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Mrscich~they are allowed to sell many things that cause cancer. Cigarettes for one.
I know that I really need to change my lifestyle habits. I'm not a big snacker, nor do I eat seconds, but I'm not a vegetable or fruit eater. I never eat breakfast and I'm much too idle.
We've all heard that cancer feeds on sugar. I have a friend who is 10 years into this (stageVI). Her doc did a test where they injected her with sugar water and watched on a scan as it went straight to the cancer.
I guess this thief, cancer, can really get us motivated. I've been procrastinating about changing my habits for years.
Blessings
Paula -
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I have read that sugar feeds cancer cells? There is so much information out there but my sister works for the American Cancef Society so I get a lot of advice from her(it is not always well received) also I had a close friend who was stage IV with his cancer and had a tumor in his neck. He was not responding to chemo so he switched his diet and changed his life and his tumor disappeared? It might be a miracle but he believes his diet and supplements changed his outcome. It is a lot of work to research all the information on this as it is a full time job so I just pick the things I can do right now. Exercise, limited coffee, sugar, meat etc. I started trying to juice or do smoothies because I am horrible about getting all my veggies and fruits daily and my iron is really low.
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Mcook, you're killing me quicker than the cancer with your statement "exercise, limited coffee, sugar, meat, etc". Hahahaha. I drink coffee every morning (yes I use one pink and one blue....argh), not too big on sweets and I want meat with every meal. Mainly chicken. I understand the sweets part but why meat and coffee?
I used to love walking but haven't done it in a long time. I lost 25 lbs about a year ago and have kept it off but since my BMX a little over a week ago, I've gained 5 lbs and I look 5 months pregnant! My stomach sticks out so much more. Not sure of its because my boobs always hid it from me or what but even my husband noticed it. I didn't eat for 3 days after my surgery so.... -
I've heard that sugar feeds cancer too, but I don't quite believe it's that simple. Sugar feeds our bodies, it's a quick burst of energy so what can one expect? I think what really feeds cancer, for many of us, is the fact the too much sugar builds fat and fat stores estrogen and estrogen definitely does feed cancer. So I haven't totally cut all sugars from my diet, but I have cut way back. I used to be a six pack a day girl (Atlanta champaign baby - Coke - the real thing) I've cut back to no more than one a week. That was the hardest thing. I'm trying to remake my eating habits. If we go out to eat I look up the nutrition information for the restaurant and order something reasonable, and frequently only eat 1/2 and take the rest home for tomorrow. I eat a lot of fruits and veggies and much less meat - I'm convinced that all the hormones and antibiotics they feed animals these days aren't good for us overall (don't know how that applies to cancer, but overall health is important too) and I've gotten off of my butt and am trying to be more active. When you burn more calories, well, they aren't hanging around feeding cancer are they?
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Good point Cindyl. I'm very interested in what all the other ladies day about this topic.
I changed the way I ate when I dieted a year ago. I ate less red meat and I've never ate a lot of sweets. I love fruits and raw veggies but don't eat them nearly enough. I drink Diet Coke (about one a day) and coffee in the morning. I hate plain water but if I add Crystal light I'm good. Ugh, cancer has made me change enough already, I hate this shit. -
OncotypeDX is for node-negative, early cancer patients...
Juneaubugg - I can totally see why you're feeling the way you do; I'm nauseaous all the time and have had a splitting headache for 5 days now. The meds my doc gave me help, but the nausea always lingers and the headache always come back full blown. I know it's tough, but you're, what, halfway there? I know you're strong... Can you be strong for just a little longer?
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Juneau: Good call to take your time about this decision. Just want to tell you that my last cycle was virtually SE free. I remember drinking much more water/juice/whatever before, during and the days after #4 chemo to wash the drugs out quickly, and I think it worked. At my last infusion they also ran the Taxotere in very slowly over an hour and a half. Waited and waited for that crappy feeling and usual SE's, but they never came. Only one was the loss of taste, but it also returned much quicker than with the first 3 cycles. Hope you are doing something nice today!
