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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2012

    cindyl - I love it. Who knew such a profound statement could be made referencing and old atari video game... :)

  • Scorchy
    Scorchy Member Posts: 240
    edited September 2012

    bevq49--thank you so very much.  This is a lousy disease.

    If anyone's been reading The Boob you know my particular revulsion to bad customer service.  And, you know, I have said many, many times how fortunate I am to be in NYC where I can get some of the best healthcare available in the world.  But the staff in both the oncology unit and the surgeon's office is just beyond the pale lazy, incompetent, and incapable of any critical thinking.  Period.

    Last week I called the surgeon's office for a wholly routine reason: to get medical records sent to a physician for a second opinion (I want to do my due diligence with regard to oncology).  Well, after being on hold for ten minutes, getting shuffled around and getting hung up on, etc., I got in contact with the office manager and he took my information and said he would take care of it right away.  After this I wrote a letter to him thanking him for this asssitance and pointed out the awful attitude of the staff.  I copied my surgeon.

    So I call the second opinion yesterday--and it turns out that they never received the records.  Nothing was faxed to them.  I call the surgeon's office.  And they ask me to fax over permission.  When I tell her that I don't have a fax machine I hear, "I can't help you if you don't have a fax machine."  (Just checking: it is 2012, right?) 

    I hung up the phone and just cried.  You have to deal with a goddamned disease that is trying to kill you and these incompetent numb skulls don't even try to help you.  I penned another letter to the office manager and surgeon.  I know the surgeon was away this week, so on Monday he'll come back to two letters from me.  I am convinced that no one knows the extent of this incompetence in the office. Even the office manager can't follow through.  And it doesn't differ at any other place, to tell you the truth.The oncology suite is an effing nightmare. All workflow is set up for the convenience of the staff, there is no patient-centered workflow at all.  None of them could think their way out of a wet paper bag with a hole started.

    So now I have to add to the nightmare I'm already living and, what, try to find a practice with a decent staff? I mean, how much effing time can you devote to this?  You can only take so much.

    As I told my surgeon, if my public service staff treated our clients with even a modicum of the inefficiency and incompetence I have experienced at the hands of my surgeon's office staff I would fire them on the spot.  On the spot!  And I don't serve people who have cancer; I serve scholars who use rare books and manuscripts.

  • Aruba
    Aruba Member Posts: 543
    edited September 2012

    Scorchy i do hear you and trust me you are also not alone in that arena either! I was just doing an exercise last night rating my BS, MO and RO as physicians alone and then agsin as all inclusive with staffs. On a scale of 1-10 numbers shifted both higher and lower due to staff. Often left hand does not know what right hand doing and we pay the price with unneeded additional stress. Hang on tight and rant here anytime!!

  • firestorm531
    firestorm531 Member Posts: 176
    edited September 2012

    Scorchy - that almost seems to be the norm in oncology offices...great doctors, lousy support staff.

    I met with  2 of my docs today (GYN for hot flashes and hot boob, since I was there) and met with my MO - both are concerned that an infection is trying to set in so they're putting me on antibiotics to be on the safe side.  MO also gave me fiornal for my 3 day old headache and said to take one the morning before my next round to prevent this from happening again and the GYN gave me some effexor for the hot flashes.  I swear, I look like i run a small pharmaceutical out of my bathroom!  hahaha

     Had a lovely nap and now that I've had a bite to eat, I may just take another one :) 

  • jpmomof3
    jpmomof3 Member Posts: 643
    edited September 2012

    Firestorm, so glad you got looked at for the redness. Hope you feel better soon.



    Scorchy, sorry you are having so many issues with your doctors staff. That unfortunately is not unusual especially if it is a large office. I have been going to small places and things seem to run smoother, it is an imperfect system to say the least. It's extra frustrating since a lot of these issues are easy to fix if people just give a shit. You shouldn't have to deal with that kind of aggravation on top of everything else.



    Love the robotron reference! Never played that one but I loved games when I ws a kid and still do for that matter!



    I don't regret my decisions about surgery. Sometimes I second guess just a bit but not really and not for long, I just hate this whole damn process.

