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  • virginiab
    virginiab Member Posts: 205
    edited August 2012

    Looking for Ideas about what to Drink

    I'm curious what you all are drinking. I'm having a hard time drinking enough because everything tastes so icky. I've had the best luck  with hot water and can often get about 8 ounces down. Other than that, I sometimes manage hot or iced tea, ginger ale, or diet 7Up.

    So what do you drink on those post-chemo days? I could use some more ideas to try out.

    On a related topic, I found sugarless cinnamon disks at Walgreens that are helping me cover up that nasty taste in my mouth. They are Walgreens house brand Nice, and are smooth so they don't irritate my mouth.

    I'm sorry to hear that a bunch of you are having a hard weekend emotionally!

  • Moonwillow1010
    Moonwillow1010 Member Posts: 25
    edited August 2012

    Have you tried Gatorade? Often, I mix half gatorade and half water or half gatorade and diet 7up. I'm now trying vitamin water. I did pretty good fluid wise after infusion #1, #2 not so much although I'm still trying to get it down. 

    I too can relate to the emotional stuff and crying for no real apparent reason. I think it's important to surround ourselves when we can with people who support us. I also found it helps just to focus on the day at hand and to appreciate all things about the day. Even if its little...try to find the positive.

    Hugs to all.

  • SusanHG123
    SusanHG123 Member Posts: 414
    edited August 2012

    I guess it is the sum of facing mortality. As a nurse educator I have had Mental Health/Psych students write their own obit for years. But--they are generally young and healthy and wise.

    This entire process terrifies me. My 3rd AC is Thursday. After the 2nd had to go in for fluids and drugs to break the vomiting cycle. And I know 3 and 4 will be worse. There is no preparation.

    I am so angry at my #$#% husband for walking out day of port placement and moving in with someone else. He was a long-time jerk. Screwed around just to prove he could. But-to walk out in the midst of this. Who does that!! I just want the opportunity to tell him he isn't welcome.

    I just placed ANOTHER order for quilt fabric--because if I have quilts to make I cannot die. Would just be wrong.  

    I am seeing a psychologist who wants me to journal. All i want to write is #$#% Cancer. @#$#% Husband.

    I feel like a sissy for whining. So many in much worse situations than I. Lack of sleep, bone pain, mouth blisters, nausea, Mega Mass living in my right breast and his friends in my armpits inviting others over to play all add to the overwhelming black hole of depression right now. 

    What to drink? Will tell you what NOT to do. The blisters in my mouth were awful last night. Finally thought--will numb those nasties. Got a shot of ice cold scotch and swished. OH MY GOD! Was like a fire ball in my mouth. Desperate act did not work.  

    We all need a group hug.  

  • PaEaglesFan
    PaEaglesFan Member Posts: 277
    edited August 2012

    Susan, I love your outlook about the quilts.  I have enough cross-stitch projects to last me well into my 100's.  I was going thru the same fear and trepidation of recurrence just 2 or 3 weeks ago and posted the very same fears you all are having.  I don't think it will ever go away but I am taking comfort in the knowledge that I am being taken care of by my own little Survivor team and they will be with me every step of the way.  As for 'that man' that walked out on you... to hell with him!  I hope Karma pays him a swift and just visit in the very near future.  

    I haven't put life on hold just yet, but I keep thinking "When the holidays roll around, this will be passed and I will be feeling better."  Fall is my favorite time of year and I just love the Thanksgiving-Christmas time most of all and especially looking forward to it this year.

    I have found Cranberry juice to be the best tasting drink!  I think the tartness kicks my mouth in gear and it gets the spit flowing. Bonus is that it comes with several different flavors mixed with it and it's good for your kidneys!!

    Hope everyone had a restful weekend and to those who have treatment this week, I hope your SE's are minimal. 

  • _Ann_
    _Ann_ Member Posts: 769
    edited August 2012

    Hi Susan, I hope the journaling and counseling gives you some relief.  I tried screaming and beating the mattress with a pillow but I'm not sure if that helped much.  Writing usually helps.

    Virginiab, I've been unable to drink plain water, it just tastes bad.  Yet I don't want to be drinking sugary liquid all day either, so I'm diluting it with water.  Lately I'm drinking 1/2 water, 1/4 cranberry cocktail, 1/4 gatorade mix and that's hitting the spot.  It's a bit like pink lemonade.  When I was utterly sick of sweet taste I drank diluted 100% cranberry juice (unsweetened).   Also sometimes having diluted ginger ale.

  • virginiab
    virginiab Member Posts: 205
    edited August 2012

    Thanks for the drink suggestions! I really appreciate new things to try.

  • emilybrooke
    emilybrooke Member Posts: 98
    edited August 2012

    Solantio - I too am having a tough time with the "am I going to live" piece of this disease. It's usually the worst on days 5-8 post treatment. I cry, I look up stupid statistics on the computer, I take care of things around the house that I can do for that "just in case" reason. It's so dumb. We are going to beat this, we just have to keep reminding each other of this.

    Ann - I laughed when I read your last post. I didn't beat the mattress but I did destroy a throw pillow about ten days ago. Sheer anger and self pity. Poor pillow didn't see it coming.

    I'm getting round 3 of AC tomorrow morning. It's an earlier appt. than the last two so let's see if the timing impacts my side effects.

    Hugs to everyone!

  • SusanHG123
    SusanHG123 Member Posts: 414
    edited August 2012

    Will get cranberry and dilute. After i get the magic mouth wash. Found a tube of lidocaine--it is helping---but the mouth wash will be best. 

    Thank you ladies, for your support. I think this may be my journal.

