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  • jeanieb2
    jeanieb2 Member Posts: 319
    edited October 2012

    SpecialK - I am on day 32 from the first treatment and still holding on to most of my hair, it has thinned quite a bit like I said but I kind of think it will probably go in the next week or so.  I go for a haircut on Friday and will see what my beautician says at that time. If she thinks it is much thinner then I will see what she thinks about shaving it then, sometimes I think I want to believe that it is not as thin as it is and she will tell me the truth.  If she thinks it is time to shave it I will do so at that time.  I went to the Look Good Feel Better program today and looked at wigs when I was done, the lady said I could pick out two of them if I wanted.  She said to pick out something fun, for one of them and then maybe one that matches my style and color for another.  I am going to go with one that is longer than my hair and a little blonder, it is just not like me, but hey, we need to have fun where we can while we are going through this, right?  The other one will be more of the style of the way I wear mine.  I also found 2 hats that she gave me so I am just about set.

     bcbarbie10 - I think I may be at the 35-40% now, and as I said I will see what my beautician says on Friday when I go for a haircut, whether it is is a cut or shave.  I am glad to hear that your hair is coming back in already and is an inch long, that is great.  I am afraid when mine does come back in it will be all gray, I have it dyed now, more of a blondish brown, if that makes sense, so I will want to color it as soon as I can when it does come back in but I think you have to wait for a while but I do not know on that, do you?

      I at least feel human this week, it is weeks like this that I think everything is great and the week I get treatment, well, let's just say I look at things differently for about 10 days, am kind of grumpy sometimes, I try not to be but sometimes can just not help it.  Does anyone else get grumpy during this time? 

  • Trisha-Anne
    Trisha-Anne Member Posts: 2,112
    edited October 2012

    Hello ladies

    I really feel for you going through this at the moment.  I had awful se's with Taxotere and could only do 2 out of 3 treatments, even though the second treatment was reduced by 20%.

    I had the Big D - and really bad, it was worst for the first 10 days after treatment and then eased a little bit.  I took Imoduim for it, but it hardly helped.  I couldn't eat very much at all as everything tasted like mud but was going to the loo every hour or so as if I'd eaten a 3 course meal. I was losing around 2 1/2lb per day while on Taxotere.

    If you are suffering from D then also try to get something to replace your electrolytes.  I don't know what they are called over there, but here in Australia you can get "ice blocks" from the chemist that are designed to help when you have bad D.  Drinking lots of water will help with dehydration too - I struggled drinking water though as it too tasted like mud and was making me feel sick.

    I had a steroid crash with my first treatment, so my onc had me take them longer - but a decreased dose so that I was weaned off them over a couple of days - it helped a lot, I didn't get the crash the second time.

    I remember trying to drag my body around, the feeling that it was filled with cement is a good way to describe it.

    I'm just past two years from dx - and I feel wonderful.  There is light at the end of the tunnel - I never felt I would make it while on Taxotere - but you do get through it and life begins to return.

    For those of you doing Herceptin - compared to chemo it's a piece of cake, but did get a bit hard towards the end - I had the Big D for the last few treatments of that too!  I'm just lucky I guess lol.

    Sending you all ((((hugs)))) Taxotere is really the pits for some of us.

    Trish

    xoxo 

  • Trisha-Anne
    Trisha-Anne Member Posts: 2,112
    edited October 2012

    Oh - forgot to add - Jeanie, I lost my hair after the first FEC treatment, it started to grow a little bit on Taxotere, but I lost every other hair on my body - even the hairs in my nose!  Weird :-)

    Trish

    xoxo 

  • not
    not Member Posts: 203
    edited October 2012

    Thanks for the support Trisha-Anne! XO

    You coming back and saying you feel wonderful gives me hope. Tommorow's my 6th and last taxotere. Yay! I hope I live through the SEs.

    Gina 

  • bcbarbie10
    bcbarbie10 Member Posts: 319
    edited October 2012

    Yay! Not! Last one! Go, girl!!!!

  • bcbarbie10
    bcbarbie10 Member Posts: 319
    edited October 2012

    Ljhm, how are things?

  • jeanieb2
    jeanieb2 Member Posts: 319
    edited October 2012

    Trisha-Anne - Thanks so much for the post.  I am soooooo glad you are doing so well.  It does give me hope that is for sure.  Sometimes after I have had the treatment I wonder what in the world I am doing.  I never remember feeling like this 20 years ago on chemo, and you would think it would have been worse at that time because things have changed so much, but that is just not so.  I know it will be worth it in the end if we can keep it from spreading any more than it already has.  It is just so nice to hear that people have had such great results with this. 