  • bevg49
    bevg49 Member Posts: 739
    edited September 2012

    Scorchy, office help in a doctor's office does not get paid a lot. Unfortunately, you get what you pay for. It's kind of like security at the airport. Not very good but again, you get what you pay for..... It's sad though when you're going through enough crapola as it is with this fucking disease. Sorry you have to deal with a bunch of incompetents also. Try to maintain your cool and just focus on what's important. You might never find an office staff that's adequate. Just make sure the doctor's are.

  • Cottontail
    Cottontail Member Posts: 374
    edited February 2013

    Jpmom... Interesting about the connection between hypothyroidism and bc. There is zero history of bc in my family, but major history of hypothyroidism.



    This is something I will have to look into more.




    Aruba, I have been reading the Summer rads thread, as many ladies in my chemo group went on to that thread, but I'll join the Fall thread now. I have my simulation in two weeks.

  • Aruba
    Aruba Member Posts: 543
    edited September 2012

    Glad to hear you got meds Firestorm!  I lost patience at 3 and called about the rads clincal trial.  They do know that i will be in the traditional 6-7 weeks of normal dose radiation but they can't get their act together on when.  They think I'll get a call next week for mapping and perhaps start on 9/17..we shall see. Cottontail, glad you will join us.  Everyone have a physical and mental rest this weekend...think we can all use one!

  • teeballmom
    teeballmom Member Posts: 322
    edited September 2012

    Wow, on the subject of thyroids.  I have a swollen thyroid and my ONC sent me a few months ago for a biopsy that luckily came back as benign and she said once my chemo is over with, we'll deal with my thyroid then.  Thing is, I never had a thyroid problem until BC.  In fact I had a thorough medical exam last Oct 2011 (I say thorough but the tests totally missed the 2.5 cm BC tumor in the right breast - so go figure), and my thyroid supposedly was ok back then.  As so many of you have said, this disease just keeps on giving.

    Scorchy:  I'm so sorry you're having to deal with this on top of everything else. I'm hoping it goes better for you next week.

    I'm so tired right now I can't keep my eyes open.  

    Hoping everyone has a great weekend.

    Take care.

  • Tazzy
    Tazzy Member Posts: 2,546
    edited September 2012

    Hope everyone manages to have minimal SE's this weekend.   Find your happy and cherish it.   

    Busy weekend for us.   DH is going to chop wood for the winter - we have a wood fire at home.   I will go up the bush with my camera and book.  wont be able to help him this time but will be nice out in the open.   Just getting ready to go and view a new camper we are in the market for then off to dinner somewhere... not sure where yet.  

    Peace and love to everyone xxx

  • stride
    stride Member Posts: 470
    edited September 2012

    Tazzy, jealous of your weekend! It sounds idyllic.

  • Tazzy
    Tazzy Member Posts: 2,546
    edited September 2012

    Well the camper didn't turn out to be the 'one'.... but that's OK there are plenty on the market.   Had dinner at Swiss Chalet... was OK.   New one just opened near us.

    Off now to bed and watch some tv before an early start tomorrow... .all about the R&R stride Wink

    Everyone enjoy your weekends.

  • Ellendou
    Ellendou Member Posts: 139
    edited September 2012

    Good night all, have a great day tomorrow.

    Think I will be brave and drive into Grande Pairie on sunday (its only an hour) and spend the day with my youngest , it is her Birthday.  I have not done any highway driving since this journey started, better get back in the drivers seat.

  • juneaubugg
    juneaubugg Member Posts: 951
    edited September 2012

    So I never got to bread making today.... I left pilates feeling really good. My instructor welcomed me back with a big hug, and then asked the class to welcome me back following my surgery. I felt self conscious, but ten minutes into the class I was so hot I took my little cloth hat off. A couple women cancer over afterward and told me how great I looked, although they "different know what you looked like with your hair". Anyway, I left feeling triumphant (although out of shape-ouch!).



    So, I should mention my energy level all day was really bad, so I didn't really eat anything except a bowl of cereal. By the time I got home from my class I was experiencing the worst neseau I have had in years... It lasted until 1 AM. ... So there was no bread baking at my friends place this morning as I was sleeping.



