TC and permanent follicle damage
Not asking anyone to decide for me, but I can anyone give me their experience with 4 X Taxotere/Cytoxan as to hair loss and possible perm hair follicle damage. I sure like the though of 12 weeks vs 24 weeks...
Cold caps are a possibility but seem like alot of work yet I am scared to almost death by the thought hair might never return.
Thanks in advance for your insights.
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Internutz, I did 4 cycles of TC earlier this year. My hair fell out towards the end of the first cycle. My chemo ended on May 7, my head was totally bald, and then I started agonizing about whether it would ever grow again or not. It was 8 long weeks before some fluff appeared on my head around the first week of July. The hair took off growing like you wouldn't believe, and I am not wearing scarves, hats etc. anymore except for a sunhat. Now and then I put on the wig, but it is so hot that I cannot keep it on for long, so I go topless most of the time now.
There you have my experience. I only found out that with Taxotere my hair might not grow back at all after it had already fallen out; my oncologist did not say a word about it. Taxotere is a bit like Russian roulette. It is an excellent drug, but there is a 3 - 6% chance your hair won't grow again. It is a small chance, and I am actually glad that I was not faced with that decision. Don't know what I would have done; however, I believe that oncologists should inform patients of this possibility so that they can make their own decision.
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Liefie,
Thank you so so sooooo much. I hadn't found any percentages regarding the permanent hairloss. The Penguin caps are an option, but sound so complicated as I live a good 75 miles from the hospital and that would require pulling off the freeway to change caps mid ride. My MO DID tell me, but didn't mention how often this perm damage is seen.
You kindness in replying is a real help to me!!! Best of everything....
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Hi, internutz1. I'm sorry that you're faced with this.
Tomorrow is my one year anniversary of my final chemo. I had Taxotere and Cytoxan x 4. My MO never told me about the risk of permanent hair loss; I found out about it on my own after I was well into my treatments. I was never completely bald, but almost. I started to get a little bit of growth after my third chemo and I always had to shave my legs at least once in the 3 weeks that separated each infusion. That gave me hope that perhaps I wouldn't be one of those who gets permanent hair loss. About four weeks after my final chemo, I started to get fluff all over my head like a baby chick. My hair is now about 6 inches long and curly as can be. My arm hair has returned to normal, but it took awhile. The hair on my legs grows fast and is a different texture than it was before chemo. My eyebrows and eyelashes thinned considerably during treatment. My eyelashes are about 75% of what they used to be, but my eyebrows are still the sluggish part. They're definitely growing because I have to tweeze the strays; however, the lack of fullness is very noticeable. I have to use a pencil to make them appear thicker. I had very healthy eyebrows before chemo, so I'm hoping they will return to their pre-chemo look one day. I've also heard the statistic of 6% of those treated with Taxotere will experience permanent hair loss. I definitely think that MO's should discuss this possibility with women before treatment. There are a couple of other threads on here that talk about Taxotere and permanent hair loss so you might want to read through those as well.
Good luck!
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Thanks LintRollerDerby.... sounds like we have to "buck up" and do the Penguin Cold Caps. I was reading the Taxotere per hair loss thread when you replied. Sure doesn't sound like 6% on that thread but I understand people may be more likely to discuss hair loss over regrowth. 6% doesn't sound like alot, but I cast the dice once too often on not getting mammograms and now I feel that my luck has kinda run out.
Thanks so much for taking the time to respond.
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I'm also inclined to believe that the real statistic is probably higher than 6%, but I realize that the ones who experience a problem are likely to be more vocal than the ones who didn't. While 6% may not sound like a very big risk to some, those of us diagnosed (especially if there are other unlucky components to our diagnosis) have already drawn a short straw and are much more attuned to not being one of the lucky ones.
I know the 24 weeks is daunting, but you may want to talk to your MO about the Taxol. I don't know much about it with regards to the risk for permanent hair loss, but have heard that it's less likely to cause that.
Best of luck!
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Hello,
I just completed TCx4 on July 19. I went very nearly bald - just a very few hairs at the front stayed with me throughout. Ask your MO about the cold caps and the potential for recurrence as this is an issue that prevents some from making that choice. I had extremely thick, long and curly hair until day 14 and then it began to fall out and by day 19 was all but gone. I have had hair regrowth at the end of each 3 week period and 1 month after last infusion I have the beginnings of hair, not enough to call hair from any distance
. No one would say I was anything but bald but there are tufts and I look forward to many more. My MO said the cold caps do not work well but that is one opinion. You know what kind of person you are. In the end, what risk are you comfortable with? This is very personal. I wouldn't presume to decide for someone else. In this instance I decided on a slash and burn approach. Many others have chosen, rightly, another path. I find that witha diagnosis we are faced with a great many "bad" choices and few that stand out as clearly wonderfully "right". Choose what you can live with. You'll have my support and good wishes either way.