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited October 2012

    Hi ladies - hang in there!  For those of you finishing - expect to see improvement at about the 6 week point PFC.  I just passed two years from diagnosis - can't say I feel great because I am enrolled in a vaccine trial that makes me feel flu-like, but that will end in Dec. and I anticipate feeling good after that!  The important thing is - I am still here and NED!

  • jeanieb2
    jeanieb2 Member Posts: 319
    edited October 2012

    SpecialK - Thanks for letting us know about the 6 week point.  I wondered how long after the final treatment you started to feel kind of normal again.  I hope when you are all done with the trial you get to feeling better real quick, and I hope the trial is a big success.

  • not
    not Member Posts: 203
    edited October 2012

    I'm on TCH and every time the experience is different. There's so many weird SEs it would take all day to write them down. But, there are good moments (and sometimes days) inbetween the bad ones! It's screwy, and difficult to make plans.

    This time, although dear onc said he lowered the steroid, I CAN'T SLEEP. I took melatonin, valarian root and ambien earlier tonight (got benadryl with the cocktail) and I'm thinking of taking another one. It's almost 4am.  

    Has anyone taken two ambien 10mg one night?

    Thank You Dear Ones. Thank You Dear Barbie for the happy Yay!!!!! May your special effects be many, and your side effects be few..... ;-) 

  • bcbarbie10
    bcbarbie10 Member Posts: 319
    edited October 2012

    Not, this might be a little late, but dont take another ambien anymore tonight. It's getting to be daylight there anyway. Just count this off as one lost night. I know how it restless and tired you must feel but 20 mg of ambien might be really dangerous to take.



    Jeanieb, ill let you know once i give in to the urge (to dye). Seriously considering it this weekend. I already have two to choose from, les cacas from lush or herbatint. My only worry is i might discolor my scalp as well 😯.



    SpecialK and Trisha-Anne, thanks so much for your encouraging words. I myself am 2 weeks PFC, just looking forward to wake up each morning to a better day. But the cough and colds virus got me for a week now to spoil my excitement. I bet i must be better now if not or this!

  • jeanieb2
    jeanieb2 Member Posts: 319
    edited October 2012

    I know this is kind of unusual, but has anyone had any problems with their nose bleeding?  It seems like just about any time I wipe my nose it is bloody.  Is this just another side effect?  I have not had any unusual bruising or anything like that.  I am on coumadin due to a blood clot in the lung 20 years ago when I took Tamoxifen.  I had it checked a week or two ago and it was OK but wondered if Taxotere could have some effect on the coumadin.  If anyone else has had problems with a bloody nose I would appreciate knowing that this can be just another side effect.  I had my second treatment 2 weeks ago tomorrow, and if my memory is right, which who knows these daysLaughing, I was thinking it happened the first time also but I did not give it much thought then.

  • Maddie57
    Maddie57 Member Posts: 296
    edited October 2012

    Hi jeanieb2 - unfortunately it is another side effect!!! I get it every time- usually on the 3rd day. I am sure you will also have found by now that your nose runs constantly. It helps if you put vaseline on a cotton bud, and gently wipe around the inside of your nostril. Do this once or twice a day, and I always do it just before I go to bed. Hope this hepls you a little bit.

  • jeanieb2
    jeanieb2 Member Posts: 319
    edited October 2012

    Maddie57 - Thanks for the info.  I have noticed my nose running more but just thought it was sinus, as we live in Nebraska and it is that time of year for all of the stuff in the air from farmers picking their crops so just attributed it to that.  Now that you mention it though, it has been that way for a while, I just never connected the two.  I am glad to know that the runny-bloody nose is just another side effect.  I will do the vaseline thing also, thanks again for the advice.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited October 2012

    jeanieb - yes, it is a side effect.  It is a combination of your platelets (clotting factors) being lower and the soft tissue irritation caused by chemo.  I did as Maddie suggested but used Aquaphor.  This may continue for a bit after you are finished with Taxotere, but will gradually subside.  Because you are on Coumadin be extra careful though, you may get a nosebleed that is more severe.  If that happens call your onc or go to the ER.  They need to keep a good eye on your platelets.

  • BilateralBeauties
    BilateralBeauties Member Posts: 149
    edited October 2012

    You will definately see a treatment rhythm. Bad at first, then rebounding, then on to your second treatment. Days right after treatment Day 2-8 were worst for me. Everybody is different. Once I got beyond day 8, I did pretty well until next round.

