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  • stride
    stride Member Posts: 470
    edited September 2012

    MrsCich, did your MO give you a good explanation for why you need chemo? Is it because you were bilateral? Is it because one of your tumors was high-grade? Is it because she's concerned about whether they got clear margins or might have missed some cells that could have escaped to the lymph nodes and not been detected? Obviously she wouldn't recommend it if she weren't concerned about recurrence, but what is the source of her concern?

  • MrsCich
    MrsCich Member Posts: 409
    edited September 2012

    Scorchy....I laughed so hard when I read your comment.  I'm not quite ready to go to jail and get treatment from my cell.  haha

    Stride...My husband recorded our entire appointment on his iphone, so we could go back and listen if we were confused about something. without listening to it all again, I THINK her main concern is because of my age.  Onco score of 24 and my percentage for recurrance with only the DMX was 34% (statistically).  My personal Onco percentage was 17% with no other treatment.  With only hormone therapy it is 11%, with only chemo it is 12%, with both it cuts my recurrance in half...to 8%.  She recommended chemo but understood my hesitance.  I asked if she would recommend this treatment to her daughter, sister, mother or do it herself and she thought for a bit and said yes.  She said she would recommend it because she wouldn't want the hurt of knowing she didn't force them to do it and then cancer came back in a few years.   

  • websister
    websister Member Posts: 1,092
    edited September 2012

    Juneau - good to hear from you. Almost there :) my thoughts have been and continue to be with you



    Jpmomof3 - great posts



    Liefie - enjoyed your post also, your son will be so surprised. I smiled when I saw that you were heading my way for Canadian Thanksgiving, my husband and I are flying to Vancouver Island for that week for a break. All four boys will be here next weekend to celebrate an early Thanksgiving with us and do the Run for the Cure with me.



    Ramols - glad you are planning a getaway also with your family, nice to have something to look forward to.



    Mrscich - tough decision, thinking of you as you wrestle with it



    Karen - welcome and thank you for sharing your story



    Hi to everyone else.



    My experience was a little different re: not sweating small stuff, appreciating the moment. A couple of months before my diagnosis I just seemed to be appreciating everything and everyone much more than ever, not being bothered by things that may have upset me in the past, at one point in May, I actually asked myself if life could get any better than this, I felt so blessed. Maybe I was being prepared for what was to come, who knows?



    Take care everyone

  • Tazzy
    Tazzy Member Posts: 2,546
    edited September 2012
    Lifie... I believe I have saved a fortune in therapy sessions by having my garden and now my greenhouse. Totally agree with what your DH says.

    Welcome Karen - sorry you have to be here, but this is a great group of ladies. A place of comfort, support, laughs, rants.. you name it.

    Mcook. I was like you, hated losing my brows and lashes more than my hair.... But I tell you what, I have become quite the expert in drawing in brows. Good luck back at work.

    MrsCich... good luck with your decision - whatever you decide we'll be here for you and help you through. My tumour was 8+cm when I was dx'd. I had 4 tx of Adriamycin, Cytoxan and then 4 tx of Taxotere. The path report after surgery showed that my tumour had shrunk to nothing more than a grainy mass and scar tissue. So it is hard, but it sure kicks cancer in the arse.

    Scorchy - lol at your post.

    I was at the BRAG workshop on Wednesday and one of the volunteers there was a 35 year old survivor (she was 32 at dx and she's TN). She said that when people used to say to her, oh! you will look at life so differently when you are better she thought they were talking crap. But she said 3 years later she still appreciates everything around her, sees her surroundings more and would never have believed that bc made her a better person. But she said it had.

    Hello and hugs to everyone else I have missed.

    Another lovely sunny day here in the Okanagan. I am going to clean my house... not sure how you appreicate that... but I will try.
  • MrsCich
    MrsCich Member Posts: 409
    edited September 2012

    Bev, I just saw you comment about my recommendations.  I wonder why your Dr says that but mine says to do it. I know the main reason is my age and my Onco score being right slap dab in the middle of the chart.  My cancer is 80% estrogen positive.  Are our ages that different? I'm 33.

  • MrsCich
    MrsCich Member Posts: 409
    edited September 2012

    Bev, I just saw your comment about my recommendations.  I wonder why your Dr says that but mine says to do it. I know the main reason is my age and my Onco score being right slap dab in the middle of the chart.  My cancer is 80% estrogen positive.  Are our ages that different? I'm 33.

  • MrsCich
    MrsCich Member Posts: 409
    edited September 2012

    Bev, I just saw your comment about my recommendations.  I wonder why your Dr says that but mine says to do it. I know the main reason is my age and my Onco score being right slap dab in the middle of the chart.  My cancer is 80% estrogen positive.  Are our ages that different? I'm 33.