For those of you struggllng to get enough fruit and vegetables, try V8 juice, low sodium. One can contains 3 veg/fruit portions. It's an easy way to up your veg/fruit intake.
Firestorm: You are right about the Oncotype DX test. The protocol here at the cancer centre in Victoria, BC, is that even if you have just one positive node, you do 4 chemo cycles regardless of the Oncotype test. Only node negative women get this test done to determine their chances of recurrence, which then leads to them getting chemo or not. It is a very expensive test that can apparently only be done in California at this stage; the breast surgeon said it is around $4000, so here in Canada they don't have the test done routinely for everybody. Hope your headache and nausea let up so that you can enjoy this Sunday!
About the sugar: This is my biggest struggle. Just love cake, sweets, etc. I have such a sweet tooth. Last night at a party I had a second helping of dessert - oops! If there's chocolate in the house, I eat it. My DH hides it and feeds me two small squares per day - LOL. Have to do much, much better than this, I'm afraid. This is really hard for me.
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Regarding food, I agree there is a lot of information out there. My own surgeon told me to drop the meats (including chicken) and alcohol and limit cheese. I had to wait almost 6 weeks so I asked a friend who is an ocologist in Nova Scotia what he thought. Moderation and drop the simple sugars from him and certainly alcohol has lots of them! I went vegetarian which was easy as we have moved that way over the years to a certain degree already. I did not drink at all for a week or so but was on holiday with friends and limited myself to a glass of white wine a day, not easy but not hard really either just a mind set. But meanwhile I did a lot of reading about the risks. Plant based diets win though again I think moderation has to be the key for most of us. In my package given to me here in British Columbia written by the gang at the Cancer Agency there is a lot of talk again of plant based and less meat and oils. Of course there is discussion about beef and growth hormones and chicken and antibiotics and we have to make our own minds up about all that. Dr. Susan Love's Breast Book talks about diet in different areas of the book. I think we all know that being overweight is a risk factor and alcohol definitely is. Breast cancer, since my diagnosis in July, has meant lifestyle changes for life whether I like it or not. I am lucky in one way in that I started trekking about 6 years ago and with all the training for that, I lost weight and ate better in general. Now I worry that I won't feel like being as active and can fall down on discipline pretty fast!
Marian
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Meat animals in this country are pumped full of chemicals, and fed foods they wouldn't naturally eat, to make them grow faster. Processed meats are full of you don't even want to know what. The cheaper ground meats often contain fillers, and sometimes include pieces of meat that were literally swept up off the floor and been "cleaned" with ammonia. Steaks, especially the inexpensive pieces, are often made from gluing multiple pieces together. The feed used at many large-scale chicken growers can contain arsenic, which goes into the meat you eat. (It's also full of antibiotics, which is helping to contribute to antibiotic resistance in humans.) The fish most people like to eat (tuna, salmon) has high mercury content, and farmed fish has little in the way of nutrition. (And again, they're fed unnatural things - salmon aren't meant to eat corn and food dye!)
The inexpensive dairy that is widely available in the USA is horrible for you, too. It's full of hormones that people aren't meant to be consuming the way most people do.
If I wasn't vegetarian, I would never eat any meat that wasn't certified organic. (For me, vegetarian is cheaper and easier than having to worry about that.)
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Since I'm already vegetarian, my food changes are going to be to reduce my dependence on packaged, processed foods, and force myself to make time to cook REAL food.
I've gotten lazy in the past 5-10 years, and have relied a lot on convenience foods. When I was in college full-time and working 2-3 part-time jobs, I managed to feed myself real food that I cooked myself, but now I sit around on the computer after work and complain about not having the time. Well. That needs to change. I've been checking out tons of cookbooks from the library, and will purchase a few new vegan cookbooks, and when my energy is back I'm dedicating myself to feeding myself (and my husband) actual food.