  • PaEaglesFan
    PaEaglesFan Member Posts: 277
    edited October 2012
    Me too.  I used Carmex tho.  Probably shouldn't have because it says external use only, but the menthol in it helped keep my sinuses open and it soothed the dryness better than vaseline or Nasal did.
    Some of the bleeds were pretty scary too.  It didn't drip, it RAN.  (sorry for being so graphic!!)
  • Maddie57
    Maddie57 Member Posts: 296
    edited October 2012

    Hi Ladies - It is probably a bit late to ask about this now, as I had my last Taxotere reatment on Monday, but these last 2 days have been hell!!! Did the chemo burn off all the skin around your nether regions - back and front. It has been awful - so sore it was bleeding. I have made sure every time I have chemo that I drink a lot to flush it out, and have experienced it every time, but this time it was the worst it has ever been.

    Also - do any of you experience that tremendous throbbing for a few days post chemo. I can feel my pulse throbbing away all over my body. It is so noisy when I lie down for a rest. Do you remember how you could hear your pulse throbbing in your head after a particularly strenuous gym session at school? Well it feels and sounds just like that!

  • jeanieb2
    jeanieb2 Member Posts: 319
    edited October 2012

    SpecialK - I will keep an eye on the nose bleed and if it gets bad I will be sure and call the onco or go to the ER.  I just figured it would go away but will know what to do if it gets worse.  I will try the vaseline or Carmex that PAeaglesFan suggested, as I am allergic to Aquafour so avoid that if at all possible.

    Maddie57 - I have only had 2 rounds of Taxotere but have never had the problem with the skin burning, but I have had the pounding heart and pulse that you mentioned for several days to a week after I had the 2 treatments.  I did not know if it was the Tax or the decadron they gave me or a combo of both, so it makes me wonder if it is just the Tax causing most of it.  Maybe someone that has taken it longer can tell you more about that.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited October 2012

    maddie - I put the Aquaphor on that part of me too, lol!

  • bcbarbie10
    bcbarbie10 Member Posts: 319
    edited October 2012

    I put diaper rash cream there, and yes, i can hear my heart throbbing in my ear when i lie down.

  • MsW2012
    MsW2012 Member Posts: 226
    edited October 2012

    Hi there. New to site. Taxotere is indeed some heavy sh--. Just started chemo Tues 10/9. Thursday & Friday were worst. Still fatigued. Awful gut ache esp after eating even just a few bites. Yucko! Hoping tomorrow will be better. Doing well drinking water but hard to exercise. Any advice for the gas-like aches & that yucky const'n?

  • not
    not Member Posts: 203
    edited October 2012

    Hi MsW! I was waiting for someone to write who had a similar experience. I was fine the first 3 chemos. I'm sorry you're having a hard time. You may need to slow down, or stop, on the exercizing for the week after chemo, and just rest. I got constiaption for 3 days after chemo. I found metamucil cookies helped, but I don't have trouble eating. You can take DSS also.

    After the big C I had loose days (they call it the big D even if it's not watery, because it's SO often) you may need electrolytes. I got a bottle of ionized minerals from the HFS (health food store) for those times. Gatoraide or pedialyte would work. You can tell your electrolytes are off if you get cramps in your calves.

    Anyway, You're doing good. I had one bad chemo because I got a super duper migraine. You never know what the SEs will bring, that's probably why the onc doens't tell youwhat could happen. Just tell your nurses at the center, so they can interpret it for you. I didn't know it was a migraine (even though I had them in the past, but not that bad) and I got Imerex that really helped the next chemo. 

    AND, hydration. I couldn't drink much after chemo #3 and after the migraine onc suggested IV hydration which really helped. I'm done and # 6 wasn't that bad.

    Hang in there. It goes by pretty fast! 

  • Maddie57
    Maddie57 Member Posts: 296
    edited October 2012

    Hi Msw2012- hang in there!! Just remember you have to be like a donkey for a few months - endure - it will come to an end!!! Good luck - really thinking of you.

    I had stomach ache and terrible constipation as well. I wasn't expecting it, as I thought the SE of Taxotere was  diarrhoea. Another old chemo veteran  warned me about constipation - she has had 2 lots so she knew what she was talking about! She suggested Senokot ( also known as Senna). It is a herbal tablet and is available at the supermarket. The constipation gives you stomach ache and gas, and it can get really bad, almost an obstruction. If my veteran chemo lady had not warned me about constipation I don't think I would have realised what was going on, as I had so many other SE's I hadn't realised I had not been to the toilet. Once you are in a chemo routine and know if you will always get constipation - some people alternate between constipation and diarrhoea - take a tablet the day before chemo and step it up to 2 a day for a week or so after chemo.  For your 2nd chemo until you have established your SE routine don't take Senokot the day before, but if you have not been to the toilet after chemo take one that night with your steroid tablets. Your bowels start coming right about 9/10 days post chemo and then try and go naturally. Please sort this problem out with some medication otherwise you will get terrible piles. I never had them before chemo, but have them now. Please look at our suggestions and comments  just above this about burnt skin around the anus and privates. You may need them. Hope this helps you a bit.

