scenarios by about 3 to 1,” said Joel Achenbach, also of The Washington Post.

    However, Silver’s “FiveThirtyEight” blog leaves a market for someone on the other side. Why not create a conservative-leaning blog that interprets the same polls? People on the other side of the aisle could feel secure hearing information from a source they trust.

    A popular definition of insanity, however, is trying the same thing repeatedly and expecting different results. If you analyze the same polls, you’re still working with the same numbers.

    Silver runs his data analysis based on his work with baseball’s sabermetrics (like the movie “Moneyball”). Silver wrote “Baseball and politics are data-driven,” according to a 2008 Newsweek article before that year’s presidential election. “But a lot of the time, that data might be used badly. In baseball, that may mean looking at a statistic like batting average when things like on-base percentage and slugging percentage are far more correlated with winning ballgames. In politics, that might mean cherry-picking a certain polling result.”

    People, essentially, need to calm down and accept what service Silver is providing.

    <snip>

    http://www.alligator.org/opinion/editorials/article_65dfc496-23cb-11e2-a127-0019bb2963f4.html

  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited November 2012

    Nate Silver was attacked by liberals last go-around.  Nobody wanted to believe him in 2010.  As far as ole timers. I was at DK more than 3 years before poblano and he wasn't always treated well there either.  Heck poblano left Daily Kos after his 2009 diary supporting the Senate Health bill as the best that we were going to get. 

    His last diary without seeing the comments:

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/15/814389/-Opposing-the-Senate-Bill-is-Batflippin-Crazy-UPDATED?detail=hide

    His last diary with the comments (Warning there are 913 comments.  I supported his position but didn't speak out because it was very heated in there)

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/12/15/814389/-Opposing-the-Senate-Bill-is-Batflippin-Crazy-UPDATED#comments

    Edited to add: On looking back he did make a couple of comments in diaries after his last diary.  I always thought he left because of his diary but maybe he was just too busy with his site - this was before the NYT picked it up.

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited November 2012

    "loved that Bloomberg said, thanks but no thanks"  (re: Sandy)

    Hee Hee

    16 minutes ago:

    Michael Bloomberg Endorses Obama For Re-Election

    New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg endorsed President Barack Obama for re-election on Thursday, Bloomberg TV reported and The Huffington Post confirmed.

    The mayor, an Independent, did not endorse a candidate in the 2008 election and hadn't seem poised to do so this time around as well. But he said in an op-ed published on his website, that his eagerness to see action on climate change legislation persuaded him to back a second term for the president. He also explained that while he admired Mitt Romney, there were a number of social issues that gave him pause.

    I believe Mitt Romney is a good and decent man, and he would bring valuable business experience to the Oval Office. He understands that America was built on the promise of equal opportunity, not equal results. In the past he has also taken sensible positions on immigration, illegal guns, abortion rights and health care. But he has reversed course on all of them, and is even running against the health-care model he signed into law in Massachusetts.

    If the 1994 or 2003 version of Mitt Romney were running for president, I may well have voted for him because, like so many other independents, I have found the past four years to be, in a word, disappointing.

    Bloomberg's endorsement was one of the few remaining of any political significance in the presidential race, and it remains to be seen whether it comes too late in the cycle to make a difference. The mayor won't be on the stump for the president, owing to the massive cleanup job he must now oversee in the wake of Hurricane Sandy. But it appears that the storm itself prompted him to offer up his support for the president.

    "The devastation that Hurricane Sandy brought to New York City and much of the Northeast – in lost lives, lost homes and lost business – brought the stakes of Tuesday’s presidential election into sharp relief," he said.

    His endorsement seems likely to dominate the few remaining media cycles in the presidential race, if only for its unexpectedness. Just a week ago, Bloomberg had been highly critical of both Obama and Romney in an interview with the New York Times.

    President Barack Obama said he was honored to have the endorsement. "While we may not agree on every issue, Mayor Bloomberg and I agree on the most important issues of our time -- that the key to a strong economy is investing in the skills and education of our people, that immigration reform is essential to an open and dynamic democracy, and that climate change is a threat to our children's future, and we owe it to them to do something about it," he said in a statement. "Just as importantly, we agree that whether we are Democrats, Republicans, or independents, there is only one way to solve these challenges and move forward as a nation -- together."