Those packaged things are full of chemicals I don't think we should be eating.
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Cottontail I am with you on all your above commentary. I feel lucky now that I chose to spend more (and eat less) on free range chicken, eggs, and only beef and lamb free of all the bad stuff - in other words, animals that have got to walk around on grasslands for years now. Knowing that the cancer had been growing for years, at least I have been working against it in a way. My surgeon say meat, chicken, fish is all the same, so yes vegetarian makes sense. I am doing good yogurt though and free range eggs and have to admit to having my son make us free range no hormones, no medications, chicken last night. Post op I just felt a need for a major protein but when it came to eating, I only managed about half a normal sized portion so I guess my veg diet of recent weeks has taken hold. Post op though I have not wanted any wine but I am sure that will change as I feel better! As I have said before easy to go vegetarian but less easy to give up wine for me!
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mcook301-I certainly will send recipes to share with my 2012 sisters! Good that you're did those changes in your personal care products! I found that juicing is much better than eating the 5-9 servings of veg everyday. I juicing mainly kale, romaine lettuce, spinach,cumumber, carrots, beets, apples (all organic), usually I drink about 3 to 4 cups in the morning and again in the evening . Also I eat mushrooms,cauliflower, chick peas, lentil, kidney beans, black beans (cook all from dried beans not canned- too much BPA in canned foods). Oh, this book I've read is fantastic and I highly recommend it to read is Anti Cancer - A new way of life by David Servan Schreiber, he was a doctor as well and had brain cancer 3 times but he survived it for 19 years which is very impressive considering the kinf he had. He talks about everything that could contribute to cancer and healing from within.
Mrs Cich- The reason for the no meat is the factory farming of animals for food, have you looked at fork over knives? Its a documentry about where you food come from and what they inject into it before you eat it. Do you know that all the beef and chicken and pork that you get from these farms are injected with hormones and antibotics? Not good for human consumptions. And coffee is acidic, there are a great amount of people out there that believe in having a PH balance in your diet. Eating more alkaline rather than acidic to balance out your body which makes your immune system stronger and able to fight cancer cells and kill them. YOu could also check out this book(along side the one I've mentioned above) Sexy Crazy cancer diet by Kris Carr. She's living with stage 4 cancer for 10 years now and believes in the alkaline diet. She did not have any chemo or radiation or suegeries (not that she didn't want to but she can't where her tumors are).
Yes sugar is BAD if you have/had cancer, the refined ones are really bad for you and the artificial sweetener is the worst of all. It can really cause cancer. The best alternative is something called Stevia (best brand is sweetleaf), so if you want to add sugar, add stevia. No dairy, almond milk, rice milk is great alternatives and better for you, reason being the same chermicals from the cow goes into the milk and also milk is acidic.
Oh somebody mentioned V8 juice as an alternative to getting veg, I won't recommend it since the main reason for juicing is to get the live enzymes and turst me the bottled ones in the supermarket do not have any in them. Its a waste of money, juicing your own is the best way.
Oh and to answer your question, no my doctor didn't tell me to change my diet, I started doing my own research into it since I had no family history, don't smoke, eat really healthy (I thought but was eating a lot of meat for protein), Weight train 5-6 days a week, drink a glass of wine once in a blue moon (for special occasions like my birthday). Its not only your diet but your environment as well. As I said, the 2 books I recommend above is excellent for reading and understanding how diet and changing other factors in your life can help you prevent reoccurrence.
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Marianelizabeth, I'm right there with you. Things people eat today are so much different than what our grandparents ate, it's crazy! Their meat and dairy wasn't full of hormones and chemicals like it is now.
I've always been a beer lover, and I can say with absolute certainty that I will not be giving up beer. I am going to do my best to cut down, though. (Oh, and I love gin, too. IMO, a hot summer Saturday is not complete without an icy gin & tonic. I just need to learn to only drink ONE, hahaha!)
