I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • YramAL
    YramAL Member Posts: 1,651
    edited August 2012

    I also do not think that I could have an abortion. I do think that it is ending a life, and I don't think I could have made that choice. Thank goodness I never did have to make that choice. 

    Having said that, I do NOT think abortion should be illegal. Why should I tell other woman they can't have that choice even though it was one I wouldn't have made?

    Drinking to fingers.....

    Mary 

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  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited August 2012

    Athena - funny you should mention this about parentage.  A couple I knew adopted a baby born of a rape.  When that male child grew into a teenager, he tried to murder his mother via strangulation.  It was over something trivial.  Luckily a third party intervened.

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  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited August 2012

    My DH, who is now 71 remembers driving with his friend to take his friends girlfriend to a scary place to have an abortion.  Too many people no longer remember or want to remember that this is the way it was handled before RoeVWade.  The back alley abortionist.  They were real.  Of course it's easy to just write that off as trailer park trash of no consequence without thinking that it really was likely for anyones daughter who needed to keep a terrible secret.

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  • YramAL
    YramAL Member Posts: 1,651
    edited August 2012

    I sure wouldn't want to see children of rape shunned or feared.

    Mary 

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  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited August 2012

    Chickadee, I remember those days, and I remember when New York made abortion on demand legal. I remember the celebration and relief, because now women and girls wouldn't be dying in back alleys and sleazy hotel rooms, or on their bathroom floors after having tried to do it themselves. The rich don't care about choice -- they have always had the choice to wisk their little darlings off to Switzerland (I remember those days, too).



    I would never dream of telling any woman what to do if she was considering an abortion. As a sign I saw recently said, "You're not stopping abortions by making them illegal. You are only making them unsafe."



    Again with the big government in someone's uterus.



    L

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  • katsOK
    katsOK Member Posts: 142
    edited August 2012

    Several hours ago the discussion was on quitting bad habits... I both smoked and would bite my nails I stopped both many years ago and the nail biting was the harder of the two. Biting the nails does not cause cancer but gave me gum infections and TMJ. Now many years later my nails do weird things from the damage to them. I bit them until they bled, and doing some things with my fingers was impossible due to pain and nothing to grab with. At least with smoking I got some pleasure from it, not true with nail biting. Not that I would go back to smoking, glad to be finished with both; now if I could do away with my sugar addiction and eating too much, it might be the worse bad habit of all.

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  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited August 2012
    YramAL - My story is definitely anecdotal, and there will always be the nature/nuture factors involved.  I knew this child's history only because the mother had shared this info with my bf (who worked for her) at the time.  I think all would have been better off never mentioning it, though I mentioned it, so?.... anonymously ofcourse.
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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2012

    This is the FINEST group of Women I've ever been among - all of you - ROCK!  We've only got 45 minutes left...then it takes a court order to get him off the ballot!

    YEAH, CLAIRE!

    Speaking of fingers - the middle one to anyone who reads here and doesn't like the subject.  Don't read it.

    ETA - it's 6pm CDT  not EDT...ooohhh....an extra hour to wait!!!!!

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2012

    OH, CLC

    I get it...now...DUH, I mean claire who is running as a Democratic incumbent against AKIN ;-)))  teeee, heeee.....

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  • CLC
    CLC Member Posts: 1,531
    edited August 2012

    Oh...man that makes a lot more sense!!! lol...

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2012

    LOL, indeed

    and here you thought I mis-spoke 

    How the F does someone Misspeak???? only 15 minutes to go...can we been this fortunate????

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  • CLC
    CLC Member Posts: 1,531
    edited August 2012

    You know, there are very very few women named Claire...and I rarely come across a name confusion...so it never occured to me it was a different Claire...  giggle...

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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2012

    I think you'd make a FINE Senator - but you'd have to come to MA to run! ;-))))

    Lotsa dance classes here...

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  • YramAL
    YramAL Member Posts: 1,651
    edited August 2012

    Kam170-my response was more to Athena's comment that the child of a rapist might not be so innocent after all. I commend anyone who brings a child to term, even if it is the child of a rapist(though I don't think I could), but I would certainly hope that the fact that a child is a child of a rapist would not be held against him/her(the child). 

    No problems with you sharing your anecdote. I also believe in the nature/nuture mix. I have one extremely difficult child, and one very easy child. How the heck do you explain that if it's all one or the other. :)

    Mary 

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  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited August 2012

    Just want to say, I feel stallked on this thread. It's like invisible peeping Toms surrounding my home and looking in all the bedroom windows. Sorry you got the brunt of it Blue.

