The National Breast Cancer Foundation a disreputable charity

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kira66715
kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
edited June 2014 in Lymphedema

We found their "Beyond the Shock" (trademarked) to contain serious misinformation about LE--"It lasts 6 weeks and goes away with good nutrition", and they were unresponsive.

Just imagine, if Nitocris hadn't found this, that many nurses would have taken their "Beyond the Shock" course, and learned from a "National" foundation that LE only lasts 6 weeks--and how that misinformation would have harmed us.

Some searching on Charity Navigator shows they have a budget of 11 million dollars, supposedly delivering low cost mammograms--which since mammograms are covered by insurance or the national women's cancer screening grant for the uninsured, seems unlikely

They get a 4 star rating and higher rating than bc.org, yet did not respond to our concerns about their information--which they sell to nurses for education.

I posted on the thread, but wanted to give it it's own post as I find a charity that is making a lot of money off breast cancer patients, yet is unresponsive to contact, and actually had the audacity to ask US--the patients who contacted them and were ignored-- to edit their information, a very suspicious organization.

I have no idea what sort of oversight there is for questionable charities, but I'd warn women to be very cautious with this one, who hides under a number of different web sites.

I did read their financial reports: they spent 3 million on breast cancer awareness, and paid themselves 1 million. I'll copy the financials link.

http://www.nationalbreastcancer.org/about-nbcf/breast-cancer-financials

I'll copy my post:

Douglas Feil--the VP of development who contacted only Tazzy: "learning about breast cancer"--you can view his facebook profile, from their site beyondtheshock.com/users/111 

Oh NO!, "Beyond the Shock" is marketed as continuing education for nurses--you subscribe to nurse.com and you can get one credit hour for watching this misinformation.

ce.nurse.com/ce650/beyond-the-...

He markets this on iTunes as "Dr" Feil

What a large group of staff they have, I do wonder what their budget is and what they're selling--it appears to be education for nurses

http://www.nationalbreastcancer.org/about-nbcf/nbcf-people

The provide funding for a breast cancer vaccine--where do they get these funds?

http://www.nationalbreastcancer.org/nbcf-programs/breast-cancer-research

Charity Navigator gives them a 4 star rating: they have a budget of 11 million dollars.

http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=8776

With a budget of 11 million dollars, you'd think they could pay for their own research. Wonder where all that income comes from? They have 9 million in assets.

Reportedly, their mission is education and discounted mammograms.

And, on Charity Navigator, they score higher than bc.org.......

Look, I know I'm on a tear, but here's from a national article:

Nonprofits have to report financial information to the IRS, but it's easy to fudge the numbers. Money used to hire telemarketers can be described as funds used for education if the words "Don't forget to get a mammogram!" are stamped on the bottom of the charity's stationary. The value of gifts may be inflated to make it seem like the charity is bigger, and distort the fact that most of the money isn't going to breast cancer research. Even some respected groups, like the Texas charity the National Breast Cancer Foundation, are involved in potentially shady practices, like hiring a slew of family members and giving them six-figure salaries for filling vague roles like "senior consultant."

http://jezebel.com/5840564/the-breast-cancer-charity-scam

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  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited September 2012

    Nonprofits have to report financial information to the IRS, but it's easy to fudge the numbers. Money used to hire telemarketers can be described as funds used for education if the words "Don't forget to get a mammogram!" are stamped on the bottom of the charity's stationary. The value of gifts may be inflated to make it seem like the charity is bigger, and distort the fact that most of the money isn't going to breast cancer research. Even some respected groups, like the Texas charity the National Breast Cancer Foundation, are involved in potentially shady practices, like hiring a slew of family members and giving them six-figure salaries for filling vague roles like "senior consultant."

    http://jezebel.com/5840564/the-breast-cancer-charity-scam

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited September 2012

    Thanks for the information, Kira.  It's both infuriating and sad to think how much money they've diverted from reputable organizations and needs.  Too bad you can't get some investigative journalist to do an expose on them.  It sounds like they're really bad news.   Deanna

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited September 2012

    Thanks, this really got to me, because they created a for profit educational video "Beyond the Shock" which said LE lasts 6 weeks and goes away with nutrition and then would NOT respond to emails, except finally to Tazzy where their VP whined about how hard it was to edit a video !!!!, and could Tazzy help find experts and edit it for free. WTF!!!!

    Audacity and harmful misinformation while making themselves rich off the breast cancer survivor angle.