    I have to be honest ladies, this past week sucked. I have been an emotional mess and really stick in my head about how I look. I was watching obamas speech the other night and every tinge the pan out to the audience ask I can do is notice all the women with great hair, out no hair....im HAIR OBSESSED! I miss my beautiful long hair so fucking much I can't say. I think I miss it more then my right breast... Yes, I do, there I said it....I MISS IT MORE THEN MY BREAST! I am trying do fucking hard to be ok, to hold my head up high, to remember this is temporary... But damn it, I'm fucking pissed and I want my hair back now! I font want to finish my last two treatments, I don't want to have been diagnosed with breast cancer, I JUST WANT MY FUCKING LIFE BACK!



    I have gone to Gildas Club/ cancer community network and will be joining their support group that meets every Thursday. I am hoping it will help with my desire to isolate and hide out from the world. We shall see. Regardless I'm doing the best I can with what I have, but aren't we all? I'm half way through my treatments already, I Judy have to make it through two more. I've got it easy compared to many... Where is my faith, my spirituality, my strength. Yes, rough week.



    Do I have rescheduled the bread date for next week. I am going to my therapist tomorrow, and then having friends over. Sunday is a friend baby shower, and then Monday night I have my Look good, Feel better class, so I'm am keeping myself busy and in the land of the living in spite of myself.



    I am now going to read over the least 24 hours of this thread and will most likely have to write another post after that.... But I just wanted to get an update/rant out first. This first will post chemo SUCKS!



    Also was wondering in the middle of all this yesterday where mcook is....?

  • Soyaandpepper
    Soyaandpepper Member Posts: 368
    edited September 2012

    juneaubugg-I'm really sorry about what a sucky week you've had! Yes, this FUCKING cancer sucks and when you think its over, it keeps on giving! Just have to keep telling yourself that this chemo is killing every cancer cell that is left in your body and only that could make it OK to lose all your hair. At least you're half way down and 2 more to go, great that you're keeping yourself busy the next few days. Sometimes I wish that I never had cancer either and just wanted my old life back. It'll never be back to normal as we know it, but a NEW kind of normal where I think about cancer everyday but try to move on from it. Sending you BIGGGG ((((((HHHHUUUUGGGGSSSSS))))))) and hope that you enjoy the next few days with friends and family.

  • juneaubugg
    juneaubugg Member Posts: 951
    edited September 2012

    Soya... Thanks. Hugs gratefully received.



  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2012

    Juneaubugg's~I think I understand just a bit of how you feel about the hair. I've had no treatment yet, but starting arimidex on Monday, and thanks to this site, and all of you, my incredible sisters, I know how to prepare myself.

    By the time I get around to chemo I will be 62. I wore my hair in a Dorothy Hamill for many years, but 3 years ago my husband & I almost divorced. When we decided to work it out, I decided to let my hair grow, because he loved my hair long. It's auburn, and I can wear it so many different ways. Ive found that I enjoy it probably more than he does. I like that, on lazy days I can just wear a long side braid, and I usually sleep with it in a loose braid. I figure that by the time treatment is done and it could grow back to this length I'll be 65, and maybe too old for long hair, so YES, I hate losing my hair a whole lot more than losing a breast.



    I will say that you, my friend, are very pretty in your pic with the buzz. I'm older, & heavier, and I dread this so much.



    Wow...I usually can't cry. Even when my sister died in feb. I couldn't cry, and just typing this post, I'm trying to read through the tears, so I think this is good. Tears are both cleansing and healing. I've always been the strong one in the family. As a Christian with a tremendous amount of faith, a wife, mama, grandmother, sister, aunt, niece, I'm the one everyone calls on when the going gets rough. They call me for prayer, money, transportation, to be their secretary, and even to solve their arguments for them, to encourage them, and boost them when theyre down. Right now, I'd just love for one of them to be there for me. I guess because I'm not into treatment yet, they don't think I need anything. My church family are willing to do whatever I need, but sometimes you just need your relatives to step up.



    Oh my goodness, thanks for letting me vent. I feel so much better now.



    God Bless you ALL

    Paula

  • Cindyl
    Cindyl Member Posts: 1,194
    edited September 2012

    They don't call it a woman's crowning glory for nothing ladies.  Don't feel bad about mourning that loss. With luck and time it will grow back, nicer than ever but for right now the bad hair day blues are a song you have every right to sing.  This damn disease takes so much from everyone.  Hairloss is just a crowning insult.  Salt in the wound as it were.  I've been lucky, no chemo so most of my hair is still with me, but with every brush stroke tamoxifen makes it's presence known.  I know what Gallagher meant when he mourned the grey hair in the sink.  Yeah it was grey, but it was a hair!

