Luminal A BC?

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ck55
ck55 Member Posts: 346

With the news of the 4 genetic types of BC, can I assume since I am ER/PR +++ and Her2 - that I am in the Luminal A group? Or is this something that actually needs genetic testing on the tumor itself to determine?

Anyone know?

Thanks, Cyndi

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  • ck55
    ck55 Member Posts: 346
    edited September 2012
  • mamabee
    mamabee Member Posts: 546
    edited September 2012

    I thought it also depended on your Ki67 index value to distinguish luminal A from luminal B cancers. I believe I've read that the cutoff is around a 14% Ki67 value - under 14% is luminal A (slower growing), over is luminal B. 

  • AgentMo
    AgentMo Member Posts: 72
    edited September 2012

    It is not as easy that ER+/PR+ and HER2- is equivalent to Luminal A, unfortunately. Ki67 is another indicator, but you can only really tell after genetic testing. However, as a rule of thumb ER+/PR+/HER2-/Ki67 low/Grade1 indicates luminal A.

  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited September 2012

    Here's the Research News report on the study, from the main Breastcancer.org site.

    • The Mods

  • ck55
    ck55 Member Posts: 346
    edited September 2012

    I did not have a ki-67 done on my tumor. I do know my mitotic rate was s 1. Does this correlate to a low ki-67?



    Cyndi

  • doxie
    doxie Member Posts: 1,455
    edited September 2012

    Cyndi, you are correct.  A mitotic rate of 1 should indicate a low ki67.  

  • ck55
    ck55 Member Posts: 346
    edited September 2012

    Thank you for all your relplies.



    You ladies on these boards are always so helpful!



    Cyndi

  • lanagraves
    lanagraves Member Posts: 596
    edited September 2012

    According to my MO, mine is Luminal A. I am ER/PR+, HER2 -, Grade 2, mitotic score of 1. No ki67 score for me either, but he says, based on what we know, we can assume my cancer is Luminal A.

  • ck55
    ck55 Member Posts: 346
    edited September 2012

    Yes mine was a grade 2 as well. 100% ER/PR+ .  Does is make any difference that my tumor was lobular?

    It was pretty big (9 CM) and was in 2 nodes, don't know if that figures in at all?

    Cyndi

  • lanagraves
    lanagraves Member Posts: 596
    edited September 2012

    I'm not sure if lobular makes a difference. I don't think so. Maybe one of the lobular ladies will chime in with an answer to that question.

  • mamabee
    mamabee Member Posts: 546
    edited September 2012

    Cyndi, My tumor was labeled "ductal with lobular features" and my MO says it was a luminal A cancer (100% ER+/70% PR+/HER2-, grade 2, mitotic score of 1, Ki67 of 6%, 2 nodes positive). I also had a Mammaprint test done (for a study) and it came back as "low risk" for mets - meaning I supposedly have a 10% chance of having mets over the next 10 years. However, my MO was honest with me when I asked her and she said that, yes, over the long, long term (greater than 10 years out) my risk of mets will continue to be there. She also said, though, that there are a few studies ongoing on the best ways to treat women like us over the long term (ie: how long to take tamoxifen, AIs, etc) and to just sit tight, we'll know more in a few years. Meanwhile I take my tamoxifen, exercise every day, eat a decent diet, avoid alcohol and getting stressed, and try to lose those stubborn 10 pounds remaining from chemo. I'm trying my best, and that's all I can do.

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited September 2012

    The 2012 NCCN (professional version) breast cancer treatment guidelines outlines on pages 93-98 the current research and all of the studies pertaining to endocrine therapy.  For those of you who are Luminal A, as Mamabee's physician stated, the risk, while low, might still be there, and longer use of endocrine therapy MIGHT be beneficial.  Check out the guidelines!  There's an eloquent discussion found on those pages!

  • ck55
    ck55 Member Posts: 346
    edited September 2012

    Thanks mamabee and VR. I just finished my 5 years on Femara and at my last appt with my onc we decided to switch to Tamoxifen for ? which also will allow me to start using Vagifem for the horrible dryness I have been dealing with. I am not opposed to taking something for as long as she will let me. Just waiting for something better to come along.



