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  • mcook301
    mcook301 Member Posts: 509
    edited September 2012

    I love the convo and opinions about change our diets etc! So let me say I am totally wo judgement with anyone's choices or beliefs:) I was a marathoner but a closest smoker! I was am a lover of good wine! I am confused as hell,as an person,who back in the day study every thing she could about exercise and nutrition. I want sicentist to research this and understand if some day we can fight and prevent this dam fucking cancer with making different choices! I want my friend's children and my nieces never to have to worry about the stats 1:8 as we do... I want there not to be a "standard of care" for all of us! I pray that we all fight and get well! I pray for day for all of us, that we can move beyond this "c" word being every converstation we have w our friends and family. I want to have sex with my bf wo worrying about how different his life could be right now. I want normalcy, but I don't know what that would be anymore. You know what I want more than anything? To wake up tomorrow, and for maybe two minutes not think about BC, how to prevent reoccurence, when is my next appointment, what will my new fboobs look like, will I have do chemo again or is this my new life? Sorry ladies I just need to type this shit out and although I think I have learned so much about myself through all of this. I still yell at the top of lungs "fuck off cancer" you do not know who you are messing with!



    Once again Ladies! Feel my arms giving all of you big hugs! And tu for letting me just type out my feelings!

  • liefie
    liefie Member Posts: 2,440
    edited September 2012

    Jpmomof3, you make me tired just reading your last paragraph. Good for you! Also love your attitude about enjoying life. Who knows how long we've got? Have to make the best of it!

    Mcook, I hear you. Can't agree more. You're welcome to yell too!

  • Tazzy
    Tazzy Member Posts: 2,546
    edited September 2012

    MrsCich... I had MX to right side and no TE's or any form of reconstruction. BS said as I have such a high % of recurrence he advised I wait at least a year. I have been off since dx in January. Had a very good sick bank and LTD package - so I took it. I bet your job is amazing. When I watched Armstrong first walk on the moon I turned to my Mum and said "I want to do that, I want to be an astronaut when I leave school"... as you gathered I did not attain that wish... but space has always fascinated me.


    I had a craving for Brussel sprouts when I was on AC... could taste them so well. That with mashed potatoes too.


    Jpmom: way to go running 3 miles today. An achievement in my mind. Never been a runner/jogger myself, love walking though. And I have just had a glass of wine and had a beer earlier on. I, like you, really like my alcohol and do not intend stopping. I will not drink through the week though, unless I go for wings on Wednesday at the local pub.


    As for survivor/fighter. I just asked my DH how he sees it ? He said that at this moment I am a fighter and until I get the all clear after rads that is how he will see me. For me I feel I have been a survivor since dx cos I wasn't going to let this bastard take me down... but also I am a fighter of cancer. Nothing like sitting on the fence eh? My body knows how to grow this beast and that does concern me.

  • mcook301
    mcook301 Member Posts: 509
    edited September 2012

    Jpmom - you impress me! You have three kids, work your ass off and deal with all this! You are pretty dam strong girl! Don't forget that :) hugs!

  • Tazzy
    Tazzy Member Posts: 2,546
    edited September 2012
    And lets not forget the test driving of fast cars WinkLaughing... I agree with mcook.... pretty darn impressive!
  • MrsCich
    MrsCich Member Posts: 409
    edited September 2012

    Jpmom, that was me not being able to completely change my lifestyle. This damn cancer has changed mine and my family's lives enough. I dont think I would completely change it all (even if it weren't about simplicity for me and brood of 4 plus DH) because our lives have flipped upside down already. It's not fair to them. Kudos to you all for making such a healthy lifestyle change, I just don't see me doing it.



    Leave it to me to bring up topics of great debate! Lol. First diets and now whether we are fighter, survivors or if we even have it anymore.



    Mcook, I feel ya. At this moment in time your statement about "sex with your bf..." hit home. I can't stand to look at myself, my DH seems unbothered. Wth? I often wonder does he love me THAT MUCH that having sex and looking at me really doesn't bother him? Granted Im one week post op, being propped up in a sitting position and pretty much unable to move IS NOT sexy but he seems fine if I'm fine. He can't really be a saint? Right???



    All I know is you all are a great bunch of ladies. I'm so glad I have this place to come to. To vent, cry, cuss, and whatever the hell else I want to do. These virtual walls are great, non-judgemental walls. Thank you all.