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Oh and yes, eat as fresh as possible, no processed packaged food, no fast foods (do you know what it have in that burger patty from the fast food joints? Not beef at all, really need to educate ourselves about all the food that we eat. I eat dark chocolate for my sweet tooth, 70% and above to get the cancer fighting nutritients in it. No table salt, I try to season my food with lots of spices and if I use salt, its Himalayan pink salt which is really good for you as well. I also add lots of turmeric seasoning into my dishes.
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I love my two coffees a day and was glad to see that Dr. Susan Love said she has not found any connection with coffee and cancer. So I am drinking those guilt free! Lifestyle changes yes, but extremes no.
Marian
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I usually have two coffees a day, too. I've just had one today and now I'm off to make a pot of green tea.
I used to be a Diet Coke addict, drinking one every weekday and 3 or 4 each weekend day. Chemo did me a favor and made most soda taste like absolute crap to me. I'm still addicted to the feeling of fizz in my mouth, though, so lately I've been drinking the Mendota Springs flavored fizzy waters (the only thing added is the flavor, no sweetener or anything else). It's too expensive for me to continue with, so I'm going to dig out my Soda Stream to make my own fizzy water. I'll mix it with juice or Torani syrup and that will be my soda. (If you're avoiding sugar or artificial sweeteners, Torani syrups are not for you. I don't have a sweet tooth - salty is my downfal - so I'm not going to worry about the sugar in one or two drinks with a bit of syrup in them.)
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Thanks for your input ladies. I have 4 children (15, 13, 7, & 4) and I work full time as a Safety Specialist on a NASA contract. As much as I would live to make all natural, super healthy meals for my family...it's physically not possible. By the time I get home and we get done with homework, dinner and baths...I MIGHT get an hour to do something not work related (usually catch up with my husband and/or tv shows). Our life is all about simplicity so we can make time for family still.
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Something that I used to do and need to do again is to plan to have leftovers. Cook once, eat several times. I used to do that, but got away from it.
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Cottontail-If you cooking, you could add different spices to make your food really tasty, as I've mentioned before, you could use himalayan pink salt and the spices you could use are cumin, galic, onions, curry powder, turmeric.
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What interesting posts I've been missing this weekend. All things in moderation I say. No one to date has told me to change my diet. I already try to eat fairly well, lots of fruits and veggies, nothing processed. Cant say I always eat organic meat, but try. I have a friend - 3 year bc survivor... she never drank, well maybe 2 glasses of wine or beer a year, always ate healthy. completed the Ironman and was always training for something. She still got cancer. Saying that I do agree with omitting processed foods from our diets... plus I have never ever been a junk food eater.
MrsCich... sounds a great job you have.
Hoping everyone is managing to have a good weekend.
Hang in there Juneau... we'll be here for you whatever your decision.
Love ya all xxx
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Hi everyone, (((Hugs to all who need them)))
I hadn't checked in here for a while and am glad to see faces from earlier in the year still pushing through everything.
Juneaubugg - I dont know which chemo you're having but I am sympathetic. If you're doing AC, it's what I did but if you're doing TC, I don't know how that would have affected me. My third AC back in July was horrendous. I had started my period the day before, I got another one just nine days after chemo (& none since, I would guess I'm in chemopause now). I lost a bunch of weight that time around, and my onco was alarmed because my iron also was dropping. I was crying in his office before the 4th AC treatment. I was determined to do the 4th treatment but couldn't stop myself from crying - and I wasn't depressed per se, I had been fine a couple of days before chemo, it was just the thought of going through the crappiness again. ugh. Fortunately the 4th treatment wasn't as bad as the 3rd but my MO also reduced my steroids a little that time. That seemed to help with the tightness and nasty feeling I'd get in my guts. I have just tried to watch funny movies and listen to funny books to help my mood. I got through the AC. I had my first of twelve Taxol infusions last Tuesday. The pain and numbness, sore throat, fatigue has already started in this first week. We'll see how far I get with this stuff, eh? My appetite is not completely shut off like it was with the AC so my Onc will be pleased by that. Also, I have discovered frozen yogurt is something I like
If I have to do a Neupogen shot during this? watch out. those Neulasta's during AC were the thing that knocked me out for a couple days at a time. Literally, I could not stay awake the 2 days after the shot. Anyway, Glad to see that you're going to talk to your Onc about it. My Onc offers to give me just about anything he can to help with SEs and encourages me to call whenever. He can't do anything about my port placement though which is barely to the side of my sternum and I swear it's moved little bits on me and even felt like it snapped across my rib one time- I felt a little bruised under there for a while but there was no visible bruising on top. Also, I smack mine a lot somehow so I really notice it there and it seems to sting a bit for a few days after chemo. Can't wait till it's out!