    From their site, about their mission: "Janelle's gentle heart and strong entrepreneurial skill set places our organization on the cutting edge of our industry as together the team at NBCF works to carry out our mission: to give help for today and hope for tomorrow"

    It's an "industry"??????  Sigh, guess it is....


    I read nonprofit financials as my daughter works for one, and see funding for good causes with real programs falling, and then I see this: a 30 year survivor has made her self rich and her family and her "educational" products could harm us.

    Frustrated me horribly, thanks for understanding.

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited September 2012

    It's not like it's the first time we've dealt with misinformation, and I contrast it to how the American Cancer Society responded to misinformation on their site.

    First, Binney and I got into some low level circle where nothing was done. So, I sent an email to Otis Brawley--who I happened to meet this week at a lecture. He's their medical director, and author of a book on how we harm patients. He doesn't remember the email, but I can find it in my sent mail, but on a Sunday, I got an email from an upper level administrator, and on Monday it was changed.

    Meeting Otis Brawley--he's a policy guy, and has great ideas and insights about the failures of the health care system. He wasn't interested in LE--despite being an oncologist, but the state breast cancer advocate who helped bring him here, has LE and it's flaring and she's interested in working with me to get the word out.

    Just made me so angry: the "National" (yeah who elected them?) Breast Cancer Foundation, NEVER responded, their information was seriously, dangerously wrong. It's being marketed to nurses as education and their actual services hurt breast cancer patients. ARGHH

  • Nitocris
    Nitocris Member Posts: 187
    edited September 2012

    Kira, 

    Thank you for the work you did.  There certainly are outstanding cancer charities out there,  but the practices of some of them are questionable and their philantrophy more than doubtful. It is not only a question of use of funds. In this case, the material produced had the potential to hurt us and it is very regrettable that they were so unresponsive to correct the misleading information.Frown

  • purple32
    purple32 Member Posts: 3,188
    edited September 2012

    Thanks, kira.

    They'll never see a  nickel of mine.

    (WTH ever hapened to " First, do no harm?!")

  • vlnrph
    vlnrph Member Posts: 1,632
    edited October 2012

    Officially in "Pinktober", I see that Procter & Gamble's monthly ad features 2 of their own (young!) BC employees. The company will donate 2 cents for each coupon redeemed to the NBCF...

    Their tree logo is distinctive and I plan to watch for it on other promotions. Will let you know when it pops up elsewhere.  

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited October 2012

    I noticed Proctor and Gamble were listed under their corporate sponsors. So is Dannon.

    http://www.nationalbreastcancer.org/nbcf-sponsors

    They admit they're an industry.

  • proudtospin
    proudtospin Member Posts: 5,972
    edited October 2012

    I had a check written to them, checked them out on charity navigator and tore up the check...actually they called and asked me for the money again, I told them I changed my mind based on the report on CN

  • cinnamonsmiles
    cinnamonsmiles Member Posts: 779
    edited October 2012

    I just went through Beyond the Shock. When I got to the part where it gave information about types of surgeries, lymph nodes, and lymphedema, the video stopped part way through and no mention of LE. I tried it several times and same thing...no voiced information about LE. There was a little part of it the written text in the beginning of the site.

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited October 2012

    Cinnamon--they pulled the video in question--the one that shows sentinel node biopsy at the middle of the sternum and says that LE lasts 6-12 weeks.

    They did not respond to any of our emails, except Tazzy's and they asked US to edit their text. It's in the Beyond the Shock thread.

    We did edit it, and have not heard anything.

    If Nitocris hadn't found the video, they would have gone on selling it to nurses for credit and having it on their site, where it has been for months, with apparently no complaints--the guy who responded to Tazzy whined about how many complaints he got, and his suspicions about "the group" who emailed him, and how hard it was to pull the video and would we, as a volunteer effort, rewrite their text....

    They take in 11 million, they could pay someone to learn the facts and edit their video. Now that mammograms are covered by the affordable care act and the federal women's cancer screening program, they have to find a new product, and this "educational" video was their latest venture.

    I have searched and searched their site, and it asks you to donate all over the place, or do a fundraiser for them, but beside the mammograms, I couldn't find a thing they actually did for women with breast cancer.

    11 million dollars would buy a lot of LE therapy and garments. Too bad they use it for their familie member's salaries.

    I'll bump the Beyond the Shock thread, and you can see where they, and it was SO hard, pulled the video in question.

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited October 2012
    They pulled the video, but the text remains--there's a tab above the video (which has been switched to the previous video, about breast surgery) with the complete text there, including the stupid ending. They need to get it off of there.
    Binney
  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited October 2012

    They have to get that text down!