  • tina_jason
    tina_jason Member Posts: 147
    edited September 2012

    There was a lot of interesting and helpful reading this weekend.  I haven't made major changes in my diet but am working towards it.  I am like jpmom, feeling that it would be difficult with my family and schedule to make those changes.  We have a garden and our own chickens for eggs so at least I feel good in that category.  Here's a thought...as much as I never want to get cancer back I do not want it to rule the rest of my life or cause me to live in fear.  I feel that if I become obsessed with my diet and nutrition that the cancer will continue to rule my life even when its completely gone.  Just a thought, but again I am trying to make positive changes.  Even small changes are better than no changes.

    My youngest son and I started an exercise plan today with the hopes of doing a Turkey Trot.  I started doing 5K's in 2010 but haven't run at all since my dx.  This week for me is fast walking only.  Next week starts the running.

    jpmom- I feel the same as you.  Because I know that I still had cancer after chemo and my surgeon cannot positively say that all my cancerous nodes are removed I will not feel that I am without the disease until I finish rads and have that PET scan.  I like to think that it is all out of me but my MO said at this point there is no way to be sure.  I know that radiation will do amazing things and I am so ready to get started.  Way to go on the three miles.  I'm hoping to be able to do that by November!!!

    Thanks for those who shared the oncotype information.  It has had me confused for a long time. Hope everyone has a good week. I'm happy that I only have one appointment this week.

  • Cottontail
    Cottontail Member Posts: 374
    edited February 2013

    I really think women are a more harsh judge of ourselves (and other women) than many men are.  When discussing my treatment options with my husband, the only thing he cared about was me getting healthy.  I asked how he would feel about my body if I'd chosen a BMX with no reconstruction, he said he was fine with it... as long as I was healthy.  When I talk about my hair starting to grow back, he says "I've just gotten used to you being bald!"  When I was walking in to the hospital the morning of surgery, he checked out my backside and said "so, once you're feeling better, you wanna wear those yoga pants a little more often?"  

    All of the men I know are far less concerned with my hair than any of my female friends.

    TBH, I wouldn't want to be married to any man who was concerned more with my exterior appearance than with who I am as a person.  Not worth my time. 

  • MrsCich
    MrsCich Member Posts: 409
    edited September 2012

    Cottontail, my DH is the same way. He treats me no different when it comes to his attraction to me and his desire to be intimate. He is understanding of my down times, had a rough morning today, and he just says he wish he could take it from me or help in other ways than just being there for me. He is amazing and he too says I'm too hard on myself.



    With his help, I was able to put a baggy t-shirt on today. When I looked in the mirror I cried. I feel so flat chested. Something I haven't experienced since I was 13. I've always been so busty and even though my initial fill in the OR for my TE's was 500cc, it's a huge difference. He just holds me and makes sexual comments about how he can't wait to see them when they're done.



    I'm blessed to have him. He truly is my rock.

  • MrsCich
    MrsCich Member Posts: 409
    edited September 2012

    Good morning ladies!!! Post op appt with my BS this afternoon. I get my Onco DX results. I'm a bit anxious. I get my first TE fill on Thursday. He said he was giving me a little bit this week but a big fill next week. Anxious about this appt as well. Argh.



    I hope you ladies have a good day!!!!

  • jpmomof3
    jpmomof3 Member Posts: 643
    edited September 2012

    Men really are different aren't they? I hate looking at my surgery sites so I have taken to wearing a tank top to sleep in. Used to just wear not much. This BC stuff hasn't slowed him down in bed at all. He will reach for the surgery side fairly readily, it doesn't seem to bother him to touch that withered scarred semi boob. I don't like it because one, it feels weird and is still very sensitive and numb at the same time and two, it's ugly to me. I should be more like him I guess and just not let it bother me so. But it still does. It tried to kill me.



    I have my last rads planning appointment this afternoon. As much I dread starting radiation, I can't wait to get it started. I want it to kill those leftover nodes that I imagine are growing into monsters. I am right there with you Tina. Until that pet scan tells me I am cancer free, I will remain skeptical. My MO is more optimistic. But she doesn't have cancer.

  • MrsCich
    MrsCich Member Posts: 409
    edited September 2012

    Jp, mine (even with the TE's in) are like step children. Bad step children. I most certainly cannot look at my nips when it's time to change the gauze, my husband even tells me not to. He says they aren't what I'm used to and theres no need for to look. He knows I'd probably faint. He changes the gauze like a trooper, making witty wise cracks while he does it. The first time he changed them I cried and he was acting like he was playing the game "Operation". Acting like he'd get buzzed. Lol. Quite silly but it made me stop crying and giggle. Since my boobs are still so numb he likes to touch them and see if I can feel it. It lightens the mood. God I love that man.



    Good luck at your rads appt.



