What are the chances of developing lymphodema?

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angelbaby1
angelbaby1 Member Posts: 46
edited June 2014 in Lymphedema

Does anyone know statistics for developing lymphodema after breast cancer treatment and whether there is much difference depending on whether you've had a sentinal lymph node biopsy or full node clearance? I'd be interested to hear what people have been told from specialists and whether anyone knows of any links to show statistics. I have googled it but had no luck with finding numbers. I'd like to know how high the risk is.

I've also noticed some swelling near my reconstructed breast. Mastectomy and reconstruction was 3 months ago. not sure whether or not to hit the panic button??

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  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited September 2012

    Hi EbonyB,

    There's a wealth of information on the main Breastcancer.org site on Lymphedema, including information on How Lymphedema Happens, Lymphedema Risk Factors, and Reducing Risk of Lymphedema and Lymphedema Flare-Ups.

    Hope this helps!

    --The Mods

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2012

    Ebony- I'm not sure of the exact statistics but I'm sure our LE experts, Binney and Kira, will chime in soon.  I will tell you that even though I only had 2 nodes removed from each side I did end up getting LE in both arms and across my back.  If you're concerned at all I'd really recommend getting evaluated by a qualified LE therapist.  Even if it turns out to be nothing you will have some baseline measurements done in case something happens in the future and they will educate you on all the ways to prevent LE.  It's really worthwhile.  Just wish they did this automatically on everyone who has had nodes removed.  If you do end up having LE they can start treatment right away and teach you how to treat it at home.  You can usually prevent it from becoming severe.  I have been able to keep my swelling to a minimum with what they taught me and the occasional use of compression sleeves and gauntlets.  You can get more information on the most active LE thread, "GRRRRRRR I HATE LE........." or go to stepup-speakout.org.

    http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/64/topic/759378?page=174 

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited September 2012

    EbonyB, no one can give you exact risk statistics as there is no single defiinition of lymphedema. Carol who posts on this site has written an amazing educational document, and the risk portion was extracted and posted on lymphademablog:

    http://www.lymphedemablog.com/2012/09/08/the-risk-of-breast-cancer-related-lymphedema-over-time/

    If you go on that page, you'll see the ranges in the literature. Know that few people look for it, and without a diagnostic criteria it's going to vary.

    Jane Armer PhD has followed 250 women for over 8 years with different methods of measurement: a perometer (sensitive laser imaging), arm measurements, symptom checklist--and depending on which method she uses, the prevlance varies up to 91%, but the average is in the 40% range.

    Certainly SNB decreases risk, but risk factors are any surgery in "the quadrant"--the arm/breast/trunk/back, radiation, chemo, being overweight and genetic predispotion, as well as seroma and some other risk factors.

    Breast lymphedema has increased with SNB.

    Here's how to find a qualified LE therapist:

    http://www.stepup-speakout.org/Finding_a_Qualified_Lymphedema_Therapist.htm

    And information on breast LE:

    http://www.stepup-speakout.org/breast_chest_trunckal_lymphedema.htm

    Please let us know if you have any more questions. 

    Kira

  • angelbaby1
    angelbaby1 Member Posts: 46
    edited September 2012

    Thank you, i will certainly check out all the info. I was also wondering if the chance of getting it decreases over time? i know its a life long risk, but if there's no sign of it in say 5 or so years, is it less likely to occur?

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited September 2012

    Ebony, from the document I wrote that Kira mentioned (where BCRL means breast cancer-related LE):

    Most women developing BCRL will do so within three years after breast cancer diagnosis. Survivors not developing near-term BCRL retain a small lifetime risk. Norman et al (2009) found the five-year cumulative incidence of BCRL was 42%. Of the affected women, 80% developed lymphedema within two years and 89% within three years (Norman 2010). Petrek followed 263 patients after mastectomy and complete axillary dissection. At 20 years after treatment, 49% reported lymphedema. Of those, 77% noted onset within three years after surgery, and the remaining women developed arm swelling at a rate of almost 1% per year (Petrek 2001). 

    So, the Petrek and Norman studies suggest that after 3 years, the risk is low, but it does not go away. Petrek's study had only women with full axillary node dissection, so it's hard to generalize to those of us who had 'just' SNB.  Anecdotally, I had SNB (5 nodes) and yup...here it is.  LE greeted me within six months of the surgery.

    Carol 

  • angelbaby1
    angelbaby1 Member Posts: 46
    edited September 2012

    Carol, I have read your article and it is just what I was after. Thank you so much, and to Kira also for the link.

    LE has never been mentioned to me by any of my specialists so it is scary to see how common it is. I know very little about it, only what I've learnt from my own research - and we all know google is not always accurate!

    Do things like playing certain sports increase the chance of developing LE? Tennis for example? My nodes were taken from the right side and yes, I am right handed. And what about sleeping on that side?

    I've read up on all these things I've done when I should have been avoiding them and I must say it gets me a little worried. I dont understand why doctors dont caution us about all this

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2012

    Ebony- Just wanted to say I understand your frustration with the lack of education.  My BS said since I had SNB I didn't need to worry about LE or take any precautions.  I felt like sending her a copy of my dx!  And if it weren't for Carol, Kira and Binney I'm not sure I would have known enough to go get myself evaluated as early as I did.  Since mine was caught early I only have to wear the compression garments when I'm doing something strenuous with my arms.  You may have to do the same for tennis.  They used to say we shouldn't work out our arms but now they're saying it's a good thing if it's done right and precautions are taken.  

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited September 2012

    Ebony, there is an article that shows that if we ARE educated, we have a lower incidence of LE. And yet, my breast surgeon gave me no info, because "she didn't want to scare me"--well, I'm living with that decision for life. And I met a wonderful woman, head of a state coalition, who developed LE after her first surgery 25 years ago and was told it was her fault for eating salt!

    Information is actually prevention for LE, and it's woefully inadequate.

  • angelbaby1
    angelbaby1 Member Posts: 46
    edited September 2012

    I'm definitely learning education is the key. It's just a shame we have to find out the info for ourselves. Since my nodes were removed I have flown in a plane a number of times, sunbaked, had a manicure where my cuticles were cut, been to day spas for massages and steam rooms, the list goes on. I've even had blood pressure taken on that arm because I was never told not to, and even when I was told to be careful a nurse still took blood from that arm because she couldn't get any out of the vein in my other arm. Had I have known the risks I would never have allowed it. I even did a high impact exercise class a week after my surgery because I felt fine. Little did I know I shouldnt have put my arm through what I did so early on.

    I just hope I havent put myself at any higher risk just because I didnt know not to do all these things. Of course I would've avoided them or taken more precautions if I had've known about LE!!

    Hoping my swelling is still post-surgical. we will see

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited September 2012

    Ebony, I have a website called Lymphedema Speaks (www.lymphedemaspeaks.com) and its mission is to collect stories exactly like the one you just posted. I am aware of a group of healthcare providers who have and continue to visit the site, including some folks from at least one insurance company. These are people that I have convinced to learn about what it means to us when we do not receive the education, support, and coverage we need. 

    To participate, you need to register on the site, and screen names are of course more than fine.  Nothing is ever done with registration information--we just use registration as a way to prevent spam robots and people with the wrong intent from posting garbage on the site.  If you care to say what you just said, to a wider audience, I hope you'll go to the site.  The stories go into categories, and there's one that's all about what you've just said (it's called 'risks not told, precautions not taken').

    Anyone with a lymphedema story to tell is invited to tell their story on the site.

    Carol 

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