Anybody on the no sugar, no flour, no alcohol diet

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Hi!!!!

My friend's NO put her on the no sugar, no flour, no alcohol diet to starve the cancer cells. Is any of you on that, too?

Thanks!!!! 

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  • fredntan
    fredntan Member Posts: 1,821
    edited September 2012

    Read Anti-Cancer A new way of Life- check out from library. I need to read it. had it sitting bedside.

  • crabbiepattie
    crabbiepattie Member Posts: 108
    edited September 2012

    I stayed on a "no diet" prescribed by an MD for a couple of months after diagnosis.  On that diet, if you wonder if you should eat this food or that food, the answer is probably "No!".

    I gradually came out of the diet but I did make some permanent changes.  I think a more reasonable approach is to eat a low-carb, unprocessed diet.  I think metformin or berberine are worth considering for keeping blood sugar stable and at a lower level.

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited September 2012

    That's what I am doing (in addition to all the conventional stuff.)  Check out my thread in the Alternative Forum - Anti-Cancer Diet: Recipes!  Lots of great recipes!

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited September 2012

    My docs did not put me on this and I started it after treatment, but I do no sugar, no flour, no grain or rice, no dairy, no alcohol, only high-fiber/low sugar fruit, lean grass-fed or pasture-raised beef/chicken/eggs, organic vegetables that are non-starchy, very limited caffeine - sorry can't give up coffee completely.  I had tried South Beach to take off the chemo weight gain - had no success, but I lost 10 lbs. within 4-6 weeks on this diet.  Also, improved joint pain on aromatase inhibitors, which I believe may be linked to going gluten-free.

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited September 2012

    I do no meat, no dairy, no sugar, very limited gluten (the occasional piece of sprouted grain bread.)  I will eat quinoa, legumes, lots of fruits and veggies.  I also eat wild fish and organic eggs.  No alcohol.  Limited coffee - try to basically drink green tea and white tea every day and save the coffee for Sundays.  Special treat!

  • mary625
    mary625 Member Posts: 1,056
    edited September 2012

    Wow!  You ladies amaze me!  I have been gluten-free now since early June.  I found out through genetic testing that I have inherited the genes from both parents that would make me especially at high risk for gluten-related health problems.  I am working with a naturopath.  She also wants me to limit carbs and get 100 g. protein per day.  I was a vegetarian, but started eating chicken again because I just couldn't figure what I was going to eat under those requirements.  I'm amazed that some of you do it all!  I'm afraid that her next step is going to test me for casein allergy, which is likely along with the gluten one. I'm also trying to take off more weight.  I have lost more than 20 lbs. in this past year since diagnosis, half of it or more during chemo.  I'd like to lose another 20 lbs. to be in the best BMI range.

    If anyone would share a couple of days meal plans here or in another forum, that would be great. 

  • peggy_j
    peggy_j Member Posts: 1,700
    edited September 2012

    I've quit alcohol based on its link to a cancer. The American Cancer Society says even a few drinks a week increases the risk of breast cancer:

    http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerCauses/DietandPhysicalActivity/alcohol-use-and-cancer 

    From what I've read, it's hard to actually starve cancer cells of sugar because they are so greedy  (so you'd starve your healthy cells before you're able to starve cancer cells). But I'm sure there are benefits to reducing sugar intake.  I'm struggling with extra tamoxifen-induced weight. Seems like eating lots of high-nutrient foods (and lots of veggies) is the way to go.

  • crabbiepattie
    crabbiepattie Member Posts: 108
    edited September 2012

    SpecialK and sweetbean - kudos!  Now I need to climb back on the wagon.  Or at least walk near it!

    I think going gluten-free really helps with going low-carb.  My blood tests did not show gluten antibodies, but I do have one of the two gluten genes. Mary, maybe you had a better genetic test than I did - mine didn't say anything about whether I inherited from both parents. My doc hasn't mentioned casein.  Hmm.

    I eat kale-banana-blueberry-protein powder smoothies for breakfast a lot; I did try to eliminate the banana but couldn't do it.  I pull the kale leaves off the stems.  It's not really low carb, but it does get in some green veggies.

    I also eat boiled eggs and blueberries and strawberries for breakfast, sometimes with 1/2 slice of gluten-free toast.

    For lunch, I usually eat a big salad with carrots and cucumber and tomatoes and usually chicken. Grilled chicken with lots of pepper!  Sometimes cheese.  I tried fake cheese but it wasn't very good and I found it had casein anyway.  In the winter, I'm going to make the salad smaller and have some soup on the side.  I just have to get used to making my own soup to avoid the BPA in soup can liners.

    For dinner, I have the meat and two veggies or a double portion of the green veggie and skip the starch. Sometimes I eat a little of my husband's baked potato. My husband does a lot of cooking - yay!

    Desserts and snacks are where I go wrong. And coffee. I went decaf, at least, but that didn't last.

    Some old habits and recipes are still around, though. I make some tasty stews that are not low-carb and aren't high protein, either. I live in Denver and can't get by without green chili.

  • crabbiepattie
    crabbiepattie Member Posts: 108
    edited September 2012

    sweetbean - Great recipes on that thread!  Thanks!

  • lola0415
    lola0415 Member Posts: 15
    edited September 2012

    I read Kris Carr's books and had given up coffee, alcohol, sugar, dairy, eggs, meat and wheat.  I also juice in the morning and do a smoothie in the afternoon.  I did this back in March when I was diagnosed.  I definately felt much better and I lost about 25 pounds.  But now that I am going through chemo I have been eating fish and some chicken.  I was told that I needed a lot more protein while going thru chemo.  As soon as I am done I plan to go back to being vegan.  I also read the book The Ultimate PH Solution and it just makes sense to me.  I have asthma so I was told years ago to give up dairy. The hardest thing to give up was the coffee.  I only have some now as a special treat and then I dilute it with almond milk. I have learned to eat lots of avocados, nut butters, and hummus.