  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2012

    Wow - I missed a lot this weekend! Knowing AC round 2 is coming up on Tuesday, I felt kind of like a pregnant woman nesting. I ran around like a mad woman stocking up the fridge and freezer, doing mountains of laundry, cleaning up around the house. Felt good to do all my normal things though. For me - ditto on all that jpmom said. With a 2 year old and a 4 year old, a full time job, and a husband who loves to eat - making drastic changes in our diet seems like more work than I can manage. And I too don't want to let cancer rule my life. That said - I think there is a lot of truth and value to all the suggestions out there, and plan to do more of my shopping at whole foods when I can, and making smarter food and beverage choices. We'll see...

    There is no way I'll even bother trying to respond to all with everything I missed - but Juneau, you've been on my mind. Hope you're doing ok out there. Not sure if any of you watched that Stand Up to Cancer special last week. We recorded it but wound up not watching much of it as it just hit too close to home this year. But I did see Michael Douglas (a survivor) say a few words at the beginning. I don't recall exactly what he said, so I'll paraphrase. Something about how cancer tries to knock us down, but instead it made him get up on his feet. And it got me thinking about you Juneau. We can't let cancer win. We have a whole bunch of tools in our arsenal. Granted some of those tools downright suck. But they are tools nonetheless. Knowing I'm heading into round two and will have another week that will just plain stink makes me kind of depressed. But I'll be damned if I'm gonna give cancer even the tiniest opportunity to steal me from my boys and my husband. Juneau - we'll all be here to support you in your decision, whatever it is. But know that you are strong. Cancer is no match for you honey!

    Hugs to you all. Hope you have a great day.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2012

    Oh - and since there was some sexy talk this weekend, I'll share a funny (or at least I think so) little anecdote about my f'ing TEs that I am starting to hate. Sparing you the gorey details, we were concerned for a moment that we might have popped one of my TEs. For about 30 minutes afterwards, we kept checking to make sure it was the same size and hadn't sprung a leak. I doubt a TE can pop - but just knowing there is something bag-like with fluid in there makes me think it might be possible... Sigh...

  • June56
    June56 Member Posts: 158
    edited September 2012

    I am a July girl and am having an awful time with swelling. It has now travelled to my back. I called the PS last Thursday, but no returned call. I am a tough girl, but I am in tears. I think it is lymphdema. So uncomfortable. Anyone else struggle with this?

  • websister
    websister Member Posts: 1,092
    edited September 2012

    Good morning



    It definitely was a busy weekend around here! Good discussions.



    I had a little quieter weekend, still feeling some after effects from chemo. Speaking of great husbands, I was apologizing to my husband last evening for the nausea I was feeling still - his response was a wonderful hug and telling me that he didn't know if he would be able to handle everything I was going through as well as I (something like that, anyway) Love him :)



    Re: diet - I do wonder sometimes, it's not a simple subject - we haven't eaten processed food for quite some time, we've exercised, tried to maintain a good weight, cut out sugar for the most part in our diet, didn't drink, didn't smoke, ate organic, made avocado/spinach smoothies with almond milk every morning but I still got a fairly aggressive breast cancer. I know some vegeterians that have also gotten breast cancer and I also look at Linda McCartney, who was a vegetarian.

    What I do know is that I hope they do make great inroads in the very near future in the areas of prevention and cure - cancer and chemo suck



    Ramols - you made me laugh regarding your TE scare! wonder how they test those things prior to insertion ;)



    Jpmomof3 - 3 miles - way to go. I'm brisk walking, thinking I may just keep that up until end of chemo, then use your inspiration to push it up to jogging



    Thinking of all those with appointments or treatment today. Take care everyone













  • websister
    websister Member Posts: 1,092
    edited September 2012

    June56 - sounds like a rough weekend. Please call your PS office again this a.m. There is also a lymphedema thread where you may be able to get some more advice or reassurance in the meantime. Hugs ((()))

  • June56
    June56 Member Posts: 158
    edited September 2012

    Thanks Websister. I did post on the lymphdema thread, but no response. I will try again. Called the PS at 9:00. Haven't heard back from them. I have an appt tomorrow, but need help now. Thanks, again.

  • websister
    websister Member Posts: 1,092
    edited September 2012

    If I is that uncomfortable, I would suggest emergency

  • jpmomof3
    jpmomof3 Member Posts: 643
    edited September 2012

    June, bug your PS again, that does sound like lymphedema. They have physical therapists who specialize in it, hopefully you can get a referreal. Not sure how they treat it when it's on the chest wall like that but I am sure you aren't alone. I hate that you are having so much trouble with it.