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited November 2012

    Thanks for your concern girls, but I know first hand the whole bowel cancer thing. Steve is a stage IV survivor. It's really weird, he has never had another polyp since they first found the cancer. 10 years on and he's still here.

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited November 2012

    Suzie - not trying to convince you about anything, but really really curious.  I see you were grade 3, her2+, so you must have had chemo?  Doesn't the idea of having chemo again, even if just a chance, seem far worse than doing 1 day of prep?  I am so the opposite of you, I guess. I never never never want to go through any of this again and if there is a test out there to forstall that, sign me up! 

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited November 2012

    Kam - the chemo for bowel cancer is horrible, you may not lose your hair, but you have to be attached to an automatic dispenser for 3 days. I will never forget the sound of the bloody thing dispensing chemo to Steve every few minutes. Also oxaliplatin (one of the drugs) made Steve SO sick he had to hospitalised for every treatment.

    I don't have any symptoms, I was just thinking I should have a colonoscopy since I had never had one.

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited November 2012

    suzie - I must have confused you with someone that said they would never do the prep?

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited November 2012

    I probably did say that - after watching Steve have many, it really put me off.

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited November 2012

    Steve's gone off for a weeknd of golf. I am not going to work - too little sleep last night. In fact I should go back to bed now.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited November 2012

    Coming in after work for my breath of fresh air.  I was able to hear about the Bloomberg endorsement before I left work and was stunned, but thrilled.  I think it may be a bit late....but then again, you never know. 

    I probably will not sneak over to the neighbors place as ( like someone said ) any time now it will start. Heck Libya is still cropping up with an idiotic frequency after we all explained how diplomats and our foreign service office and officers work.  Talk about thick as a brick, but then part is.......once you  know the real truth, you have to be responsible for it.  So much better to stay in denial so you can go on with your rather childish but fairly indefensible antics......as though they might get you somewhere.  That way all the rest of your pals will consider you brillant and on the team. 

    So, just not to be outdone and to be transparently clear.....I'm thrilled with my President and think his care and compassion is simply the best.  More than ever I feel the huge lack of momentum and as well the horrendous gaffes are sinking Robme as we speak.  He might have done something realistic with a platform he could have picked and stayed with....but he was going to be all things to everyone....well, a lot of "his" kind anyway.....but on the way to get the votes to do so, he tried on every pair of shoes there....and they didn't fit.  He's a desperate, desperate man.

    Jackie

    spell checker on the blink again. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited November 2012

    Jackie, happy fresh air ;-)  and DO NOT read this linky - it will make you sick, furious, and sad.

    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/10/31/173269/bishop-orders-priests-to-read.html

    I stil remember President Kennedy speaking on his Faith, and remember being so proud of our country.  The above is sickening, really, maybe a good thing notself is busy these days, this would send her 'round-the-bnd'

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited November 2012

    What a disgrace!

  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited November 2012

    Man oh man - I've said for years that I'll never have a colonoscopy.  I had a sigmoidoscopy and it was completely and totally clear.  Hubby had a colonoscopy and suffered terribly for almost 2 years afterwards with IBS (that he NEVER had prior to the colonoscopy).  But you ladies are making me nervous.  Maybe I'll have to rethink my position

  • Chevyboy
    Chevyboy Member Posts: 10,786
    edited November 2012
    This article was in our morning paper!

     

    Posted October 31, 2012, 5:02 pm

    Picking a president: Barack Obama vs. Mitt Romney (5 letters)

    Re: “Readers respond to The Denver Post’s endorsement of Barack Obama,” Oct. 28 letters to the editor.

    I read in Sunday’s paper that the letters damning your endorsement of President Obama far outweigh those embracing it. I suppose this is predictable, as the voices of those condemning his efforts to right the course of the country, despite all the roadblocks the Republicans in Congress have thrown in his path, have always been far louder than the voices of those who understand that things are slowly but surely getting better.

    Let me add my voice to those few who wrote to say thank you. Thank you for an endorsement that recognizes that President Obama has done his level best to lead us out of the mess we were in when he took office. And thank you also for recognizing the emptiness of the Romney/Ryan “promise.” I’m one voter who hasn’t forgotten the grave mistakes and breathtaking hubris of the last Republican administration, and I’m loath to go back there.

