I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited October 2012

    Riley...doesn't page 1022 look ok?  It was only the way you described on the previous page - on my computer.

  • riley702
    riley702 Member Posts: 1,600
    edited October 2012

    Annnd it's back to normal now. Undecided Kam, page 1022 was screwed up, too. The post just above my first complaint looked weird until I posted, and then it was back to normal. Weird.

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited October 2012

    The Family Dinner Recipe: Miso Noodle Soup with Vegetables

    By Laurie David and Kirstin Uhrenholdt on October 19th, 2012Tags: CookingHealthy eatingRecipe

    Breastcancer.org is proud to present recipes from The Family Dinner: Great Ways to Connect with Your Kids, One Meal at a Time by Laurie David and Kirstin Uhrenholdt. Laurie is a very special friend and champion of Breastcancer.org. We’re pleased to share Laurie and Kirstin’s delicious, healthy recipes as part of Think Pink, Live Green!

    Miso soup is comfort for the heart, soul, and body,…

    Above is from BCO - is this the same Laurie David formerly married to Larry David, the same Laurie David that is good friends with Al Gore??  I follow her on Twitter and actually have gotten some great information from her....

    Let's invite Laurie to our thread!

     

     
  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited October 2012

    Well, let me get my 2 cents in before we go join the Rover ... Or Foxconn....



    Very interesting op-ed from thr WaPo about how poorly the country does under presidents who are businessmen, especially Republican businessmen.



    "The most startling figures emerge when we combine party and business experience. Historically, a Democrat without business experience has been extraordinarily better for the economy and the stock market than a Republican who had a career in business. In the past 84 years, GDP has grown 7 percent per year under Democrats without business experience (FDR, JFK, LBJ, Clinton and Obama) and fallen by 0.2 percent per year under Republicans with business experience (Hoover and the two Bushes). The Dow has risen an average of 16.8 percent per year under Democrats without business experience and has fallen by 3.7 percent per year under Republicans with business experience."



    http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/can-a-businessman-help-the-economy-for-presidents-the-answer-has-been-no/2012/10/19/3e96459e-17ab-11e2-9855-71f2b202721b_story.html?utm_campaign=wpapp



    So, it's OK if you want to pretend that a Republican businessman has any clue how to run a country successfully - but you'd better have a plan for buying a lot of catfood when the market goes through the floor.



    L

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited October 2012

    HL - I was just reading Krugman today on this very topic.

    http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/13/business-is-not-economics/

    Business is NOT Economics

    A country is not a company

    And here’s the thing: Romney is running for president entirely on the basis of his business success. In a better world he could be running on the basis of his successful health reform, but now he’s condemning that very achievement. In a better world he could actually be running on the basis of some kind of coherent policy ideas, but instead he’s offering nothing but a mix of tax cuts for the rich and benefit cuts for the middle class so extreme that focus groups refuse to believe that this is his actual proposal.

    Once the Bain record becomes a liability instead of a strength, there’s nothing there.

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited October 2012

    I always think it's so simplistic when conservative candidates think "if I can balance my budget, why can't the feds," or "If I can run a company, I can run the country." Clueless.

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited October 2012

    We fixed some funky formatting in a post on the previous page. Back to normal now.

    • The Mods

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited October 2012

    It always amazes me that certain groups of people cannot seem to grasp the simple, indisputable fact that a country is not a business. The government is not a business. It cannot be run like a business because it has a different function than a business and does different things than businesses do. And the very ones who primly fold their hands and purse their lips and say sanctimoniously that the government should be run like a business are the ones in the front row at rallies holding up misspelled signs demanding their "Medicaire" ... And demanding that the government keep its hands off that beloved -- GOVERNMENT-RUN -- program. There is no such thing as civics education anymore, and the ones who are going on about the business things must have been the ones out smoking on the loading dock or in the bathroom during civics classes in the "olden" days.



    L

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited October 2012

    They're the same ones that mistakedly use the terms "Commie" and "Socialist."  The ones I say were looking in the mirror doing their mascara during Government class. Kiss  (I went to a an all-girl high school, so not sure what the boys were doing.)

  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited October 2012

    Yeah, Kam ... They think that communist, socialist and fascist are interchangeable because they hear the ignorant talking heads on their TV shows using them -- and they also weren't paying attention in history class, because it was about a bunch of dead people. Oh, aren't we the educated liberal elite here? /snark/ Fortunately, Rick Santorum already gets that we will never like them, because we're the smart ones. (eyeroll). Thank God (or goddess or FSM or the universe, whatever your persuasion!) :-)



    L

  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited October 2012

    Kam - I did see the dueling volcanoes.  I've always loved Shasta.  I was planning on responding, but got caught up at work and then forgot....  :(  You live on/by Shasta???  Is it pretty cold there now?

  • gardengumby
    gardengumby Member Posts: 7,305
    edited October 2012

    I am still at work and VERY VERY VERY unhappy about it.  We (hubby and I) were supposed to go out for dinner tonight.  It never seems to fail that when we make plans to do something (anything) on a work night that I end up working late.  @#$%^ Where IS that bottle of wine when I need it????  So... instead of going out for dinner (and we were going to go to a really nice place...  Frown) he stopped at Costco on his way up here (I work in the city) to pick me up and we're going to have Costco chicken and a salad.  Not exactly the dinner I had hoped for...