On an upnote, I have kept up walking this week after the Taxol though a couple of days I felt like I had run a marathon, and I'm not a runner... Also, I am starting to show a little bit of ostrich fuzz on my head - the little fine white hairs. Unless Taxol knocks them out, I will enjoy rubbing them, they're soft.
Diet? I'm a paleo eater. Somewhere between the "eat all the bacon" type of paleos and the "almost-vegan-Denise-Minger-type" paleos. For me it's about avoiding refined and processed foods, almost never eating sugar except some fruit, eating free-range grass-fed meats when I do (easy where I live in the middle of ranches, not feedlots), having fresh free-range eggs from my own birds, and eating tons of veggies. oh and some nuts and seeds for snacks. I only hit on this eating pattern in the last couple of years and it works very well for my energy levels, I lost weight, etc... I didn't eat too badly before that (I didn't drink sodas, didn't drink alcohol much over the last 15 years, didn't eat fast food, I cooked from scratch) but didn't know I had celiac so I still ate a lot of gluten before which was slowly killing me. I wish Drs would test people more for celiac it is so hugely underdiagnosed in the US! But back to diet, it has been hard to get the tons of veggies in during the AC but my taste for bitter greens seems to be back so look out Kale, I'm coming for you! I'm quite concerned about my insulin levels and insulin-growth-factor but have found out that insurance doesn't pay for us to have those tested even though high levels of *those* are greater risks for breast cancer than many other things the media have tried to have us believe... My onc gave me a sympathetic look when I asked about monitoring IGF. I suspect one day monitoring IGF will be something they can do. Metformin, the blood glucose balancing diabetes drug, is in Phase III trials on early stage breast cancer I think, or that may be done? It's fairly amazing what researchers learn and do...
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Soyaandpepper: When I suggested low-sodium V8 juice, I said clearly that it can be used to UP your fruit/veg intake. I certainly did not suggest it as an alternative or substitute. To say that it is a waste of money is a bit extreme. It still contains all the vitamins as well as 5 g fibre per helping, which many other juices lack.
Tazzy: I agree with everything you said. All things in moderation is how I feel too.
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New topic/question!
We've all (or most of us) have had surgery to remove the cancer so, do you still say you have BC? I've said to my husband blah blah blah I have BC and he'd say no you don't, it's been removed. If that's the case why are some of us treated for BC after the surgeries? I know it's because cancer cells may have escaped the breast even though the lymph nodes are clear but are we considered to still have BC? Are we fighters or survivors? -
Tazzy, I LOVE MY JOB!!!! I investigate all the mishaps (you name it, I look into it) on our contract. It's an interesting job. I miss it and the people. Been out about 2 1/2 weeks and I have no idea when I get released to go back. How long were you all out after BMX with TE placement?