  • Cindyl
    Cindyl Member Posts: 1,194
    edited September 2012

    June I don't see any posts from you in the LE threads.  Do try again, sometimes things just disappear.  Those ladies are quite literally life savers.  With your swelling, do you have any redness? Heat?  Do you feel ill?  These are signs that you need to follow websisters advice and head to urgent care or the er if you can't get an answer from your PS.

  • June56
    June56 Member Posts: 158
    edited September 2012

    Thanks, all. I will call the PS again. Yes, the skin is hot to the touch. I will post again to the LE board. It was a couple of weeks ago. Thanks.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2012

    june - hot to the touch, I'd maybe consider going to an urgent care facility if you have one near you - especially if you are seeing redness too. Or if not - when you call the PS office again, let them know all these symptoms and ask if they can see you asap. Good luck!

  • juneaubugg
    juneaubugg Member Posts: 951
    edited September 2012

    Hello all! so busy I can't even TRY, to respond to all directly. I will say that although I believe in a healthy diet, I think that the true definition of healthy diet is constantly changing. I NEVER drink. I am a recovering addict and haven't had a drink in six years. I have Chrons disease so I have not had red meat in years either. I east cooked vegetables, and was slowing down on sugar due to diet. that said, like Websister said, even Linda M. Was vegetarian.... I personally think they don't have a clue. everyone has an opinion and we should eat and drink in a manner that makes or bodies run best. WE KNOW when we feel like we are running on high test vs on sludge. a hangover never felt good did it? That's because in order to feel drunk we had to drink enough so the alcohol poisoned our bodies by over taxing our liver until it gave up and allowed it pass through to the rest of or body.



    Don't get me going....i have a friend on what I consider an extreme diet, and I'm just not sure I'm buying it.



    Re the survivor, vs having cancer thing..... I tell people I am currently "in treatment for breast cancer". seems to work best and makes them uncomfortable enough to leave me alone which is all I seem to want lately. And that totally sucks. I'm usually really outgoing, but now I just want to hide out indoors where no one will see me. I hate who I am allowing this disease to turn me into.



    I'm going to MO this afternoon. My port is protruding out more and hurts AND I am hoping to manipulate her into telling me two treatments is enough. I know she won't though. shit! SHIT!!! I WANT TO BE DONE! FUCK!



    I'm tired of my SH spending a week sleeping in another room because I'm up all night or tossing and turning. I'm tired of getting dressed and feeling disgusted with myself. I'm tied of one rock hard TE and one natural healthy left smaller breast that constantly requires passing when I get dressed. I used to go bra less in the summer. I feel like a cyborg! on goes the passed bra, on goes the hair... I'm all fucking smoke and mirrors. How an I supposed to find the sexy in that?!



    I'm grateful that my NSMX was a success.... My nipple looked exactly the same before and after surgery. I am still amazed that when I look at my foob worth the TE that it looks like mine exactly down to my freckles, but then I get angry and I miss my old breast, my old life.... The old ME. I get so depressed and feel so alone and lost.... thank good I'm smart enough to do things in spite of myself. I have my Look Good, Feel Better class tonight. And the cancer support group on Thursday.



    Oh and exercise!? I always ALWAYS struggled with getting my butt moving and having cancer has not changed that one iota. I did spend the weekend around all my friends young kids though, and doing give you a choice. Good bless 'em, they got me moving! I don't know how you all manage with young kids, but at the same time; what a wonderful gift you have to keep your mind of your own shit.



    OK so I'll check in later after my MO tells me I have to finish my last tell treatments and let you know what they say about my port.



    Hugs to all.....

  • allurbaddayswillend
    allurbaddayswillend Member Posts: 355
    edited September 2012

    jp & MrsC and others in the same boat - It makes sense to me not changing diet right now especially when feeding more kids. There's just my husband, son and me at home and 2 of us already have to eat gluten-free for celiac so cooking from scratch has been the only way to eat and stay in budget for us since celiac dx. So I was already doing this a while before bcdx. I often just keep it simple: Rice, veggies and some protein for dinner. If both dh and I were employed at the same time I still don't know what I'd do because I don't have many choices for gluten-free convenience food.

    I say, "I *had* a breast cancer tumor that was completely removed, no nodal involvement, and the chemo is to prevent recurrence." So basically I say HAD not HAVE..

    ramols, your sig makes me wonder if I can get metallic gold tattoos on my right boob... hmmmm... Tomorrow is my BGC day for taxol #2. I will think of you & maybe pretend we are going in together. That'll help my brain.

     all the best, everybody! Keep bugging your Drs for answers!

