Gene deletion drives more than a quarter of breast cancers

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2012

    Oh my God !

    "The finding has important clinical implications. It suggests that several existing drugs may be effective in treating breast cancers with missing NF1; it also suggests that the commonly used breast cancer drug tamoxifen could make the disease worse in these specific cancers."

    Thanks CP418 ! 

  • curveball
    curveball Member Posts: 3,040
    edited August 2012

    Yes, but is there a test to tell us whether we have this gene deletion or not? I'd sure like to know that before deciding on a hormone therapy.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2012

    Exactly Curveball, when will that test be available ?????  long long overdue !!!

  • Lee7
    Lee7 Member Posts: 657
    edited August 2012

    I looked up NF1, and this website explains how to know if you have it, or rather don't have that gene.

    One sign is having cafe-au-lait spots on your skin.  It actually sounds rare to be missing the gene so I wonder how the article comes up with the 'quarter of bc' is driven by this. 

    http://www.understandingnf1.org/id/int_id_hii.html

     I really wish I studied more science. There is so much to learn out there.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2012

    Lee, you can pat yourself on the back that you know more about BC than most GPs Wink thanks for a most helpful post

    Now, I just had to go and find a pic of a cafe-au-lait spot...and I HAVE ONE !!! on my right upper thigh staring me right in the face

    Is anyone NOT a hypochondriac yet Cool 

    “The cell’s intracellular cytoplasmic sea is an ocean of symphonic motion awash with incomprehensible complexity.” Howes, M.D., Ph.D

  • curveball
    curveball Member Posts: 3,040
    edited August 2012

    Whoa there! the site linked by Lee7 is about a disease, neurofibromatosis, caused by a mutation of the NF1 gene, but the study is about a deletion of the gene. I'm pretty sure a mutation and a deletion are two different things. The study says more than a quarter of breast cancers have this deletion. If the deletion and the mutation were the same thing, shouldn't more than a quarter of breast cancer patients also have neurofibromatosis?

  • AnnNYC
    AnnNYC Member Posts: 4,484
    edited August 2012

    Curveball, you're correct -- the mutation in the NF1 gene that causes the disease neurofibromatosis is NOT a deletion -- it's more like a "different spelling."



    Actually, a deletion is a kind of mutation -- other types of mutations include "insertion," "substitution" and "transposition" -- similar to all the kinds of typos a typist can make: drop a letter (deletion), add a letter (insertion), replace a correct letter with one that doesn't belong (substitution), switch the position of two letters (transposition).




    But you're right that the NF1 mutation causing neurofibromatosis and cafe au lait spots is not the same as the deletion of the NF1 gene known to be associated with some cancers -- apparently now including BC.


    (transposition).

  • curveball
    curveball Member Posts: 3,040
    edited August 2012

    @AnnNYC, I got the impression from the article that with cancers, the entire gene was deleted (like dropping a word or even a whole sentence), not just one or more base pairs (comparable to dropping a letter or letters). I'm thinking also that with cancer, the deletion (whether of a few genetic letters or an entire word or sentence) takes place only in the tumor cells, whereas the neurofibromatosis mutation is in all the cells of an affected person's body and can be passed on to their descendants. Is that what it sounded like to you too?

  • Lee7
    Lee7 Member Posts: 657
    edited August 2012

    curveball and AnnNYC,

    I read the original article and the info on the link I posted and I understand better the difference between a mutation and a deletion.  It also makes more sense now. 

    I'm sorry if my link caused more confusion!   

  • mdw38
    mdw38 Member Posts: 2
    edited August 2012

    Hello everyone.  I am the lead author on the research article this thread is about.  It's great to see news of the research spreading.  This has the potential to help a lot of people.  I'll try to clear up some confusion in this thread about the findings.

    The Nf1 gene is named after the neurofibromatosis disease, because inherited mutations in Nf1 cause the disease.  The disease neurofibromatosis is associated with increased breast cancer risk.  However, our research data is about all breast cancer patients, not just those with Neurofibromatosis.  