VVH
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VVH - see my MO said the cold caps don't work with FAC, but hair growth would start with the Taxol portion of treatment. She has seen great success with the caps with the TC regimen. You're right about having bad choices all around.
I may have to take the "gypsy" way out and use a pendulum to decide - all of this thinking is driving me crazy.
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I did TC x 4 and did use cold caps. I kept my hair though it was thinner than before I started chemo. I never had to wear a wig or anything. I knew my hair was thinner, but it looked normal to everyone else. I am glad I used the cold caps. It was not about vanity - it was about looking and feeling a little normal during a time when NOTHING was normal in my life. I don't regret using the caps at all. I have photos in my blog of my results.
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@internutz, there's an entire thread about taxotere and permanent hair loss in the chemotherapy forum. I found information that the manufacturer provided to the Canadian health care system--about 3% of the participants in the clinical trial had persistent hair loss. There's a link to that info in the other thread. My oncologist originally suggested TCx4, but when I found out about the possibility of ending up bald I asked him what my other options were. I'm doing CMF for 6 months instead of TC.
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My hairdresser told me about bee pollen shampoo. Some of her cancer patients have used it and have experienced rapid hair growth after chemo. I am on weekly taxol and I started using the shampoo this week. Hopefully I will see some hair growth soon. I just had my third infusion.
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MDG - thanks for your response. I read your blog and was touched and inspired. Thanks for taking the time to document your experience.
CURVEBALL - I decided yesterday to go the TC route with cold caps! I just can't see doing 6 months - then radiation.....yick
LOLA0415 - Thanks for the heads up on the bee pollen shampoo idea! Hope it goes well for you.
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@internutz1, I'm just glad I found that information about taxotere, so I wasn't making a decision in the dark, and I point people to it so they are not deciding blindly either. Not all oncologists tell people about the possibility of permanent baldness. Now that you have gotten the facts and made a decision about your treatment, I bet you feel relieved. I know I did!
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Just want to chime in here as I had AC&T - got really bad neuropathy after my first taxol, so onc switched me to Taxotere, which is easier on the neuropathy (and it was). However, I never did find out about the permanent hair loss that Taxotere could result in, my onc didn't know it either. This was all 3 yrs. ago, and apparently it was well hidden on the drug manufacturers onsite page, but not relayed to the oncs. While I do have hair, it is much finer and sparser than when I started out. My avatar shows it and I suppose to most it looks ok, but I definitely see the difference. When I wash it and comb it you can literally see my scalp in many areas until it dries. It is also much harder to style as I have to make sure the thinner areas are well covered. Eyebrows never came back as full nor did eyelashes. I still have absolutely no hair anywhere else on my body. I definitely attribute all of this to Taxotere. Being TN, my onc wanted me to go as aggressive as possible as it would be my only chance. I am glad that I did, and would probably do it all over again, but it does come with its downside as well. That being said, I also want to add that I am most grateful to still be here 3 1/2 years later, thinner hair or not. Wishing all of the best always,
Linda
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LRM216 - thanks for telling me your story. I know hair is a weird thing to worry about - but when loss can be permanent I think it's devastating. I am glad my MO told me tho she did stress it was a small number.
robo47 Thanks for the link. I guess my MO felt she needed to tell me, but did downplay it and I don't think that is something that should be downplayed no matter how small the percentage. I thnk almost any woman would want to know the options.
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If you have questions about cold caps, please PM me! I am happy to help out if I can.
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I too was not told there was any risk of permanent hair loss. I just finished round 4 of 6 so I won't know for a while if or how my hair will grow back. I found out about this by accident on this site (breastcancer.org).
We need to be vocal about this. When we get a prescription, we get a drug fact sheet. When we get chemo drugs, we aren't given anything. Doctors should advise their patients about the risks and any alternatives. This is despicable, that doctors who know this don't inform their patients in advance. I too was told the hair would come back. Period.
Maybe I still would have chosen to go with the Taxotere, I don't know. But I would have felt 100% better knowing in advance what the risks were.
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