    Here's a page from Komen Watch:http://komenwatch.org/

    What Could the Future of Breast Cancer Advocacy Look Like?

    Organizations focusing on breast cancer, other cancers, and public health work together to form reasonable partnerships, leverage available resources, and reduce duplication of services.


    Organizations use evidence-based information along with the highest professional and ethical standards to develop programs and increase their sustainability and capacity.


    Organizations systematically and continuously evaluate their programs for efficacy, efficiency, and relevance.


    Organizations are clear and transparent about whose interests they represent.


    Any organization working toward the eradication of cancer does not (directly or indirectly) endorse, partner with, or accept donations from any entity that contributes to the production or distribution of known or suspected carcinogens.


    Any organization working toward the eradication of cancer does not (directly or indirectly) accept donations (monetary or in-kind) from any entity that profits from the diagnosis or treatment of cancer.


    Research into cancer causation, prevention, detection, treatment, and aftercare is coordinated and, at times, collaborative to foster the greatest impact. Organizations that fund research work within this structure, with clear, evidence-based criteria for funding decisions.

    What is Komen's Role in this Future? (And National Breast Cancer Foundation, and any breast cancer charity.)

    Remember that Susan G. Komen for the Cure is a nonprofit organization, not a nonprofit corporation as Nancy Brinker refers to it. Act according to sound ethical principles befitting of a nonprofit.


    Cease partnerships with corporate sponsors who engage in "pinkwashing."


    Stop strong-arming other organizations over the phrase "for the cure." Trademark or not, Komen does not own this common language. Support your sister organizations.


    Act in accordance with the mission of being "for the cure" and make research the top funding priority.


    Stop producing messaging and education programs that promote simplistic early detection and lifestyle prevention measures. Early detection is a misnomer for many cancers, and it is no guarantee of a cure.


    Partner with other breast cancer organizations to produce and disseminate evidence-based breast cancer awareness and education resources. Doing so will result in costs savings and economic synergies.


    Too many precious resources are being wasted on holding grandscale fundraising events. Consider the power of social media and other original ideas in your fundraising efforts.


    Prioritize funding and advocate for real prevention by commissioning studies on environmental factors, and by lobbying congress for legislation to stop corporate polluting and the manufacturing and marketing of known carcinogens.


    Fund research studies that encompass 10-year, 20-year, 30-year periods to gain a better understanding of survival and mortality statistics for ALL stages of disease. Scientists know that five-year survival statistics are inaccurate representations of breast cancer survivorship.


    Recognize the needs of women living with metastatic breast cancer; prioritize research funding in this area.


    Expand your vision to include other women's cancers, particularly those that are known or suspected to be associated with the breast cancer genes (e.g. ovarian and colon cancers), those that can result from breast cancer treatments (e.g., uterine cancer, leukemia, and lymphomas), and those with similar causation.

  • cinnamonsmiles
    cinnamonsmiles Member Posts: 779
    edited October 2012

    What the hell??? Shut the front door....I found the text. OMG. I can not believe that any organization would be that stupid to put information that is truly false up. Aren't they looking for a lawsuit if someone only uses their website for information? I really don't understand. I want to know from what doctor they got their information from. I want references!! That really makes me mad.Ignorant idiots they are.

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited October 2012

    Here's something interesting I just came across related to this charity:

    https://www.sevenly.org/

    I'm not sure if sevenly.org is a front for one or more charities, or if charities pay to be featured, or if they just randomly choose ones to spotlight?   It may be spelled out in their info, which I haven't had time to read.  But I was surprised to see who they're featuring this week.    Deanna 

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited October 2012

    A quick check shows sevenly is a for profit business whose model is to feature and donate a percentage of profits to a charity, each batch of their shirts are available for a week. It 's their marketing gimmick.

    They must have to feature a lot of charities, and if you look on Charity Navigator, the National Breast Cancer Foundation gets 4 stars. It takes sleuthing and being ignored and misinformed by them to see the bigger picture. And their 11 million dollar mission is mammograms.

    I sent Sevenly a message that there's more to this group than a good Charity Navigator rating.

    What do you think of a company that markets its tee shirts by linking them to charities?