  • jpmomof3
    jpmomof3 Member Posts: 643
    edited September 2012

    Great tamoxifen thins hair? Sheez i am just starting to grow it back. I get to lose more again when i start tamoxifen. Man the things we have to do to try to kill cancer. Man I am so very sick of this stuff too. My chest was drawn on with multiple colored markers by two twenty something's with all their hair and by the time they were done I looked like an abstract three year olds drawing. I am with you guys. I fucking hate this.



    Fridays were always my bad mood day when I was on chemo and it seems to continue. My mood is better than yesterday but I just want this nightmare behind me. There seem like endless phases with this. I know I have the worst behind me but with radiation and tamoxifen looming I just feel like it will never end.



    Big hugs to you Juneau. None of this is fair.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited September 2012

    Cindy~I had seen Gallagher with no hair. He had always worn his hair long before, and I wondered if he had cancer or if just like so many men nowadays, both young & old, he just decided to go bald.

    I haven't seen him for a long time. Is he still around?



    Blessings

    Paula

  • Scorchy
    Scorchy Member Posts: 240
    edited September 2012

    ::Juneau. Scream it, baby!  We're all with you: I HATE CANCER!

    I see all of these pictures of women without their hair--you included--and I think, "But they're so pretty--even without the crowning glory."  And that's when I get nervous about hair loss:  I'm not fit, I'm fat--haven't seen too many fat bald women.  Not quite Jabba the Hut, but the comparisons aren't lost on me.  I think I will embrace the wig or knit some caps.  Or maybe I can knit hair!  I cant imagine how hard it must be to experience hair loss

    :: Soteria. I, too, have been struck by how friends (near and far) have rallied around me, but my family--with the exception of mom and my sister (to a lesser degree)--have been absent.  Not only absent, but they haven't even acknowledged that I have cancer.  I get feeling uncomfortable and awkward, but it isn't about you, relatives, its about US right now.

    And something that Juneau mentioned about support groups: I am going to try to attend a Stage IV suppoirt group via SHARE.  I am not sure how Ill deal with that, because I've never been much of a group joiner by nature, but in this new universe, perhaps it will help me deal.  Believe me, I don't think that any biopsies are going togrant me any reprieves.  Gotta deal.

    Scorchy

  • Cindyl
    Cindyl Member Posts: 1,194
    edited September 2012

    Gallagher is still around, but has had several heart attacks in the last year and retired from stage performances.  He's my guilty pleasure, when he gets the mallet out and starts smashing watermelons, I'm ten again laughing  hysterically.  Maybe I need to schedule a Gallagher hour every week.

  • Pinkninja
    Pinkninja Member Posts: 4
    edited September 2012

    Hi I just joined. I was diagnosed this past June at 35 after feeling a lump ( thank god I paid attention). It was already in my lymph nodes so I have undergone a double mastectomy with tissue expanders and had my second round of A/C chemo. Trying to stay positive but periodically getting those waves of panic thinking of my twin 3 yr old girls that need their mom! So I have no option but to win this fight like the pink ninja I am lol. Reading through the posts definitely makes me feel stronger and not alone. I'm hating the chemo but keep thinking its temporary and radiation should be a breeze afterwards right!?! Anyway just wanted to say hi since I am reading through all your stories, wishing everyone the best!

  • stride
    stride Member Posts: 470
    edited September 2012

    Hello Pinkninja, welcome to the board. I understand why you would feel panicky. But it sounds like you are doing the things you need to do to be able to be there as your little girls grow up. Just keep putting one foot in front of the other with your treatment.

    Juneaubugg, it does seem like hair is kind of represntative of the cancer for a lot of people. It's the most outwardly obvious sign of an illness that is otherwise invisible to the outside world. So sometimes it affects the way we feel about ourselves and present ourselves to the outside world. One thing that has really helped me: buying some hats from Headcoves.com and the American Cancer Society's TLC site. Every morning I get up and play around with which hat to wear with my outfit. I feel a like a little girl playing dress-up. It's fun! 