  • MrsCich
    MrsCich Member Posts: 409
    edited September 2012

    I wish some of you could just tell me what to do.  I don't want to make the decision!!!!

  • allurbaddayswillend
    allurbaddayswillend Member Posts: 355
    edited September 2012

    MrsCich, it's definitely a hard decision. My onco was 32 or 34 - I forget the exact number but basically I call it a one in three chance of recurrence with no other treatment.  I'm thinking maybe your MO suggests the chemo based on the Grade 3 DCIS? Before I had an once-score, my tumor was already a Grade 3 so the MO expected an onco where he'd recommend chemo. My MO, surgeon, and radiologist all said they would tell their wife, sister, or self to have chemo (and radiation) in my case. I'm 48 but still should have a few years statistically. What chemicals is your MO recommending? recommending radiation too or, I forget, isn't rad done with BMX?

  • allurbaddayswillend
    allurbaddayswillend Member Posts: 355
    edited September 2012

    MrsCich, it's definitely a hard decision. My onco was 32 or 34 - I forget the exact number but basically I call it a one in three chance of recurrence with no other treatment.  I'm thinking maybe your MO suggests the chemo based on the Grade 3 DCIS? Before I had an once-score, my tumor was already a Grade 3 so the MO expected an onco where he'd recommend chemo. My MO, surgeon, and radiologist all said they would tell their wife, sister, or self to have chemo (and radiation) in my case. I'm 48 but still should have a few years statistically. What chemicals is your MO recommending? recommending radiation too or, I forget, isn't rad done with BMX?

  • MrsCich
    MrsCich Member Posts: 409
    edited September 2012

    AYBD, the chemo recommended is Taxotere and Cytoxan. No rads for me. 

    I hear horror stories about Tamoxifen so I don't want that but she highly recommends it as of now.  If my BRCA comes back as positive for the gene then she and I will discuss removing my ovaries since I will be at higher risk for ovarian cancer at that point.  Ugh, this is just too difficult. I may take up drinking.

  • Moonflwr912
    Moonflwr912 Member Posts: 6,856
    edited September 2012

    MrsC, sorry we can't make it for you. If you want the easy way out, the onc made it for you! LOL. You really need to be at peace with your decision, so you have to be the one who says this is what I have done to live as long and happy life ad I.possibly can. I had some SEs I would have rather not had, some heart trouble I am hoping is temporary, and I WOULD HAVE DONE IT ALL OVER AGAIN. Even knowing everything I know now. Because I made the best decision I could with the information I had then.



    Btw, RADS is not usual for BMX unless the tumor is located close to the chest wall.



    Much love.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2012

    Mrscich - you have to make your own decision that will work for you. I can't pretend to be in your shoes since I was given no options - thanks to my 6 positive nodes. But - if I had been given a choice, I imagine I would have done whatever it takes to ensure I'm around as long as possible to see my kids grow up, meet my eventual grandkids, and spend a peaceful retirement with my husband. I'm 37 - ony 4 years older than you - and I don't know about you, but I feel like I have a LOT of life left in me. So I'm not planning on giving cancer any opportunities to rob it from me. Just one girl's opinion. Sending you big hugs!

  • mcook301
    mcook301 Member Posts: 509
    edited September 2012

    Mrs cinch- understand how hard it is to make this decision! I struggle with the same and just want someone to decide for me at times :( my doctors and therapist suggested I write all it down and what each decision does for me to help me make my decisions. I have a cousin who was about your age who went through some of the same decisions. Four years out she is my biggest support person and she did decide to do chemo so maybe look for survivor that had to make these decisions to help you decide on some of the other threads here or through the American cancer society mentors? They might help you to understand how they felt about their decisions? I know in the beginning it helped me a lot to get through my first chemo days talking with her. Lots of information is being thrown at you:( whatever decision you make is you choice:)





  • mcook301
    mcook301 Member Posts: 509
    edited September 2012

    Ramols - your post helped me to as I keep thinking I am not going to do rads but you are correct I too want to not let this dam diease take my life away from me as I have a lot of places to see and things to do! I need to remember this when I am almost at the end of this dam race and I need to finish and cross the finish line no matter how much this last leg sucks and all I want to do is stop! Thanks for the important reminder!

  • MrsCich
    MrsCich Member Posts: 409
    edited September 2012

    Thank you all for your input. I so very much appreciate it.  New question but please feel free to keep commenting on what YOU would do, or what you would want your daughter or sister to do if they had my stats. 

    Do you start Tamoxifen AFTER you are done with chemo or during?  Any of you have horrible SE's from Tamoxifen? 