    The loss of NF1 in 27.7% of all breast cancer patients refers to a few things:
    Spontaneous somatic loss of either one or both copies of the Nf1 gene OR point mutations in the gene. (English Translation in context: A breast cell lost at least 1 of 2 copies of the Nf1 gene.  This loss was a major driver in transforming the breast cell into a cancerous one, which then formed a tumor.  This is not inherited loss of Nf1 in the entire body like the Neurofibromatosis disease.  We also found that loss of Nf1 occurred primarily through deletion of the gene, though ~4% of cases also had point mutations (single DNA base pair changes). 

    Why do we think Nf1 is being lost so frequently?  
    1. It's big, which makes it more prone to mutations.  
    2. It has fragile sites around it, making the DNA prone to breaking there.  
    3. It is at a place on the chromosome where the cell pauses while making a copy of the DNA, waits, and then continues making a copy of the DNA.

    Why is this finding important?
    Spontaneous loss of Nf1 in such a high percentage of breast tumors has major implications for treatment.  As the article and others here in this thread have pointed out, loss of Nf1 increases resistance to the standard tamoxifen treatment.  Additionally, we found that these tumors are sensitive to drugs targeting the pathways Nf1 is involved in.  There are drugs in clinical trials for use in breast cancer that target the pathways that Nf1 is involved in.  With 1.5 million new cases of breast cancer each year, these Nf1 findings have the potential to help ~383,000 breast cancer patients.

    Is there currently an Nf1 test?
    Yes and No.
    Tests can be done for ANY gene in a tumor (including Nf1).  But the clinic is just beginning to catch up to research.  Testing breast tumors for Nf1 is not currently routine, though it would be as simple as a qPCR reaction.  Hopefully, genomic technologies will be implemented on a wide-spread basis in the near future so that every gene in the genome is examined at the same time, rather than on a gene-by-gene basis.  In some places, this technology is being made available in limited forms.  

  • jenrio
    jenrio Member Posts: 558
    edited August 2012

    mdw, thanks for the very good explanation.   Congratulations for your new PHD!   Best wishes for your new career in research.

  • cp418
    cp418 Member Posts: 7,079
    edited August 2012

    mdw - thank you very much for visiting this site.  It means alot to communicate with us patients. Each day we look forward wondering when there will ever be better treatments.  We seek to improve long term survival and minimize some of the horrible side effects with the current treatments.  QOL can be very difficult following chemo and for others with option to use hormonal therapies.  We are grateful to all the researchers seeking to save lives.

  • mdw38
    mdw38 Member Posts: 2
    edited August 2012

    Thank you, cp418.  With the improvement and implementation of genomic technologies and targeted therapies, the next decade looks very promising for personalized treatments.

  • pebee
    pebee Member Posts: 317
    edited August 2012

    Thank you and if you are doing further research including testing for the gene I am sure that there are a lot of volunteers here. Please come back and visit us again

  • ladystaraz
    ladystaraz Member Posts: 1
    edited August 2012

    MDW38

    This is a VERY imortant article to me...... I have NF1 I am a 'mutant' there is no family history of NF1.  I just had a double Mastectomy due to 2 different kinds of breast cancer found in my left brest 1st was dcis-insitu er/pr negative there were 2 of these they found 1 of them on the initial mamo gram and the 2nd on a MRI and during the surgery.  the 2nd cancer was a HER2 positive I found this one it was on the side of my breast almost under my armpit could not caputre on the mamo  gram.

     I am scheduled to see my oncologist on 9/6, my surgeon said that most likely I would be put on Tamoxafin after my treatments. but now I have concerns because i have NF1 and I dont want to piss off the HER2 positive cancer.   my doctor feels confident she got all the cancer as she took extra tissue under my arm and i had a radical double mastectom even though there was no right breast involvement did not want to take any chances.

    thank you~

  • keetmom
    keetmom Member Posts: 432
    edited October 2012

    I too was just diagnosed with early BC and I have NF1....Im concerned about radiation and now I guess I also need to worry about the Tamoxafin..I will see what the surgeon says on Friday....

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