    My boss, who has been fantastic through this, has been encouraging me to wear colorful headscarves because she thinks they look stylish and cute. I still prefer my hats though. :-)

    A woman who used to have long hair put this video on YouTube about how to wear a headscarf in a way that makes it feel a bit more like long hair. She uses hair ties. I love this method because it is easy, secure and I can play around with it a bit, as if I was fixing my hair.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaPNix3z-Aw&feature=related

    Hope this helps a bit. Just remember your hair will grow back! 

  • marianelizabeth
    marianelizabeth Member Posts: 1,735
    edited September 2012

    Wow, I am out of it this morning. I meant to copy/paste on this thread but somehow put it on the August surgery one. Oh well now I am getting on the IDC one!

    Just wanted to add my post surgery notes.

    OK, have to admit to copy/paste here but as you will see below, I aleady screwed up on losing long posts today! I wrote ealier this AM for the September thread ss there were 4 of us for surgery yesterday and one the day before.

    Hi Everyone: I have lost two posts so far today but may be due to not being all together "with the program" post op! I think I try to make sure there aren't any mistakes and then click something in the wrong place as in the last one when I did a preview first. So, I did have my lumpectomy, called partial mastecomy on my consent, along with the SNB yesterday. The nuclear med injection was almost painless and lasted only a couple of seconds; so much for my anxiety over it. The first IV attempt was much worse but thankfully the second one done by the anesthetist was better. My surgeon visited me before I left for home and she found a second small lump about 1 cm from the first and also a couple of the nodes she described as pearly looking; not a good sign I am thinking. It could take as long as 10 business days for my pathology reports but am so happy to have the surgery over with. I had a friend with me and she hung out after I got home until my sons got off work because I felt so awful. Her nurse daugher dropped by too and is coming over on Sunday to take off the first dressing. No showers for a week. It is great to have our young adults sons living at home right now - they both hung out with me for awhile and took good care of me last night. My husband comes home on Monday.

    Now that I am post op I look forward to sharing more of the DCI posts with you all and thanks so far for so much info. One thing I don't know anything about is the DCIS which was on my core biopsy result. Nothing to think about or waht?

    SmileMarian 

  • mcook301
    mcook301 Member Posts: 509
    edited September 2012

    Jpmom and juneau - god your posts about this fucking disease helped me today because this week has been a rough one for me as well! I handled chemo well but now I just want my hair back! Agreed I think I miss that more than my boobs! I know I am only 2.5 weeks out of surgery but I have never been so tired in all my life. My body is so stiff I feel like I have aged 30 years. Will this go away or do I have to live with this:( I walked twice this week and had to take daily naps. I just want to go back to work and stop being in pain! I can deal with a lot but back pain and joint pain has knocked me down so hard.



    I have my prescription for hormone therapy and I have yet to fill it! Just another fucking thing that keeps on giving us shity side effects! I am so tempted to take my chances on rads and this! Say fuck it! Sorry I am just so pissed off right now. I don't know why my bf stays w me as I am definitely not a lot of fun these days. Maybe I have slipped into a bit of being depressed after surgery because my positive attitude just went out the window today!



    at least I have all you who understand and thank you! When I try and explain to my family how I am feeling they just try and give me advice on what to do. I know they don't understand all this and I try not to get mad but I don't need them giving me advice I just need them to listen.



  • Moonflwr912
    Moonflwr912 Member Posts: 6,856
    edited September 2012

    On strides video link, if you go to related videos, there is a very good video with the tshirt cap and how to. So thanks stride.

    Marian, glad you got through surgery and are doing well. Dcis is ductal carcinoma in situ. It's stage zero, and 50% of it never goes to invasive. Unfortunatly, no one knows which 50% will, so they like to remove it all.

  • tina_jason
    tina_jason Member Posts: 147
    edited September 2012

    marian- Glad to hear your surgery is behind you and that you have your sons with you to take care of you.  In answer to your question, my second surgery was called a re-excision.  My surgeon was not comfortable with the margins after the first surgery (too close to where the cancerous tissue was) so he went back in to take more tissue.  For whatever reason (I will never fully know) my second surgery didn't want to heal.  3 weeks after surgery I opened back up.  Eventually it opened completely and my surgeon began a wet to dry pack.  I did this for 13 days with slow results, then they put me on a wound vac for 3 weeks, with great success.  I have been off the wound vac for a week and a half and my wound is almost closed (less than a centimeter).  I am cleaning it and dressing it just like you would a regular cut or brush burn.  It no longer has depth to it (when i started all this it was 3 cm. deep).  So now I am able to finally start radiation (I hope!). 