    I am not very good about exercising and could definitely lose 30 or so pounds. Plus I love my wine. So I have areas I need to work on.



    Cyndi

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited October 2012

    Ok ladies -- anyone have all grades in their tumor ??? I did from a one to a three.  My onc said I am Luminal A group so am not sure how that is determined -- also am ER/PR+ and HER2 neg.  Does anyone's onc say the longer time NED you are, the risk of recurrence should drop or go down?  Sometimes we hear the risk is the same as in the first 5 yrs. 

  • TectonicShift
    TectonicShift Member Posts: 752
    edited May 2014

    I had at least grade 1 and grade 2. I haven't heard that I had any grade 3 but who knows? I had a ton of nodes and that usually means aggressive cancer.

  • mamabee
    mamabee Member Posts: 546
    edited October 2012

    voraciousreader, just wanted to thank you for the tip about the NCCN guidelines. Finally got a chance to read them - very interesting! Didn't know that resource was available online, but glad it is. I learned a lot.

  • kathleen1966
    kathleen1966 Member Posts: 793
    edited October 2012

    Moderators, the link did not work for me to read the article.  Thanks!

  • vacationbound
    vacationbound Member Posts: 171
    edited November 2012

    Yes,

    Genotyping should be done to calculate your risks-Luminal A and Luminal B are differences between low Ki-67 and high -67 with Luminal A having a prevelance rate of 42-59% versus Luminal B (more aggressive type) 6-19%

    Basal is 14-20%

    Her2 7-12%

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited November 2012
  • kiwikid
    kiwikid Member Posts: 204
    edited March 2013

    I had grade 1, mitotic count of 1, tumor, er45% pr 45% with a ki67 of 18%. Apparently this is very rare with a low grade, my onc also said on a different day with a different technician I may have got a lower ki67!

    So the ki67 puts me into luminal b but everything else says luminal a. Ki67 was the sole reason for my chemo, and had it been 14 I would not have been offered it.

  • Maggs09
    Maggs09 Member Posts: 193
    edited April 2013

    Does anyone know where and how I can have Ki67 done????

    Even if I had to pay for it?

    Can that be done based on slides from surgeries performed months ago?



    I had a lumpectomy on May 2nd, 2012, more surgery ( MX ) on June 27, 2012 and non of my path reports shows Ki67.

    I had all slides /pathology redone this January and still no indication about Ki67....

    I was stage ILC IIIC, (because of size of the tumor and many lymph nodes), grade 2 (although 1st lumpectomy report said grade 1, after MX - it is grade 2), mitotic score 1, 100%ER/PR +, HER2 "0".

    I'm very interested whether I'm luminal A or B, as it looks like for any B type AIs are much better choice then Tamoxifen. (Article on BCO.org).

  • Charz
    Charz Member Posts: 48
    edited April 2013

    Maggs, you can have ki67 done at MD Anderson. I had a pathology review done there, but i had to write a letter detailing what information i wanted and i had to call several times to get them to do the ki67. my insurance paid for this. 

    i think this is the website:

    http://www.mdanderson.org/patient-and-cancer-information/care-centers-and-clinics/clinics/second-opinion-pathology/index.html

    i called and got some more information. then you have to get your slides shipped off from your hospital (you will probably need to contact your hospital's pathology department and sign some type of consent) and make sure you specify you want your surgery slides, not your biopsy slides! 

    also, i asked my oncologist about whether i was A or B and he told me A because my ki67 was very low, mitotic rate was 1, high hormone sensitivity (though i was not 100%!). Im not sure if there is an exact test to determine this or if they just go based off of the information they have. i think with a high hormone sensitivity and low mitotic score, probably luminal A, but honestly i have no idea. this is just how i understood it when i read about luminal types. i also think her2+ tends to be luminal b.

  • pp729
    pp729 Member Posts: 135
    edited April 2013

    Hi ladies, am just now reading this thread.  Very interesting.  So my mom is ER+/PR+ and  HER2-, but a high K67 and Grade 3.  Would she be Luminal A or B?  I do not think her ONC has mentioned this, but I will send her the article and have her ask him when she sees him next.

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