  • liefie
    liefie Member Posts: 2,440
    edited September 2012

    June: Hope you get in to see the dr this morning. Let us know what they say. Maybe it's just me, but I think it is pretty lame that your PS did not call you back on Thursday when you so clearly need help. Now a whole weekend has gone by - it should not be like that. All of us who had lymphnodes removed live with that lymphedema sword hanging over our heads for the rest of our lives. SIGH!

    MrsCich: Glad you are doing so well. You are also very lucky in the husband department. It seems that the DH's and boyfriends on this thread are all great men who support their partners every step of the way. 

    Ramols: So you almost sprung a leak during xxxxxx? That is funny! I'm also wondering if it can pop, but for another reason than you, though - lol. I received radiation with the TE in place. It finished two months ago, and these last few weeks I'm beginning to notice that the TE side is really feeling very hard and tight. My PS warned me that this might happen. My boob is visibly shrinking as the radiated skin around the TE is contracting. All I can do is put on cream to keep the skin soft. My worry is that I may spring a leak, because the pressure in there must be considerable. How much more is it going to shrink? It was small to begin with . . . oh man! My experience with cancer is that just when you think you are out of the woods, you are plucked right back to the middle for more punishment. Losing your boob, your hair and your strength is not enough, it seems.

    Websister: I'm with you when it comes to diet. As far as I know, there is little proof that certain foods will definitely cause cancer, and that others will prevent it. The information out there is so confusing, and often directly contradicting. One just doesn't know what to believe. The best we can do is to avoid what we know is not healthy like animal fats, sugars and simple carbs, and to load up on the veggies, fruit etc. Everything in moderation, I think. You and Jpmomof3 are inspiring me to take my dog and go for a long walk right now. Don't know if I will ever get back to running (slowly at my age!) as I used to do, but brisk walking is better than nothing.

    Juneaubugg: You said it - you are SMART enough to do things in spite of yourself. Love it! 

    To everybody else: May this day be relatively SE free and pain free. 

  • juneaubugg
    juneaubugg Member Posts: 951
    edited September 2012

    Just left the dr. And no surprise; they don't have any studies for TWO rounds of AC. "I'm almost done, you're no a quitter". SHIT!!!! Next round is on a Thursday instead so I can come in for fluids freiday and Monday and perhaps get through it faster. She said I'm doing great and my port is fine. It mIght have raised up some but it's still in the right position....take more pain killers for it! Great now I can go back to being a junkie!!!! I think not. I'll suffer thanks. This disease sucks!!!!!

  • June56
    June56 Member Posts: 158
    edited September 2012

    Juneau, you are so very right!

  • 2FriedEggs
    2FriedEggs Member Posts: 640
    edited September 2012

    Haven't forgotten you all; I read the posts everyday and most days I just sit and shake my head at the crap and decisions we bc ladies go through.

    I followed all the convos about diet.Some of you have so much willpower I have to hand it to you.For those with small children that work, I would think changing diets would be impossible for now too.I'm not big on the diet stuff although I have cut out sugar in my coffee- a big step for me lol. My BS will probably refer me to a nutritionist my next visit-she says she likes her bc patients to visit one atleast once.

    June if your PS didn't call back you might want to contact your breast surgeon as they deal with LE issues as well.

    MrsCich- so funny my husband was fascinated by the numb thing too-seeing if I knew he had his finger on me etc. It definitely sounds like we all have keepers with our DH's. I'll say a prayer your onco is real low and that you don't have any major decisions to make.

    Ramols-thats funny about the TE- we can only leave it to our imaginations as to how frisky things were getting to make you think you popped and expander. lol Nah, I understand because I always feared they could just explode; the implant is so much thinner than the TE so now I'm afraid it will get poked by a button or a zipper and leak. Dr reassured me that it isn't that easy though. lol

    JPmom I'm tired thinking about you doing 3 miles let alone doing it myself! Thank goodness for tank tops, huh? What you're hiding doesn't sound near as scary as whats behind mine though. lol

    Juneau hang in there. Not what you wanted to hear from your doc but chemo will come to an end and things will get better. Plus it's great you had no NS issues and that skinwise you match!Believe me that's a big positive!

    Well back to organizing a few things. I've used this BC to put things off long enough. Hope you all have a good day and no se's or yucky decisions to make.

  • SusannahW
    SusannahW Member Posts: 470
    edited September 2012

    Has anyone had terrible insomnia while taking femara? Can't sleep at all. mo's office insists they've never seen this side infect before.

    Thanks, susannah

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