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liefie-I'm really sorry if I sounded like I was confrontational! I never meant to offend any of you sisters here. I was simply saying that any processed juice being veg or fruit juice contain a lot of chemicals and preservatives, they might make it sound realy healthy and yes it might be more healthy than other juices out there but once its manufactured and bottled you don't have any idea what it has in it. The bottle says it contains all vitamins and 5g of fibers but who is to say is true? Fresh veg juices loses its nutriental enzymes within 72 hours at the MOST, so imagine the bottled ones. Please don't feel like I'm arguing with you, I'm simply pointing out that any processed food is high in sugar and other preservatives, maybe drinking the V8 juice is more harm than good since there's all the chemicals in it to make it drinkable.
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MrsCich. Hubby and i have had that very discussion and finally solved it with help from a nurse at my family dr office (a 10 year survivor) NO, I do NOT have cancer. I was diagnosed with it, had surgery which sucessfully removed it and now having adjuvant therapy to prevent a recurrence.
Fyi.... You are a cancer survivor the day you are diagnosed because it was not the cause of your death.
Just wanted to update this comment to say that I was the one who kept saying "I have BC" and hubby was the one who said I didn't. I have to give him kudos for being right (THIS TIME LOL). He had been at the Dr's office for a follow-up on something and got to talking to the PA and RN there about the "discussion" we were having about my status and the RN sent him home WITH A NOTE saying that he was right. I laughed so hard at that and when I saw her at my own appt a few weeks after that, I told her she can NEVER NEVER NEVER agree with him again and certainly not put it in writing!! -
Thank you PA. ☺
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PAeaglesFan~I love the answer you just gave mrscich! Great question and great answer!
Blessings
Paula -
Point taken, and it is a good point, Soyaandpepper. We are on the same team here after all. I just have a hard time to believe that the company making V8 juice will not be truthful on their containers as to what exactly is in there. Isn't it against the law to lie like that about your product? If inspectors analyze the contents and find discrepancies, there will be consequences. The company will be in big trouble, people will stop buying their product, etc. etc. However, I think I will be shopping for a juicer - have been playing with the idea for a while now. As you say, fresh is always the best, especially when you make it yourself.
PaEagles, thanks for that. It was great to hear!
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Wow what a discussion this weekend! I applaud all of you ladies for being so good about your diets. Going vegetarian, vegan, avoiding all processed foods and doing a lot of that yourselves. Keep it up.
I would like to do better on getting the processed stuff out of my house and I think I will start buying more organic in general. You all sound like you are relly enjoying the improved diets too. Thats the important thing. To enjoy it and to love the taste, AND be healthy.
As someone mentioned above it would be impossible for me to do what some of you are doing. I have three kids and a full time job. Convenience foods are the only way I can get by and still have some fun at home. I fell a little guilty about it sometimes but my kids get other benefits from having two working parents. I am not a cook either.
I also really like meat and really like alcohol. Not that i really ate all that much or drank all t hat much. Still I have changed the amounts somewhat... Not drinking at all during the week and eating more salads etc. but I love my filet mignon on Saturday night and I love having a drink or two or three on Friday and Saturday. I (and we) live such busy and stressful lives I just don't want to give up some of the fun. Especially now. I am not putting things off when I can do it now, I never know when I am going to get hit but a truck like breast cancer again. I might live 50 more years but I also might only live five so I am going to enjoy myself.
You ARE cancer free when you have had the surgery. Especially those who are node negative. The rest is insurance.
The pessimest in me isn't so sure about myself though. I had a lot of positive nodes and I would be somewhat surprised if the surgeon just happened to get all of them. My chemo didn't work quite as well as I hoped either. I am counting on the radiation and the hormones to take care of the rest.
Juneau. It's a really personal decision but I really hope you decide to continue. I know chemo sucks but it will be behind you soon enough and you will have that reassurance that you have really knocked breast cancer out with the best stuff out there. Good luck.
I ran a total of three miles again today. I am sore but a good sore. I also cleaned out my basement. I have a mountain of toys that the kids don't play with anymore that are going to the dump or to goodwill depending on the condition. Bedtime. Back to work tomorrow. I have my last planning appointment for radiation tomorrow.
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