    I would appreciate any other info on being vegan as it is a totally new way of eating for me. 

  • dogsandjogs
    dogsandjogs Member Posts: 1,907
    edited September 2012

    I need carbs as I'm an avid jogger and exercises, but don't eat meat or dairy products. Lots of veggies & fruits.

    Trying to cut out cookies, but that is really had for me--I'm working on it-----

  • bluepearl
    bluepearl Member Posts: 961
    edited September 2012

    Insulin is a very strong hormone. It makes diabetics very prone to heart/kidney disease and cancer and it was one of the reasons they noticed diabetics on metformin had significantly reduced incidences of cancer. White flour, sugar, rice etc. acts like table sugar in raising blood sugars dramatically. You don't want to do that. It is true that cancer "likes" sugar...they are a fast dividing cell that needs alot of energy...but that being said, simple carbs are more inclined to make you store fat which store estrogen. Being overweight and/or obese is the REAL culprit so eating, say, a mediterrainean is very good for you etc. but as anyone knows, even marthon runners, organic food eaters, vegetarians can all get cancer. We can only reduce risks, not eliminate them. So getting back to a healthy weight, exercising and eating healthy foods will go a long way. You do your best and that's about all we can do.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2012

    Great thread - I'm on basically the same food as SpecialK.  When I went gluten free, I also went from taking about 12 Ibeprofen a day for Arimidex related joint pain, to none!  That was the step into almost no carbs, except as SpecialK speaks.

    Bluepearl brings up a vital subject for me - diabetics - and as I get older, my body tends more & more to insulin resistance. Not wanting to ass another medication to my bosy, I started researching and now use Bitter Melon, in pill form, and as a vegetable I buy at international store & use in all stir frying.  Results for me have been amazing - greatly reducing blood glucose levels.

    If anyone is having trouble "controlling" eating, I suggest reading The End of Overeating by David Kessler, and pay special attention to his description of the word "hyperpalatibility" and how it is used by food producers ( Grocery Manufacturers of America) GMA, and restaurants.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited September 2012

    Sunflowers, may I ask you which brand and dose of bitter melon you use?

  • Blessings2011
    Blessings2011 Member Posts: 4,276
    edited September 2012

    I came off the fasting phase of Optifast in July (basically four months on a gluten-free liquid diet) and when we started adding food back in, it was according to the American Diabetes Association meal guidelines.

    Since I haven't reached my weight goal (ten more pounds to go!) I haven't completed what they call "Transition" yet.

    I eat 100 grams of protein a day, only because I am 3 weeks out from exchange surgery, and protein helps me heal faster. Mostly, I snack on Organic Turkey Jerky from Trader Joes to supplement my protein.

    I eat non-starchy veggies; Lactaid for dairy; organic nut butters or avocado for fat; and three Optifast products a day. The sugar contained in their products is fructose. I get my carbs from there and from fresh fruit. I have no caffeine, nor do I drink any alcohol. I do not eat any breads or starches yet.

    When I DO start back on carbs, I am going to be VERY careful what I put back in my diet. Going gluten-free helped my fibromyalgia pain reduce about 80%. That's a huge motivator for me.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2012

    Momine - no particular brand - just make sure it has NO SOY, organic, all that stuff - I also use Lipoic Acid, and several Blood Glucose Support combinations - but the MAIN thing is the Bitter Melon.  If you google it - you'll see it's pretty commonly used to lower blood glucose.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited September 2012

    Cool, thanks. My glucose is normal, but barely. I would like to get it down a bit and exercise is not doing it. How much do you take?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2012

    Momine - I don't follow ANY kind of a dosage - notice when I eat the vegetable, as well as the tablets - it REALLLLLY drops.  So, to begin, I suggest just following what ever the bottle says.  Most good health food stores also have a combination labeled something like Blood Sugar Support.  I also use MASSES of fresh cinnamon ( the bark, I chop it up) in green tea every day - pots full.

  • Momine
    Momine Member Posts: 7,859
    edited September 2012

    Sunflowers, good to know. Thanks for the info.

  • Awnooo
    Awnooo Member Posts: 85
    edited September 2012
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2012

    awnooo - you mean you do have diabetes?   Then be VERY VERY VERY careful & don't use anything, really, without talking to your doc about the medicine.  Seriously - this bitter melon has a WARNING on it - to that effect on all the websites that refere to it for lowering blood glucose.

  • Heidihill
    Heidihill Member Posts: 5,476
    edited September 2012

    I'm not on a NO diet, but do try to limit as much as my mental health allows. Just wanted to add something on bitter melon. An acquaintance of mine I bumped into just recently recommended bitter melon as the one on top of her list for breast cancer. She worked 14 years as an oncology nurse. Unscientific evidence, I know, but since I love bitter melon, I might as well go out of my way to buy it in an Asian food store.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2012

    WOW, just WOW on bitter melon, thanks  Heidi

    I STILL have to "blanch" mine in hot water for a few minutes b4 I stir fry, or the "bitter" makes my gums shrivelLaughing

    Sometimes, I bring water to a boil, make it even less bitter, and then use the liquid as the base for soup - with dried mushrooms, some seaweed, and bits of veggies - quite good.  I miss the "noodles" - but even the sorbu (sp?) buckwheat which I was told are "gluten free" aren't - and as I'm trying to keep rice out of my food for a while too...but still, good to hear about the bitter melon.  

    Wonder if the seeds would grow in anyone's garden - we get a fierce winter, don't know if the growing season here is long enough.

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