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  • beacon800
    beacon800 Member Posts: 922
    edited September 2012

    Hi Benny,  Good luck tomorrow!!  It'll be ok.

    Wanted to mention that I ride too, hunter/jumper.  I have a bilateral MX.  There was no problem at all with riding.  I groom and tack the horse, carry the tack around, do all the same stuff.  Have no pain or difficulty with riding.  Just nothing.

    I did not have nodes out as my surgery was preventative, but my mom and her Aunt both had nodes out (my mom had 18, her Aunt probably more).  Neither of them got LE.  My mom's aunt played golf til she was quite elderly and did not get LE. 

    With riding I would suggest using gloves all the time (I do this), whilst tacking up, grooming, etc.  Don't carry too much extra heavy stuff on that side.  I was very, very careful for the first two years as LE is possible even with no nodes taken.  Anyhow, what I am saying is that with caution and thought, you can do your horse stuff just the same.  Just use the at risk arm as little as possible and take it slow. 

  • Chris13
    Chris13 Member Posts: 254
    edited September 2012
    Benny, after surgery, remember to keep that girl scout salute low, bend your head. Wink Best wishes for the surgery.
  • bennymuffins
    bennymuffins Member Posts: 412
    edited September 2012

    I'm really starting to freak out now. I think part of the fear is that I am placing my life in the hands of a bunch of strangers. I've never had surgery before, never had an anesthetic, they've already told me they do not use freezing for the needle localization. Tomorrow and everything that happens in it is completely out of my control. It's going to be a horrible awful day, and then weeks of pain management after that. But it's not like I have a choice. Frown

    Beacon, I ride western pleasure and my saddle alone weighs about 30 pounds. My horse is 15.2. I am 5'4". And those bales of hay weigh about 50 pounds. I will feel bad being at the farm and asking everyone to help me. Does this mean I'll never be able to tack up my own horse again? This is life-altering and I don't like it. I want my old life back. I promise I'll never complain again if I can have my old life back. I always prided myself on being independent and strong, physically strong, and always tacked up my own horse, and never used a mounting block, no sir, not me.

    Thanks for the well wishes everyone. I can't stop crying tonight. I dread tomorrow.

  • NSJ2
    NSJ2 Member Posts: 227
    edited September 2012

    Benny,

    Praying for you and sending continuous good thoughts your way. Let us know how you're doing as soon as you can.

    Lv

    NSJ2

  • liefie
    liefie Member Posts: 2,440
    edited September 2012

    Dear Benny,

     Don't dwell too much on what you will be able/unable to do afterwards. Just take it one day at a time, and one thing at a time, and do your best with it. We are given life in 24-hour increments for a reason. You are obviously a physically strong and fit person. My guess is you will be okay again, and have your old life back before you know it. This is a temporary block in the road, not the end of the road. Whatever happens, we are here for you. Let us know how you are doing when you can. (((((BIG HUGS))))

  • NSJ2
    NSJ2 Member Posts: 227
    edited September 2012

    Here's some breathing exercises Benny, to help you relax. Seriously,it WILL help you.

    Sit in a comfy chair, no saddles allowed. Relax your entire body, close your eyes.

    Breath in slowly to a count of four (count "one thousand 1, one thousand 2 ....)

    Hold that breathe for a count of four.

    Breath out slowly to a count of four.

    Repeat several times until you feel that anxiety leave your system.

  • NSJ2
    NSJ2 Member Posts: 227
    edited September 2012

    Benny

    For the first few days of pain, the doctor will give you a script. For later on, ask the doctor what to take for those tender bee-stinging lymph node pains. I had them too for 3+ weeks.

    My surgeon wrote me a script for Hydrocodone-Acetaminophe which I'll take the first couple days.  Then I plan to take Tylenol once the initial pain lessons.

    And believe me, I HATE having to take anything. But I certainly don't want to be in any pain, so I'm going to make myself do it.

  • geebung
    geebung Member Posts: 1,851
    edited September 2012

    Benny, I would insist on as much anxiety meds as I could get. I've found that if I am relaxed enough, my attitude towards pain changes. Eg at the dentist, I find myself thinking that I don't care if it hurts because I'm feeling so high on the gas. I honestly can't remember if I was numbed before my wire localisation or not...but I do wish I'd had a good dose of valium beforehand - I'm sure it would have made all the difference. NSJ's deep breathing suggestion is a good idea too.

    After hearing so many horror stories about anaesthesia, I dreaded going under more than I worried about my final pathology. I was sure I'd die from a reaction to it! However, it all went so smoothly.