    No canoli either...

    but I'm still getting my BIG glass of wine!!!  'cuz we have a bunch in our basement (I guess we could call it a wine cellar and sound fancy, but it's really in racks in the closet of the daylight basement bedroom)...  Kiss  Washington has GOOD wine. 

  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited October 2012

    Oh Sherri, you need to find your own tactics. I invented the post-and-delete back during the Great BCO Political Wars of 2008.



    I thought you fact worshippers didn't like factcheck.org?

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited October 2012

    Hee Hee Enjoyful....that's why I didn't delete mine when I accidentally posted in the bubble.  That was your signature brand Laughing

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited October 2012

    For the record:

    Buyout Profits Keep Flowing to Romney

    By NICHOLAS CONFESSORECHRISTOPHER DREW and JULIE CRESWELL

    Published: December 18, 2011

    Almost 13 years ago, Mitt Romney left Bain Capital, the successful private equity firm he had helped start, and moved to Utah to rescue the Salt Lake City Olympic Games and begin a second career in public life.



     





    Yet when it came to his considerable personal wealth, Mr. Romney never really left Bain.



    In what would be the final deal of his private equity career, he negotiated a retirement agreement with his former partners that has paid him a share of Bain’s profits ever since, bringing the Romney family millions of dollars in income each year and bolstering the fortune that has helped finance Mr. Romney’s political aspirations.

    The arrangement allowed Mr. Romney to pursue his career in public life while enjoying much of the financial upside of being a Bain partner as the company grew into a global investing behemoth.

    In the process, Bain continued to buy and restructure companies, potentially leaving Mr. Romney exposed to further criticism that he has grown wealthier over the last decade partly as a result of layoffs. Moreover, much of his income from the arrangement has probably qualified for a lower tax rate than ordinary income under a tax provision favorable to hedge fund and private equity managers, which has become a point of contention in the battle over economic inequality.

    An examination of Mr. Romney’s public financial disclosures, as well as interviews with former Bain partners, business associates and counselors to his campaign, reveals the extent of his financial relationship with Bain Capital and how it has allowed him to continue amassing a personal fortune while building a political career.

    Though Mr. Romney left Bain in early 1999, he received a share of the corporate buyout and investment profits enjoyed by partners from all Bain deals through February 2009: four global buyout funds and 18 other funds, more than twice as many over all as Mr. Romney had a share of the year he left. He was also given the right to invest his own money alongside his former partners. Because some of the funds and deals covered by Mr. Romney’s agreement will not fully wind down for several years, Mr. Romney is still entitled to a share of some of Bain’s profits.

    During his political career, Mr. Romney has promoted his experience as a businessman while deflecting criticism of layoffs caused by private equity deals by noting that he left Bain in 1999. But records and interviews show that in the years since, he has benefited from at least a few Bain deals that resulted in upheaval for companies, workers and communities.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2012

    I'm thinking Romney would not be a happy person if he were in Freeport, Illinois tonight.  That said, I do think it's a little over the top, but at the same time it does help put faces to those who lose their livelihood in this fashion.  It makes Bain and its operations very real.    At the same time I didn't catch any miss-statements of fact though to be honest there have been so many "changes" it is possible. 

    Obviously they do, but I'd find it very hard to sleep at night if I was that cavalier about someone else's life, and children, and future.  Peace of mind comes easy when your bank statements lay in a neat pile oozing financial security for you and yours because your morally bankrupt.

    Jackie


  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2012

    ah, what a lovely way to start the morning, reading about cannolis, which, inmy school days, we used to get in the North End of Bawstaahn..now THOSE were real cannolis, and if you got to the bakery at the perfect time, were still warm from the oven, oh, drat, just drooled on the keyboard

    Have a clip of ben stein on Faux News got in email, don't know how to post, made me smile.

    Can't imagine why so many are reading 'other thread' - after the Greatnonprofits episode, and the hideous things said about so many who post on this thread in, ah, another place, oh, well....I refuse to get drawn in, not worth my time.

    Thrilled to see what is happening via Nate Silver, love the compilation, and FOCUS on the Electoral College.

    Athena, we got your rain, wow, only way to deal with it, with all the leaves getting moldy, antihistamine and very, very deliciously l-o-n-g naps, ah, naps - sun beginning to break thru now,

    Happy today everyone..

    didn't even know you could BUY cannoli dough..hhmmnn...if it's good enuf for Blue....

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited October 2012

    *** Posting this in "both" threads:

    Hey folks. Our mission is not politics, and although you may not agree with statements on other threads where politics is discussed, we ask you to stay away from those threads. Also, when on your own thread, please don't discuss or reply to what the other side is talking about, or get into name-calling.