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited October 2012

    This is going around Facebook this a.m.  I actually shared it from a friend -- then quickly removed it when I took a second look at the charity Hanes has chosen to support:

    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151025065806442&set=a.110822171441.105782.92645906441&type=1&theater 

    If that link doesn't work, go to Facebook and look for the Hanes page.           Deanna 

  • NatsFan
    NatsFan Member Posts: 3,745
    edited October 2012

    Another company giving proceeds to them:  Cooperstown Bat Company is putting out a line of pink "Survivor" Bats, with $5 from each bat sale going to them.

    http://ih.constantcontact.com/fs060/1101412382589/img/259.jpg

    Got the email from them today about it.   I checked their website and they hadn't posted the info about the special bats yet, so all I have is what's in that email.  

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited October 2012

    There is a sociologist, Gayle Stulik, who has a blog and book: Pink Ribbon Blues

    Her recent blog is about the false narrative of the pink ribbon and awareness: She cites Komen, but National Breast Cancer Foundation's primary, 11 million dollar/year mission is to get mammograms done:

    http://pinkribbonblues.org/2012/10/the-false-narratives-of-pink-ribbon-month-redux/

    Komen’s chief scientific advisor, Eric Winer of the Dana-Farber Cancer Institute, was fully aware of the problem. He told me that “As painful as it is to admit, we have oversold mammography to the American public.” That was more than two years ago.

    Here's the longer version:

    "What's key to surviving breast cancer? YOU. Get screened now," the ad says. The unmistakeable takeaway? It's your fault if you die of cancer. The blurb below the big arrow explains why. "Early detection saves lives. The 5-year survival rate for breast cancer when caught early is 98%. When it's not? 23%.

    If only it were that simple. As I've written previously here, the notion that breast cancer is a uniformly progressive disease that starts small and only grows and spreads if you don't stop it in time is flat out wrong. I call it breast cancer's false narrative, and it's a fairy tale that Komen has relentlessly perpetuated.

    It was a mistake that most everyone made in the early days. When mammography was new and breast cancer had not yet become a discussion for the dinner table, it really did seem like all it would take to stop breast cancer was awareness and vigilant screening. The thing about the false narrative is that it makes intuitive sense-a tumor starts as one rogue cell that grows out of control, eventually becoming a palpable tumor that gets bigger and bigger until it escapes its local environment and becomes metastatic, the deadly trait that's necessary to kill you. And this story has a grain of truth to it-it's just that it's far more complicated than that.

    Years of research have led scientists to discover that breast tumors are not all alike. Some are fast moving and aggressive, others are never fated to metastasize. The problem is that right now we don't have a surefire way to predict in advance whether a cancer will spread or how aggressive it might become. (Scientists are working on the problem though.)

    Some breast cancers will never become invasive and don't need treatment. These are the ones most apt to be found on a screening mammogram, and they're the ones that make people such devoted advocates of mammography. H. Gilbert Welch of the Dartmouth Institute for Health Policy and Clinical Practice, calls this the overdiagnosis paradox. Overdiagnosis is what happens when a mammogram finds an indolent cancer. A healthy person whose life was never threatened by breast cancer is suddenly turned into a cancer survivor. She thinks the mammogram saved her life, and so she becomes an advocate of the test.

    Some cancers behave just the opposite of these slow-growing, indolent ones. Researchers now know that some cancers are extremely aggressive from the start. There's simply no such thing as "early" detection for these cancers. By the time they're detectable by any of our existing methods, they've already metastasized. These are the really awful, most deadly cancers, and screening mammograms*** will not stop them.

    Then there are cancers that fall somewhere in between the two extremes. These are the ones most likely to be helped by screening mammography, and they're the lives that mammography saves. How many? For women age 50 to 70, routine screening mammography decreases mortality by 15 to 20% (numbers are lower for younger women). One thousand women in their 50′s have to be screened for 10 years for a single life to be saved.

    So let's recap. Getting "screened now," as the Komen ad instructs can lead to three possible outcomes. One, it finds a cancer than never needed finding. You go from being a healthy person to a cancer survivor, and if you got the mammogram because of Komen's prodding, you probably become a Komen supporter. Perhaps a staunch one, because hey-they saved your life and now you have a happy story to share with other supporters.

    Another possibility is that the mammogram finds a cancer that's the really bad kind, but you die anyway. You probably don't die later than you would have without the mammogram, but it might look that way because of a problem called "lead time bias."

    The third possibility is that you find a cancer that's amenable to treatment and instead of dying like you would without treatment, your life is saved. Here again, you're grateful to Komen, and in this case, your life truly was saved.