    Kathleen Corbett, Denver

    This letter was published in the Nov. 1 edition.


    There was one dominant theme to the letters objecting to The Post’s endorsement of President Obama — he has failed to deliver. That is a superficial assessment.

    Four years ago, Rush Limbaugh and Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell, in moments of rare candor, announced the Republican agenda. They promised to do everything they could to make Obama fail.

    Obama and Speaker John Boehner reached a “grand bargain” that would have restored fiscal sanity. House Republicans rejected it. Obama has offered numerous economic stimulus and job creation proposals. Republicans have killed all of them except the first one.

    Over the last four years, Republicans have consistently put politics ahead of country in hopes of making President Obama look bad, thereby making it easier to prevent his re-election. Do you want to reward such unpatriotic behavior by supporting Republican candidates in this election?

    Paul Weis, Loveland


    Of course there were other letters too...There are always different opinions, but I liked these thoughts....The whole thing is..... How can any President try and pass any bills, with the opposite party playing his party against another?  The Commander in Chief will ALWAYS be fighting an up-hill battle, with people of the opposite party....  !  Why can't we voters take over the votes of the Congress?  The party lines make it almost impossible!  It's like tying the Presidents hands!

  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited November 2012

    The last time we went to church was just prior to the 2008 election when the priest started talking about how people should vote.  My husband got so angry we almost got up and left.  I still wish we had.

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited November 2012

    I didn't go round the bend because my entire family is RC. I know there is no convincing the devout.  Adolf Hitler could be running with Stalin as his running mate and as long as they said they were pro-life, my sister and her family would vote for them.  Nothing else matters in their world.

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited November 2012

    There you are, Notself!

    Agreed. I think I will pass up Sun's link. No need to hear more dirt.

    GG - that priest should have been reported to the authorities. Incredible how the church always thinks it is above the law. It can rape boys, preach politics and Joseph Ratzinger, who can kiss my arse, will say nothing. Just don't make love to the man you love without being married. Same with many nutso protestant preachers.

    Our Esteemed Pastor ---and many other wonderful people-- are most obviously exempt from my statements.

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited November 2012

    Headline of the day from The Huff Post:

    GOP TO FACTS: DROP DEAD

    The New York Times reported on Thursday that Senate Republicans applied pressure to the nonpartisan Congressional Research Service (CRS) in September, successfully persuading it to withdraw a report finding that lowering marginal tax rates for the wealthiest Americans had no effect on economic growth or job creation.

    "The pressure applied to the research service comes amid a broader Republican effort to raise questions about research and statistics that were once trusted as nonpartisan and apolitical," the Times reported. Democrats in Congress, however, have resurfaced the report and published it in full. It can be read below.

    Republicans told the Times they had issues with the tone, wording and scope of the report, but they clearly objected most strongly to its findings, which undermine the governing fiscal philosophy of the party, that tax cuts for the wealthy will spur growth and benefit everybody.

    GOP officials told The Times that the decision by the CRS came after a cooperative discussion, but Democrats have suggested that the move is part of a broader effort by Republicans to squelch legitimate research that runs counter to their economic principles.

    The CRS report, by researcher Thomas Hungerford, concluded:

    The results of the analysis suggest that changes over the past 65 years in the top marginal tax rate and the top capital gains tax rate do not appear correlated with economic growth. The reduction in the top tax rates appears to be uncorrelated with saving, investment, and productivity growth. The top tax rates appear to have little or no relation to the size of the economic pie.

    However, the top tax rate reductions appear to be associated with the increasing concentration of income at the top of the income distribution. As measured by IRS data, the share of income accruing to the top 0.1% of U.S. families increased from 4.2% in 1945 to 12.3% by 2007 before falling to 9.2% due to the 2007-2009 recession. At the same time, the average tax rate paid by the top 0.1% fell from over 50% in 1945 to about 25% in 2009. Tax policy could have a relation to how the economic pie is sliced—lower top tax rates may be associated with greater income disparities.

  • alexandria58
    alexandria58 Member Posts: 1,588
    edited November 2012

    Hi. just back from the colonoscopy

     The doc doing a biopsy to check the possibility of microscopic colitis but otherwise i have boring ibs and possible lactosr intolerance.  Just love boring. now back in the boring and cold dark house but much better tonight.

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited November 2012

    Congrats Alexandria! The best thing for me after these procedures is FOOD!!!