    You often tend to get cold when you are stressed so, if you need to, ask for warm blankets to cover you before you go into surgery - it's very soothing to be enveloped in warmth. I remember being wrapped in a pre-warmed toweling robe and it really helped.

    You will be asked a lot of questions before surgery and weighed so they know what combination of drugs and the quantity to use for your anaesthesia.

    Praying the whole thing goes smoothly for you.

    Jane

  • NSJ2
    NSJ2 Member Posts: 227
    edited September 2012

    Speaking of getting cold in surgery, the nurse told me they're putting me in some kind of a space suit for surgery where I can control the climate to keep myself warm.

    Just huh?

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited September 2012

    Benny, good luck tomorrow.  You'll do just fine!

    As for lymphedema, the important thing is that you understand the risk and because you do, you'll take the proper precautions.  There is a risk, but that doesn't mean it will happen. 

    One thing that's important to know is that after surgery, your nodal area may be more tender and painful that the pain you have from the surgery. That's normal and it doesn't have anything to do with lymphedema. Be aware too that your underarm and arm may be very numb - and it could stay numb for months.  I only had 3 nodes removed but my arm was numb down to the elbow for 3 months and numb in the underarm area for 6 months.  All normal, and again, nothing related to lymphedema.  One last thing.... As the nerves in the nodal area regenerate, you may experience the occasional sharp shooting pain.  The first time I had one, I just about jumped out of my chair.  The good news is that the pain only lasts a couple of seconds, and it doesn't happen often.  But again, this is normal.  I'm telling you all of this just so that you are prepared for what you are likely to experience.  None of it's awful, all of it is manageable, but it can be very concerning - or downright scary - if you are not expecting these things to happen. So now you'll be expecting it and you'll be able to manage it.  Wink  And maybe you'll be lucky and you won't have much numbness, or the numbness won't last for long, and maybe you won't have many - or any - of those shooting pains.  But it's better to be prepared!

  • websister
    websister Member Posts: 1,092
    edited September 2012

    Thinking of you this evening Benny. As others have said take one day at a time, one thing at a time, you have a good surgeon, he was mine also. I did have local anesthetic for the needle localizations I had in 2009 and I would like to bet that you will have also. You will probably know right away if there were positive nodes or not but pathology will take one to two weeks to have back and he will review with you at your postop visit so don't worry about that. I was visited by a physiotherapist prior to discharge from the hospital and she reviewed the exercises with me and when to begin them, how to progress with them and also the lifting restrictions. You will be prescribed adequate painkillers. The physiotherapist and a nurse I had both had mothers who had gone through breast cancer, one was last year and one was 11 years ago, they were very good with me and it was very nice to hear their stories and know they understood.

    You can do this, Benny!

  • bearcub
    bearcub Member Posts: 485
    edited September 2012

    Benny good luck tomorrow, just remember this time tomorrow your breast cancer will no longer be in your breast.....it is a great place to start with your treatment....

  • beacon800
    beacon800 Member Posts: 922
    edited September 2012

    Yes Benny, you will be able to tack up your horse. But at first, you will have someone help you with the saddle. You can do the bridle. Don't throw around the 50pd bales of hay for a good long time. Take the hay in leaves to your horse instead. Same with heavy things like water buckets. Right now you should not do those things. However, I now do all those things and it's ok. Just take it slow and understand that you will be in a learning mode about how fast your body is healing, what it can handle and so on. Over time you may find you are able to do everything you ever did before. Frankly, I think most women do find that their activities are not significantly limited by breast surgery.



    As for anesthesia - the people working on you do this every day. Their patients live through it and so will you. It's scary to you cause you never did it. For them it is totally routine. Like for you riding a horse is easy and for them, they might be scared. It's all about what you are used to. So just relax and for sure you will find that it's over quickly and less miserable then you thought.



    Almost none of us thout we could do it and we did and so will you. (((hugs)))

  • bennymuffins
    bennymuffins Member Posts: 412
    edited September 2012

    NSJ, Beesie, Liefie, Geebung, Beacon, Websister, Bearcub,

    Thank you so much for the comforting words. I have my poor old boob soaking in EMLA cream and saran wrap and am just now popping Ativan. My good friend Evelyn will be here shortly to pick me up and I am gone. I hope I see you all again tomorrow sometime. If I can find a computer at the hospital I will log in and post.