    I agree with Not about the exercise - don't even attempt it the first week post chemo. I certainly couldn't manage it. 

     I find the steroids and antibiotics also give me bad stomach ache - this is the reason I never took any tablets prior to BC. I can't help you if this is the reason for the stomach ache, but have found a hot water bottle soothing. If it is the steroids or antibiotics causing the stomach ache you just have to stick it out until you have finished those meds.

    Not - Go girl!!! Thrilled to hear you are also finished Taxotere. I see you are also on Herceptin for a while. Have you been asked to join any Herceptin trials?

  • MsW2012
    MsW2012 Member Posts: 226
    edited October 2012

    Thank you both! Today i tried Metamucil and green veg juice. The bad ache is gone but it returns if i eat grains or dairy or raw produce. Drank some Boost too, that went down fine. Still gradually losing weight. So there is hope these things will mostly occur only the week following each 3-wk chemo blast? Hope so.

    Tomorrow is Herceptin-only.

    I wont go too crazy with fiber supps until I see a pattern, as you advised.

    Thank you for responding. Helps to know we are not alone. :)

  • Trisha-Anne
    Trisha-Anne Member Posts: 2,112
    edited October 2012

    Maddie, this might be a bit late, but your question about burning skin around the nether regions - when I read that it brought back memories I'd forgotten all about.  Yes - I had that too and used a cream for nappy rash (I think you call them diapers?).  It helped a lot.

    I didn't thing to warn anyone about the big C as I always had the big D! lol Everyone's different and we react differently to meds.  I was even getting the big D on Herceptin after about 7 months.  SpecialK we have very similar dx and around the same time!  

    Hang in there everyone, this too will pass.  Remember one day at a time, and on Taxotere it's one hour at a time.

    Sending you all (((((hugs)))))

    Trish

    xoxo

  • jeanieb2
    jeanieb2 Member Posts: 319
    edited October 2012

    Does anyone know how many treatments you can get of Taxotere?  I thought some one said 6 but did not know if there was a limit or if you could take this indefinitely.

  • halfcan
    halfcan Member Posts: 253
    edited October 2012

    Hi Jeanie, you have a different chemo than I do but mine is 3 FEC and then 3 Taxotere infusions.   Yours being different could all be the same type of chemo.  No...nothing indefinite about Taxotere!  It is some heavy duty stuff from what I have heard here on the board.  I'm sure someone will chime in that may have the same treatment as you to give you a definitive answer.  Hom many infusions have you had?

  • jeanieb2
    jeanieb2 Member Posts: 319
    edited October 2012

    halfcan - I have had 2. The first treatment was terrible, Big D, nausea, running a temp, dehydrated, could not eat, lost 3 pounds in a week, which I need to do anyway but they did not want me to do that, and went 2 days in a row for fluids.  I just figured this was normal and did not go in or take care of the Big D soon enough.  The doctor said I was highly sensitive to this drug so he cut it back some for the second treatment and I tolerated that well.  I think he said if I tolerated it he may increase it for the 3rd treatment which will be tomorrow.  I will have scans in 3 weeks and then will find out what is going on.  I am going to ask tomorrow if he is only planning on 3 or if the scans show it is not working, then he will switch, or if it is working do we continue or stop, I should have asked last time but was not thinking beyond that I guess.  I do not know if this is normal to scan after 3 times or not.  I can see where it would be a good idea because if it is not working then we need to switch to one that will.  I do not know what FEC is, can you tell me which drugs they are.  I had chemo 20 years ago and I did infusions of Methotrexate, 5FU and in pill form Cytoxan, of course a lot has changed since then but I did not feel as bad on these as I did on the Taxotere the first time, but then I am 20 years olderLaughing, and everything has changed every where.

  • bcbarbie10
    bcbarbie10 Member Posts: 319
    edited October 2012

    FEC is 5FU, epirubicin, which is an anthracycline like adriamycin, and C which is cytoxan/cyclophosphamide. I cant talk about 5FU, but i found EC easier than taxotere in terms of se's. I got the crappiness immediately the day after chemo and just persists for three days, no cemented feeling, no shortness of breath. Just more tired than normal, metallic taste, and more nauseous. And of course, the big C.

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