  • alexandria58
    alexandria58 Member Posts: 1,588
    edited November 2012
  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited November 2012
  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited November 2012

    GREAT, Alexandria! Boring is GOOD, even in a cold, dark house! Now, I hope you can find a warm, lighted restaurant and celebrate a little!



    Athena, I saw that same article too. Smells like a banana republic, doesn't it? Or Stalinist Soviet Union - just suppress any information that doesn't support your worldview. I was reading it to DH, and we talked about what the regressives could possibly hope to achieve by widening the income and wealth disparity in this country. We came to the conclusion that they only care about what happens to them -- not even their children and grandchildren -- just them, with money to eat steak dinners at The Palm and drive Rolls Royces. And DH reminded me, as has so often, that this is the stuff of which revolutions are made. The poor will get so poor that they have nothing left to lose. When you see your children cry from hunger and die from treatable diseases, what do you have left to lose? What do you have left to do? Especially when they are working overtime to disenfranchise the poor.



    L

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited November 2012

    Alexandria....power to you and I hope soon to your house.  I'm so so glad you are boring. 

    Athena.....I have always wondered ( don't mean to offend anyone here ) just how these dumb old men  "priests "  figure out that their parishioners are so good with the rhythm method.  Also, if any of them are realistic today they are well aware that women pay scant attention.  The religious boogy-man who sends you to your "destiny" is long gone.  Run out a long time back.  I do believe people derive much benefit from their faiths...whatever they may be.  As it says....when ever two or more are gathered  in my name.....but times have changed.  The Bible has been rewritten many times over with the result that most religion is no longer fear -based.  Still though, there are those that think they HAVE to lead you because you just won't know how to handle yourself.  They think if you don't know hundreds of scriptures and have your nose in a Bible most of the time your doomed.  Yeah !!!!  Right. 

    Jackie

    I have such a rotten spell checker

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited November 2012

    HL: I sometimes fear that we are fighting to preserve democracy.

    Conservatives pretend to fight for freedom, but they support all the elements of oppression: disinformation, re-information, re-education, separation.

    I strive to see any difference between today's conservative agenda and that of Mussolini's Italy.

    Americans don't know what it is like to live in oppression, so they can't recognize that a class of people is trying to take away their freedoms while purporting to fight for them.

    Conservatives want to take away a woman's freedom to make decisions about her body, even when it has been violated. But they insist on ramming guns down our throats. They would take away a person's freedom to love someone of the same sex. Conservatives do not believe in the free flow of ideas and knowledge; otherwise they would not try to suppress information or invent lies, or deny scientific fact. They would not deny global warming, Keynesian economics and the truth about Obama's birthplace. Conservatives want to control our schools by forcing people to worship their definition of God. Conservatives want to suppress inquiry by telling children we are all created by God. Conservatives want to disenfranchise the poor and protect the rich by creating and upholding a tax system so regressive that real wages for most everyone have grown little, while the rich have seen their worth multiply by many times. They want to forge a military-industrial-government alliance to rule the country regardless of how many go hungry.

    That, my friends, is fascism.

    When a government forms an alliance with a wealthy few, protects its corporations and tries to supress information and diversity among its populace, you get totalitarian fascism. We have in the United States a shrinking number of rich, a growing number of poor, a class of corporate welfare kings, some of whom have relied on taxpayer bailout-funded bonuses despite doing their jobs very badly, and a segment of the poor in red states who have no idea just how oppressed they are. None.  

    The tragedy is that in Italy and Germany, too many good but naive people never saw it coming. They never believed it could happen. So when it did, they were too blinded to fight.

    I know Obama is going to win. But more and more I see this struggle as one for the survival of democratic values and Enlightenment ideals against oppression. The last time the United States had a fight like that, the country gave its all. We helped to defeat the Nazis. I now wonder if we would recognize a new Hilter if we saw one. 

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited November 2012

    Wow! A Chrysler vice-president tweeted to Donald Trump today that Trump was full of %^*#%\*>|T for perpetuating Robme's bald-faced lie about Chrysler moving Jeep production to China. Story here in the Freep:



    http://www.freep.com/article/20121101/BUSINESS0103/121101042



    Good for him!



    L

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited November 2012

    Excellent! The man deserves a big fat bonus! :)

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