  • liefie
    liefie Member Posts: 2,440
    edited September 2012

    MrsCich, yes, that decision is a very hard one indeed. All I can do to help you, is tell you what my situation was, and what I did. By comparing yourself to me and the others, maybe you will get some indication. I was 57 at diagnosis, IDC stage 1 grade 1, ER+/PR+, HER-, tumour 1.8 cm, one positive node with micromets, the biggest of which was .6 mm. My onc suggested chemotherapy, and prescribed 4 rounds of Cytoxan and either Taxol or Taxotere. He strongly advised Taxotere, said it was a more effective, more aggressive treatment than Taxol (his opinion), and with less chance of neuropathy. So that was what I did. Everybody's cancer and situation is so different. My feeling was just to go for it, because in case of a recurrence, I do not want to blame myself that I did not do everything to prevent it. Good luck - it will eventually become clear to you what you must do.

    Websister, so wish I could visit with you when you're on the island that week. Just want to give you a big hug! I will drive wherever to come and see you. Enjoy your boys next weekend. Those times together are so precious. It is exactly for that purpose that we are driving to Alberta. In our case it is for a (very!) early Christmas with all our children, because we cannot be together in December. 

    Juneau, how are you doing after #3 Let us know, we all love you!

    Karen, welcome here! You've found a great group of warm, wonderful women who will support you no matter what.

    Tazzy, I had the cleaning urge yesterday. Spring-cleaned my kitchen from top to bottom, and it felt so good that I actually had the energy to do it without getting tired at all. During chemo I could not even put a simple salad together without resting in between.

    Scorchy, you are too funny! You do not hesitate to directly put into words what we others may be thinking, but are too reserved/scared/whatever to say out loud. In your case sarcasm is not the lowest form of wit! Your quirky sense of humour is an inspiration to me, because you remind me so much of my father. He was a brilliant man with the same quick, sarcastic disposition. Love it! 

    Everybody else, hope this day is very good to you!

  • liefie
    liefie Member Posts: 2,440
    edited September 2012

    MrsCich, as far as I know, Tamoxifen comes last. I finished chemo on May 7, rads on July 6 and started Tamoxifen on August 1. No SE's from it so far except a few hot flushes every day, but I can handle that.

  • MirandaSW
    MirandaSW Member Posts: 35
    edited September 2012

    I had my double mastecotmy Wed. Im still in the hospital, pain is worse than I expected.  I m completely stoned to get pain under control.

    They were not able to take out all the cancer. They left a small amount as it was right on the underneath of the skin.  As long as chemo lasts long enough to get my fills, the stretching will be done before radiation. Also they had to take 10-20 nodes out of the left armpit area.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2012

    Hang in there MirandaSW!

    I had one other thought I wanted to share. I see all of you writing your various recurrance rates based on different treatment option decisions. I have actually never once discussed recurrance rates with my docs. They never offered any and I never asked. The initial consult I had with my BS had the tone of: here is your diagnosis, here are the treatments we recommend you do, and then you'll move on with your life. And I guess I think of the women in my family who I know have had breast cancer and lived or are still living, long healthy lives afterwards. I imagine some of you might think I'm crazy for not seeking out all the facts, but in my mind and heart I truly believe that I will simply move on with life after I finish my treatments and bc will be a thing of the past. Obviously I'm not stupid and I realize I'll still have to have regular scans and be vigilant as clearly cancer could re-enter my life at some time. And i of course realize that some of my treatments could cause other problems for me in my life down the line. But I guess maybe I am learning to just live one day at a time. And I can honestly say now that I don't think death is knocking at my door - nor do I think it's coming for me 10, 20, 30 years down the line. Maybe I'm in some form of denial, I don't know - but isn't it a nicer way to live then to constantly be fearing death?

  • allurbaddayswillend
    allurbaddayswillend Member Posts: 355
    edited September 2012

    Hi there new-bees. Sorry you are here but the ladies here are an awesome group.

     I just need to say, "owee, owee, owee, owee! OH GOD the BACK PAIN!!!" It's bringing me to tears this morning.  I called my MO because the tylenol isn't cutting it and I can't take ibuprofen (stomach issues) so he's giving me a Celebrex prescrip and has OK'd me taking my hydrocodone left over from surgeries if I need it. I hesitate on the hydrocodone because I become a batty bitch on that stuff. It's hard to balance my redhead sensitivity to pain and body's overreaction to painkillers. :/  I need the stuff sooner but usually at lower doses than most people. anyone else?

  • PaEaglesFan
    PaEaglesFan Member Posts: 277
    edited September 2012

    MrsCich, I am 46, pre-menopause, with an Onco score of 28, IDC Stage I and a grade 2 tumor.  My percentage of recurrence went from 25% to 7% with chemo/rads/tamoxifen treatments so I chose to go ahead with chemo.  I had 4 rounds of Taxotere and Cytoxan and while it isn't the most fun I've ever had, it was doable.

    The 1st MO I saw summed it up pretty well when he said that treating cancer is really all about playing the odds.  I wanted the best odds possible for myself so here I am... almost 3 weeks PFC and starting Rads this Thursday.  Patiently waiting for my taste buds to come home and stay and maybe some hair to start growing...