    10 days is a long time to wait for pathology.  I hope you get it sooner.  I actually did chemo before I had my surgery.  The radiation for me is the final step in this healing process.  I hope you continue to heal well from your surgery and am praying for good path results for you.

  • liefie
    liefie Member Posts: 2,440
    edited September 2012

    Dear Mcook,

    So happy to hear from you again! Yes, the mood swings we have on this crazy rollercoaster! It comes and goes, and in the end the bad moods come less and less frequently, I promise. As someone two months out on the other side of treatment I can truly say that my moods are back to 'normal', which I guess is different for everybody. So hang in there, cry and rant when you have to, and let out the bad feelings. This cancer business is the pits, and there is nothing nice about it. IT SUCKS. Period. But it will pass. It feels like forever, but it will pass. Time marches on regardless, and eventually marches away from the cancer. Yeah! The Tamoxifen may not be so bad either; I started taking it on Aug.1, and so far only have a few hot flushes daily.

    Juneaubugg: I felt exactly like you about my hair. I didn't want to lose my hair, didn't ask for it, was so sad, and then so hopping mad about the scarves, hats, wig that I had to wear. One tries to put on a brave face, but you and everybody else know all the time that you have cancer, and that you are different from them. Weird thing is, the moment I realized that my hair was really growing back again, I turned the corner, threw away all hats, scarves, etc. and my sadness about my bald head disappeared. Hang in there, sista! You are halfway there, and will be done with chemo before you know it. Good luck with the bread baking next week!

    Marianeliza: Hi there from Vanc. Island! Hear you about the sons living at home. One of mine lived at home earlier this year when I went through chemo. His sense of humour never wavered, and every morning before work he would come into the kitchen, look at me and say, 'So Mom, how is your cancer today?' Some people may find this shocking, but he did not shy away from the fact that his mom had cancer, this directness was his way of dealing with it, and we thought it was hilarious. As we were waiting for my hair to start falling out, he would tug at it every day to test it. One morning he tugged again, and the next moment he came away holding quite a sizable tuft of hair in his hand. The panicked expression on his face was priceless, he apologized profusely, and I just laughed and laughed. He just made things so much better, and would lift my mood just by being his funny self. Enjoy your boys, and let them take care of you. Hope the path report will be good!    

  • chrissera
    chrissera Member Posts: 79
    edited September 2012

    Hello All. Well I am 10 days PFC and feeling great. I am going back to work Monday after being away totally for the last two months.  I can't stay home and watch the walls any more!  I Met with the MO and BS yesterday and got have good news - the neoadjuvant chemo has done it's job and the tumor has shrunk.  It is almost invisible on the MRI Now!  So I have decided to go with a lumpectomy.  Both MO and BS recommended it based on my result.  I decided I went through the chemo first for a reason and that was to shrink the tumor.  The BS was wonderful and would support me if I chose to do the full MX but he did state that once you do MX you can't go back.  He said if we do lumpectomy now and I am not comfortable or unhappy with the way it looks I can do the MX later.  I do have to have an ANLD though due to positive nodes via biopsy in April. 

    I think I am more scared of the surgery than the chemo.  Does anyone have advice on what to expect for the lumpectomy?  The BS gave me all of the information and I have read all kinds of stuff, but I am looking for what it is really like?  What kind of bra will I need when I am done?  Any thoughts on the recovery time?  

     I know that I do not post alot on here, but I am always following and praying for everyone.  I am not good the "posting thing" or at mentioning everyone by name -- until I was diagnosed, I never used the computer for anything other than paying bills at home because I am on it all day at work.  My best to those in chemo and wishing you minimal SEs this week and to those recovering from surgery, rest and get well!    The twists and turns of this journey are what make us stronger!  My MO said it has a been a while since he met someone with such a positive attitude as I have towards my situation, but what else can I do?  We will all make it through this!  I take inspriation from my mother, the strongest woman I know, who has buried two sons, a son in law and my father and taken care of all of them until the end!  God bless all of you!  

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