    Off I go, with serious knee-knocking and teeth-chattering....... Undecided

  • Outdamnedspot
    Outdamnedspot Member Posts: 297
    edited September 2012
    Good luck Bennymuffins.  Will be thinking of you today.Smile
  • bonnets
    bonnets Member Posts: 769
    edited September 2012

    Right, the numbness is weird when I go to put on deoterant and can't feel it! Pain wise , I never even filled the Hydrocodone rx, just took Tylenol at night and in the morning. Called this morning to see what to do about taking off the dressing. They said to  after 2 days and leave on the steri strips, but I shudn't have any steri strips as I'm allergic to them, and did inform he team! So got a callin to the dr. Never get straight thru, have to leave a msg. Jean

  • edithesther
    edithesther Member Posts: 183
    edited September 2012

    Good luck Benny, sure you will be fine.

  • Sara1879
    Sara1879 Member Posts: 3
    edited September 2012

    Hi

    In shock2

    There are no words to describe it.3 weeks ago I was told I have stage 4 bc, mets to lungs,her2 pos, no cure and I will die from it. Everything he said from that point on was like the peanuts cartoon when the teacher spoke(wah...wah..wah). No cancer in family history, don't know anyone with it. How, why,who did this..I have to be prepared to tell my 2 elementary school children something? But what?

  • Onelife2012
    Onelife2012 Member Posts: 26
    edited September 2012

    Hi Bennymuffins!! 

    I have been following your post and am SO HAPPY to hear your good news!! I wish you nothing but the best in your journey. 

    I am going to see my doctor tomorrow to get my test results. It is either that or wait to see the Oncologist who I don't know and let him/her give me the news.  I go to the Cancer Clinic in Calgary on Wednesday to find out what the treatment plan is....I am getting so worked up and am filled with dread. I know this is the worst part and that somehow I will pull enough courage out of the bag to get me there....along with my wonderful very worried husband......but still, it is very hard as you all know. Absolultely the worst part, you would think that having been here before it would be easier wouldn't you? 

  • liefie
    liefie Member Posts: 2,440
    edited September 2012

    Dear Sara 1879,

    What a shock that must have been for you! Oh Sara, my heart goes out to you, and I have tears in my eyes as I type this. However, nobody can predict with certainty when somebody will die, and you are so much more than a statistic. Never say never, and don't give up hope. Many women live for years with stage 4 bc, keeping cancer at bay with treatments, defying statistics, and they are such an inspiration to the rest of us. There must be treatment that can be offered to you, and a second opinion will probably be in order if your oncologist doesn't offer anything. As for telling the kids, I don't know what to say. My take would be not to scare them unnecessarily, to give it to them in small portions, and to let them gradually get used to the fact that you are sick. This must be so heartbreaking for you. Hopefully you have a strong support system - husband, family, and friends. You will certainly be in my throughts and my prayers. ((((HUGS)))) 

  • HLB
    HLB Member Posts: 1,760
    edited September 2012

    Oh Sara, that is awful the way the Dr said that! Yes, there is no cure and we will EVENTUALLY die but there are lots of treatments to keep you going for years. Did he give you a treatment yet? It was probably har to pay attention. next appt, take your husband and take a tablet so he can take notes, and also have your own list of questions ready to ask the Onc. Hang in there. There are treatments out there for you, and if you need a new doc there is one that is right for you too. (((((Sara))))))

  • Dakota212
    Dakota212 Member Posts: 1,153
    edited September 2012

    Sara1879-

    How are your kids. Mine are a lite older my son is 8. He just doesn't get it. In my opionion I wouldn't lie but only tell them what they need to know today. Good luck. Keep us posted

  • CelineFlower
    CelineFlower Member Posts: 875
    edited September 2012

    Very good advice Dakota.. i agree 

    Benny.. my thoughts and bubbles are with you..

    let us know how it goes..

    i will be in surgery mode soon too

  • bonnets
    bonnets Member Posts: 769
    edited September 2012

    Benny, hoping all went well for you today. 

    Sara, my daughter was able to be with her family for 6 and a half years. As she said she had a lot of life to live, she was a mom of 3. There's no way this is easy, but hopefully you too will have years with those kids. Jean

  • DC197
    DC197 Member Posts: 371
    edited September 2012

    @Sara ... I am so sorry that you got that diagnosis, but the doctor had no compassion to tell you that in those terms.  No one has an expiration date stamped on them.  So far, they haven't found a cure for us stage IVs, but there is always hope that research will find one soon.  As has been said by others, there are many treatments that can keep us going for years.  A "sister" on these boards recently passed after living for 14 years with stage IV. Do not give up hope!

    Your children only need to know that you will be taking some medicines to help you control your illness.  I would not mention anything beyond that, because they won't want to let you out of their sight for fear that you won't return. Just try to live your life as normally as possible and enjoy the beauty of each day.  Worrying won't change the diagnosis .. it will only add stress to your life.