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  • YramAL
    YramAL Member Posts: 1,651
    edited August 2012

    What's even creepier, Yorkiemom, is when you go to other(unnamed) sites on the internet and see your screenname being talked about in a not-very-nice way. We really ARE being stalked.

    Mary 

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  • pupmom
    pupmom Member Posts: 5,068
    edited August 2012

    Yikes! I haven't seen that yet.

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  • RetiredLibby
    RetiredLibby Member Posts: 1,992
    edited August 2012

    In some places on the interwebz, a hazmat suit followed by copious quantities of brain bleach are prescribed viewing wear.



    And a good stiff vodka straight up afterward.



    L

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  • rosemary-b
    rosemary-b Member Posts: 2,006
    edited August 2012

    I am so upset by what that man said, I can't even think what to say. The sad thing is he has daughters.

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  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited August 2012
    As for being stalked -- heck, if what we post here is exciting anyone (either in a positive or negative way) then I say "More power to us!"Wink
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  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited August 2012

    Bartender sends to say we are open! -

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  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited August 2012

    Re: abortions in back alleys: that really sheds light on the public health/safety/sanitation aspect of this issue.

    The same way in which I don't agree with IV illegal drug use (or any illegal drug use -I'm a hawk on that topic), thank God there are needle exchange programs to prevent drug users from contracting the HIV virus or hepatitis. That person would in turn be able to infect others. It is, amongst other things, a public health necessity.

    In the same vein, imagine a woman getting raped, then pregnant, going for a back-alley procedure because abortion would be illegal, then dying.

    Can someone please tell me - even if you don't care about the life of that poor creature, who got raped, then pregnant, who would be around to testify against that rapist a trial, and help to ensure he doesn't do the same to another women if she dies?

    Oh, I forgot. She can have the baby. Then she needs help to care for it, then she is a welfare queen.

    Hate abortion, glad as hell I never had to go there. Relieved that if I HAD, it wouldn't have been a back alley. 

    Cheers to fingers! :-)

    HL: Link? I'm curious. Send it by PM if you like....

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  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited August 2012

    Yorkie - I sent you a PM with a link to what you haven't seen yet.

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  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited August 2012

    Nice and frosty.

    no preview

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  • CLC
    CLC Member Posts: 1,531
    edited August 2012

    One of the most frustrating things about back alley abortions is that it is for the poor only.  The rich used to fly to Puerto Rico for an abortion.  It is most definitely about keeping women barefoot and pregnant.  But it is also class warfare.  The poor pay the biggest price.

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  • 208sandy
    208sandy Member Posts: 2,610
    edited August 2012

    I remember the bad old days - in our little town the Police Chief was the person to go to for the "safe" abortion doctor's name and phone number - the rich kids all went to "business college in England" for the year - it was truly the dark ages and before the pill and sex education - the youngsters better get ready for another fight.

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  • IllinoisLady
    IllinoisLady Member Posts: 29,082
    edited August 2012

    Just got home from work and have not read all the posts here, but just wanted to say I have been reading here for some time.  I find myself nodding my head yes or no, and all pretty much in tune with what ya'll have been talking about.  I hope no one will remove anything that is here..........I'd so much rather learn how someone REALLY feels with no worry of what someone else might see as correct, politically correct, spiritually correct,  or anything else.  I'm not one who quarrels by nature ....... in fact, in general I bend over backwards the opposite way, but I'm not going back in my kitchen till I'm da*m good and ready and not giving up any of my rights.  So hope no one minds that I lurk and enjoy it all.  I was going to pick out just one of you and pm this message.....then decided --- much easier to just put it here.  Wishing the best for all of you. 

    Jackie

    p.s. of course later I'll think of all the "great" things I might have said, but for now, hope you don't mind if I lurk and enjoy. 

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  • YramAL
    YramAL Member Posts: 1,651
    edited August 2012

    Welcome Illinoislady! I think you'll fit in just fine here!

    Mary 

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  • Chickadee
    Chickadee Member Posts: 4,467
    edited August 2012

    When you think of all the great things, let your fingers do the tapping and share.  Welcome.

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  • QuinnCat
    QuinnCat Member Posts: 3,456
    edited August 2012

    Hi Jackie Cool  I'm new here too - fine bunch of women here...very smart and creative.

    Susie - can you send me the same thing you sent to Yorkie?  

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