    Right now, breast cancer screening sucks. It's not very effective, and if you measure it solely based on the number of lives saved versus healthy people unnecessarily subjected to cancer treatments, it seems to cause more harm than good. For every life saved, about 10 more lives are unnecessarily turned upside down by a cancer diagnosis that will only harm them. In a study published online in November, Danish researchers concluded that, "Avoiding getting screening mammograms reduces the risk of becoming a breast cancer patient by one-third."

    But it's not quite that simple. Some people really are helped by mammography screening, and if you're the one helped, it's hard to discount that one life. Right now mammography is the best tool we have. Welch, who has spent more time than probably anyone else in America studying this issue, has deemed the decision about whether or not to get breast cancer screening a "close call."

    Reasonable women can decide that for them, the potential benefits outweigh the risks. Other reasonable women will decide that for them, the risks outweigh the potential benefits.

    Komen isn't wrong to encourage women to consider mammography. But they're dead wrong to imply that "the key to surviving breast cancer" is "you" and the difference between a 98% survival rate and a 23% one is vigilance on the part of the victim. This message flies in the face of basic cancer biology.

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited October 2012

    I've gotten a national breast cancer advocate interested in researching this "charity"

    To put it in perspective: the National Lymphedema Network has revenue of 364,000$ and assets of around 100,000$ http://nccsweb.urban.org/PubApps/showVals.php?ein=943068338

     The National Breast Cancer Foundation, revenue of 11 million and assets of 9 million.

    Hmm. Which one actually helps us?

    Stay tuned, I think this researcher will do a great job looking into this.

  • proudtospin
    proudtospin Member Posts: 5,972
    edited October 2012

    charity navigator gives lots of good info regarding dif charities and which use most for expenses.  Yeah, i promised to gve over the phone to a BC group, told them to Mail me the into (never do anything over the phone).  By the time I got the stuff in the mail, I had done my research and decided not to give

    no fast commitments

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited October 2012

    Good for you, Kira!  I would like to know what someone with another non-profit thinks.  I was actually quite surprised to see them affiliated with Hanes, but of course you never know who knows whose brother-in-law, etc., to come up with these alliances.    Deanna 

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited October 2012

    "Janelle", their founder, states she's an entrepreneur and has positioned them to be a leader in this industry.

    Didn't know breast cancer was an industry....She had a mastectomy 30 years ago and leveraged it into a lucrative family business.

    And Hanes knows that we all hate breast cancer, so if buying their product helps "defeat" breast cancer, you feel good about their product.

    They get good ratings on the national sites, it's when you deal with them--like with "Beyond the Shock"--and dig deeper into their finances that you discover they don't really do anything to help women with breast cancer, just subsidize mammograms and spread bad information--for profit.

    There is a National Breast Cancer Coalition which is very different--speaks in front of Congress and pushes advocacy. 

    The national person is a medical sociologist, and she's hoping to investigate it thoroughly. I'm hoping to help her.

  • Fearlessfoot
    Fearlessfoot Member Posts: 165
    edited October 2012

    kira:  Thank you for what you are doing!  Examining groups like this and exposing any questionable aspects is providing a valuable contribution!  If this medical sociologist is a credible person, I would think that any legitimate charity would open their doors, be glad to share info, and be pleased to have the scrutiny that could lead to a validation of their work.  I am following this thread with interest.

  • CelineFlower
    CelineFlower Member Posts: 875
    edited October 2012

    great thread thank you!!

    i have shared it with the alt media circles i am connetced with 

  • Lisbeth
    Lisbeth Member Posts: 32
    edited October 2012

    Hi Kira-

     I'm a little confused following this thread but it sure doesn't sound good. So is the National Breast Cancer Foundation teaching a Beyond the Shock course? I am so curious to see the page where it says "LE goes away in 6 weeks" -- any links? Or do I have this totally wrong and am missing something...?

  • vlnrph
    vlnrph Member Posts: 1,632
    edited October 2012

    Yes, Lisbeth - I just "bumped" the other thread for you. I am not happy with these people. At least they deactivated the LE video for now.

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited October 2012

    Lisbeth, they took down the page that says LE goes away in 6-12 weeks, but didn't inform us. They only did it because we all wrote to them, and they only replied to Tazzy.

  • Lisbeth
    Lisbeth Member Posts: 32
    edited October 2012

    Ah, okay - thanks for clarifying... hmm. What next?

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited October 2012

    Great question, I talked to a medical sociologist who wants me to write up my issues with them, and then I think about how much money they collect, and that could pay for a lot of lawyers....Crazy couple of work weeks, but I'll write it up.



    I saw their huge ad to help a woman get a mammogram on Andrew Weil's site.....



    I did talk to a reporter about them.

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