  • liefie
    liefie Member Posts: 2,440
    edited September 2012

    Ramols, I don't think its denial at all. What's the alternative? To cower in fear every day for the rest of your life? That's no way to live, is it? It's almost like inviting disaster to strike, right? No way! This was a temporary roadblock, it is behind me now, and life goes on. I'm 100% with you on this one.

  • mcook301
    mcook301 Member Posts: 509
    edited September 2012

    I am usually not into novelty tshirts but my friends know me well and while enjoy a large glass of cab I will be wearing this...I will do it in moderation of course :)

    This is what I felt like i look bald at times:) 

    This is a picture with my dog and me when I was complete bald :)  Losing hair is hard but I think we all look beautiful! Whether you go bald, wear a wig, scarve or hat!

  • Aruba
    Aruba Member Posts: 543
    edited September 2012

    MrsC, while all cases are different i chose not to do chemo. My onco was 26. Had i had any lymph node invlvement or LVI, i would have chosen chemo regardless. My 17% went to 12% with AI and 8% with chemo added That additional 4% was what this was about and i had a tough decision to make. I am 53 post meno. After researching my heart out. Calling the onco company to re go over every stat (i learned then that these stats based on under 700 case studies which shocked me how small a pool). Asking frank opinions of my daughter (25), son (23), hubby, brother and father. (they too affected by all this). My decision was made. I though am quite a bit different in age and diagnosis etc. Believe me i know how tough this is. Whatever you decide, make sure you are ok with it and think through if you can be at peace with it. This disease is as much mental as physical. So many major decisions in such a short time. We are here for you no matter what you choose!

  • bevg49
    bevg49 Member Posts: 739
    edited September 2012

    Mrscich, you gave me what i definitely think is the answer. You are 33, I am 63. Big difference and big difference how a doctor would see things. I'm sure your doctor knows what she's talking about. My cancer was 92% estrogen positive so I am on Femera..... Good luck with whatever decision you make!!

  • bevg49
    bevg49 Member Posts: 739
    edited September 2012

    Mrscich, you gave me what i definitely think is the answer. You are 33, I am 63. Big difference and big difference how a doctor would see things. I'm sure your doctor knows what she's talking about. My cancer was 92% estrogen positive so I am on Femera..... Good luck with whatever decision you make!!

  • MrsCich
    MrsCich Member Posts: 409
    edited September 2012

    PAEagles, why do you need rads? Is it because you had a lumpectomy rather than MX? You and I have the same diagnosis (except I had high grade DCIS as well) and my onc said I don't need rads.



    I've decided to do chemo. Like Ramols (I think it was her) said, I want to know I did everything I could to stop this.

  • MrsCich
    MrsCich Member Posts: 409
    edited September 2012

    Got my BRCA results. It's negative for me carrying the BC gene. My girls don't have to worry now!!!! It's not hereditary!!!!! I so freakin ecstatic about that!!!

  • teeballmom
    teeballmom Member Posts: 322
    edited September 2012

    I have really enjoyed reading everyone's posts the last few days.  Just been hanging out reading, not posting much of anything so I'll probably make up for it in this one.  Just a warning but I'm having a really big pity party today. 

    Not sure about how you all receive your insurance explanations, but our insurance company sends a lump packet about once a month to us.  So I was looking at a huge stack today and it just brought everything out into the forefront.  I am so damn tired of BC.  We've all been poked, prodded, felt up and it just keeps going on and on and on like the Energizer bunny.  I just want things to be normal again.  Our little boys don't want to give me their school germs so they're so careful and give me air kisses and little hugs where they don't touch my skin.  It breaks my heart because we were always giving kisses to each other all of the time before chemotherapy and now they don't want to make me sick so they're super careful.  Crap, they're only 6 and 5.  What little child has to worry about things like that.  They're always telling me how beautiful I look and how much they love me and I just feel like the worst mother ever.

    Then to top it off, I was looking at my treatment schedule and of course, one of my days is on Halloween.  Well, isn't that great, too.  So I can walk (hopefully) the boys around with DH like a zombie (benadryl induced of course).

    Last night on Facebook I was messaging a young friend back and forth and she told me that I was inspiring her to get healthy.  She's losing weight, watching what she eats, etc... and (my mood was starting last night) I almost messaged her back with "Honey, I was healthy, watched what I ate, didn't drink or smoke, exercised somewhat, felt great and you know what, BC still got me".  How awful would that have been?   

    Hopefully this pity party will end very soon.  I've got to pick up my little ones from school in a couple of hours and I want to snap out of it.  Maybe planning a fun day tomorrow for the boys and us will snap me out of it.  Or maybe a big bowl of chocolate ice cream right now would do the trick.  I hate feeling this way. 

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