    There are a little more than two long weeks until the election, so let's agree to disagree about politics.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited October 2012

    Oh yes Sunnyflowers.  Premade and ready to fill.  In my healthy days I used to make a sweet table at special occasions.  Cannoli, tiramisu, cherry cheesecake, amaretti, pizzelli, torrone and much more.  I had two girls at home then and they loved helping me.

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited October 2012

    Sunny, I will post it for you.My only question: Is the family asking for flowers or for a donation to his favorite charity?

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited October 2012

    Also, (((GG))) so sorry about your evening being ruined. I know all too well what it's like to be hijacked by work - makes me flinch to think of all the good times I've missed. Grrrr.

  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited October 2012

    Ben Stein!?! Noooo, say it ain't so! And on FAUX, no less! Surprised

  • AnneW
    AnneW Member Posts: 4,050
    edited October 2012

    Mods, I'm sure you'll be the happiest of all when the election is over! But then there will be a post-election backlash, but that should only last a month or so (wishful thinking?) I pledge not to post on the "other" place, but drive-bys here might just trigger a response from me. Fair warning.

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited October 2012

    Mods - I do read the other thread because I'm ultimately fascinated how someone can vote against their best interest. I can't help it, it is intriguing.  I honestly accidently posted there yesterday, but didn't want to be accused of a driveby, so I just left it, knowing somehow it would get deleted. Accidents happen.

    I do have a question about how Laurie David is involved with this site??  I posted something about that based on a Miso soup recipe and an accompanied note about her friendship to this website I discovered yesterday.  I wasn't aware that Laurie David might have BC, but I follow her on Twitter and she is the reason I first discovered David Servan-Schreiber's cancer story.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited October 2012

    I'm shokked, shokked I tell you when an old friend turns on another old friend.  I'm not this so called old friend but I thought we took an oath long ago on another site to refrain from such things,  Fair warning, my brain aint what it used to be but the shokked one knows how well just half of my brain can work!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2012

    thanks Athena - great, isn't it!

    Thanks to the moderators, and I'm sure after the election is over, we'll all ignore the women who post on BCO, and still post on other sites ATTACKING the women who post on this particular thread.  Head in the sand is FINE with me.  I'm happy to ignore now, obviously, and appreciate having access to the Ignore/Block button function at BCO.

  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited October 2012

    I saw Ben Stein do that.  The reaction of Foxy and her Friends was worth the watch. I found it amazing how Mr. Stein had to keep prefacing his apologies to Fox for what he was about to say - as if they were policy makers.  I'm a bit skeptical at his timing, though, because if Romney gets elected, he knows that even Romney will need to raise taxes, rather than lower them, because his current plan is NOT revenue neutral no matter how many income tax deductions he gets rid of.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited October 2012

    I'm off with my sweatheart.  Lots to do but I enjoy every moment with him.  Besides my children and parents he sure makes my life worth living!  We are 2 peas in a pod.

  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited October 2012

    Kam, like you, I often walked over next door and I guess if I live to be 100 I'll never understand people who seem almost unable to wait to be subjugated ( hope I have the right word ) and more than likely lose as much, maybe in some cases more than I think we here will should Romney succeed.  I have not posted there and would not ----  of course, sad to see since we are, after all in the same "canser" boat that so many defer to a news program, which has been proven to have great ability to rearrange facts and figures for their biased opinions.  Hey, we left those caves a long time ago. 

    Blue....lucky you.  Sounds like you are going to have a dream of a day.  I've got a few items to see to, but I will be here off and on to share with people who have some substance to them.  Sanity prevails here -- nothing more to say. 

    Jackie

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited October 2012

    OK, anyone up for a minor detour from the politics of life to the politics of breast cancer.

    Next Door - I know you will be interested, sherri, once you are done doing fun Saturday things.

    And thanks go to coolbreeze, who posted this on the stage IV forum:

    http://fairoaks-carmichael.patch.com/articles/survivor-heads-local-susan-g-komen-affiliate#comment_5135797

    It is an interview with a Komen official who spews the usual Komen tripe about a 98 percent survival rate at five years, a positive attitude, etc...

    A lot of comments have been posted. It's a small, little known news outlet in northern CA but I wonder if more of us post whether it will gain some more traction in the social network world and perhaps most media.

    At the moment, most of the people posting comments are metastatic women. But I think we should ALL be angry. Not only on behalf of sisters who routinely get ignored but on our own behalf. Some of us may end up stage IV __ALL of us know that attitude has nothing to do with it.

    And as a very girly feminine woman - but also a lioness - I will NOT tolerate an organization that asks us to be pretty, passive and pink. I have never been treated with so much sexism by any man as Komen, a so-called woman's group-- has treated me. One more reason I avoid women's groups.

    So I invite you all to read, post, share and re-tweet if you can. Komen needs to know it is an insult to ALL patients.

    We are all metsters

    We are all dead women

    We are all families of bc patients

    We are all hopeful, but fairly helpless as long as Komen dominates the agenda

    We are all feminists and will not put up with pink shit and smiles any longer.

    Feeling fired up and ready to go - lol!!

    Off to share this on the stage I-II threads...

    Thank you for listening to my rant. Tongue Out

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