    Check out the stage IV forum and you will get a lot of helpful information from the beautiful and knowledgeable ladies there.  You will hear how many have been surviving despite progression, cheer when there is regression, and sometimes get a laugh or two.

    I wish you many happy, enjoyable days and years on your journey.

    (((Hugs)))

    Diane

  • Sara1879
    Sara1879 Member Posts: 3
    edited September 2012

    Thankyou so much, I now have sisters I can share this journey with. Ridden with guilt, I knew about the lump 2 months before I went to the dr. A friend sent me a couple of good books " when a parent has cancer" and "when someone you love has cancer" the second one is for kids. Still trying to master the lingo and get a good plan in place for the nutritional and excersize. Dx aug 31, started chemo (pax and herceptin )last week. Kids just know that mommy is sick and the medicine makes the hair fall out. That's all I could muster so far. At 8&9 perhaps the books will help find some words.

  • edithesther
    edithesther Member Posts: 183
    edited September 2012

    Sara,just logged on and read your post. My heart goes out to you and your family. As the others have said none of us know when we will die even when the "experts" tell us in a heartless way. Y ou just listen to these wonderful ladies, and live each new day as it comes. Just plan for the future, have goals and just go on and reach each one. ((((hug)))) 

  • liefie
    liefie Member Posts: 2,440
    edited September 2012

    Sara, just want to share something that somebody said on one of these boards: If you can read and post here, your survival rate is 100%. It helped me so much, and I hope it will inspire you too. Breast cancer has taught me to live in the moment, just for this day, and to find peace, pleasure and happiness in the small things. I have no control over tomorrow, and it is therefore no use to worry over tomorrow. One day at a time, sometimes one hour or one minute at a time is how it becomes manageable and doable. ((((BIG HUGS!))))

  • bennymuffins
    bennymuffins Member Posts: 412
    edited September 2012

    Sara, omg, that doctor has some seriously questionnable ethics!! i'm sorry you received that horrible news and in that manner. I'm glad you're in treatment! and i'm glad you're here at bco. about that two months'..... i understand the guilt as i think there's a few of us who have regrets over not acting sooner. i thought mine was just a caffeine flare-up. please don't beat yourself up over two months. would 60 days have made a difference? some woman have waited that long for surgery. i waited almost a month and was told it wouldn't spread in that timespan, even tho' it's grade 3, so, again, don't beat yourself up over that. a jounalistic in toronto, young woman, was diagnosed with bc a few years ago. she had two young daughters. she decided to take them shopping with her when she bought a wig. they made a day out of it. she told her daughters minimal information that they could digest. i'm not denying that we are all fighting a battle here but no doctor can tell you with certainty that your time is up. people who don't understand this cancer battle will tell you to stay positive. i think that's a bit unrealistic. i do think it's doable to stay neutral tho. don't go to the dark places. you are in treatment right now. stay close with us.

    please forgive my poor typing skills tonight as i am typing with one hand while i hold my poor old boob (officially known now as M.P.O.B. from here on in). Surgery yesterday seemed pretty straightforward....... until the percocet wore off. then the surgeon seemed less optimistic when i spoke with him and confirmed that he took more lymph nodes that initially planned and confirmed that i will need chemo after all. i guess he dug down to the chest wall :( then he said there were no surprises, so a bit of a mixed message there? then edith, our nurse navigator, met with me and suggested that the surgeon found more than expected. it's not lookinh good. then she tried to backpeddle and said, technically, we don't know anything that we didn't know preop, as if that's going to make me feel better. must go lie down again. thank you for all the supportive responses, my dear friends ...... giant gentle group hug xxxooo 

  • Beesie
    Beesie Member Posts: 12,240
    edited September 2012

    Benny, it's great to hear from you.  

    Given what you knew about your diagnosis even before surgery, it's not surprising that your doctor is saying that chemo will be necessary. Even if everything comes out as expected, chemo probably would be recommended.  Stage I women sometimes get chemo.  Many women with negative nodes get chemo.  So don't read too much into the comment that you will need chemo.... I'd actually assumed from your first post that you would be getting chemo.  So it doesn't necessarily mean that your diagnosis is any more than Stage IIA (thanks to the positive node that you already know about).  

    As for what they found during surgery, the simple fact is that until it's under a microscope, they don't know what's there.  You may have had a number of nodes that appeared swollen, but the role of nodes is to capture infection and keep infection from moving into the body.... so after something like a biopsy, it's very common for nodes to swell.  Whether the nodes have cancer or not can't be known until they are examined under the microscope.  So the nurse saying that they don't know any more than they did before the surgery is actually true - they don't.  

    Good luck with the pathology report.  And take it easy during your recovery from surgery. 

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