    A friend gave me a journal for art journaling. Am NOT an artist by any means. But may use for my quilt notebook. I just started quilting fall 2009 when my youngest left for college. I sew--someone else does the long-arm quilting. The sewing is therapeutic.  

    Then nice calming light--yes. And is send love and hugs to each of you 

  • cvmarilyn
    cvmarilyn Member Posts: 179
    edited August 2012

    First of all it makes me feel so good ( I am about ready to cry - go figure) to hear that you are all having the same emotions as me.  I was thinking this morning that I must be going crazy - I really thought that I can't do this anymore - that my family would be sad but would get over losing me - and now I am feeling like I can do it - and will do it. Since I was 10 I wanted to live to be 100 so that I would have 3 numbers in my age.  I still want that. 

    Cafe Press has some really great t-shirts for us Cancer Babes - one of them said "does this t-shirt make me look bald?".

    We are awesome and strong - even when we don't feel that way - we are. I love you all.

    cvm 

  • natL12
    natL12 Member Posts: 135
    edited August 2012

    christima0001 - sorry to read in your bottom lines that you had to have a mastectomy in August, after having a lumpectomy in January.  That must have been hard to face.  Good luck to you in recovery.  Nat

  • Madelyn
    Madelyn Member Posts: 93
    edited August 2012

    I think it's impossible not to cry sometimes.  We are constantly reminded of the way we used to be before BC.  I was definitely getting into a funk-and not drinking enough fluids and eating the wrong foods- and in turn, this third AC was the toughest-I mean it really blew.  

    My neighbor three doors down came down with AML leukemia a year ago- a great strong woman, child psychartrist-helped many kids.  She had the bone marrow transplant, but unfortunately it came back even harder.  AML is a rare but deadly Leukemia-please don't confuse it with other types of Leukemia, I don't want family members more depressed if you know someone with another type of Leukemia.  

    She was always fighting...even though she knew the outcome.  They were scheduled to celebrate Christmas next week because her time was limited.  They created a bucket list of things she wanted to do with her family-she only got to do 2 of them.  

    The last time I saw her was about a month ago, she was upbeat.  She told me worrying NEVER changes the outcome, and being sad will only make it worse.  Why spend time depressed when I could call an old friend and laugh about better times.  The morning she died, she was working with the physical therapist at John's Hopkins in Baltimore.  She lost lucidity and passed away peacefully with her family around her.  Even in the final hours she never ever gave up.

    At the funeral, my friends and I cried like babies, like I said earlier, no having nose hairs can be a real bit@h.  Her family and 3 kids were amazing. I sobbed liked a faucet having flashes of "wow, this is what my own funeral would look like with a lot of the same people."  What a pity party of wasted energy!  There was so much to learn from Kathy and I was completely wasting time worrying about all the wrong things.

    Girls--EVERYTHING WE ARE GOING THROUGH IS TEMPORARY.  We will get our life back!  We can do this and get it done!

    We all talk about the healthy food options for our body but we need to keep our emotions healthy too.  Feeling sad is fine but when is rolls into days and days it doesn't help anyone.  Find ways to do things that really make you happy.  Sometimes thats not always possible when the bills are piling up.  Kathy gave me great advice once and told me to find 3 things that you are grateful for everyday.

    Sorry to ramble on but I thought maybe this would help as just knowing Kathy helped me tremendously.

    Hey Emilybrooke- just a want you to know I was at a party once and I met a woman who had the most incredibly toned arms I had ever seen.  I asked her if she lifted weights to get the result.  She said all she does is cycling and yoga.  She doesn't touch a weight.  Trust me she had killer arms!

    Girls I wish you peace and love... 

  • PaEaglesFan
    PaEaglesFan Member Posts: 277
    edited August 2012

    Here's a new question I haven't seen yet.


    Has anyone noticed their sense of smell has become more acute?  (Maybe making up for the dead tastebuds?)
    I ask this because I am CONSTANTLY smelling things that no one else seems to and they think I've lost my ever-loving mind!  The most recent thing is that I swear no matter how often I wash my head (with it's peach fuzz growth) it always seems to smell dirty to me.  I've been wearing cotton caps to wick the sweat away and I've been hand washing them thinking that was what the smell was coming from. 

  • _Ann_
    _Ann_ Member Posts: 769
    edited August 2012

    Yes I've had the extra-sensitive sense of smell too.  I used Febreze on my cloth car seat because it suddenly smelled bad to me.  Now the Febreze smell seems even worse :-(   Seems like this one comes and goes-- it was worst when I was still a little queasy from the last infusion

  • boobzilla
    boobzilla Member Posts: 58
    edited August 2012

    Life-I am so very very sorry to hear about the loss of your Dad. As someone who thought her mom was a rockstar (as a matter of fact I posted a pic of her on Facebook yesterday to share with my friends, and I thank her everyday for the strength she passed down to me, to deal with this current obstacle), I can feel the love you feel for your dad. Nothing can console you, I am sure, but my warmest regards and wishes for strength are going to you and your family. Sounds like he did well, in you.

    I've not been on since my 2nd treatment (8/9). Been busy and as my doctors stated my side effects hit me a little harder with the regimen I am on, but different this time. Seemed like some of them came a bit later, and wiped me out towards the end of the week, instead of at the beginning. I am 11 days out, and back at work today, between cycles. I see the thread's been a bit quiet-I hope you guys are all ok or at least managing! 1/3 done with this part,  and still marching on through the 'fog' and beyond!My hair is like needles on my head (I have a few stubbles but since I have (had) so much hair, I feel like I am laying on a nailbed, LMAO. Been rocking some cool hats, at home, or 'topless' to give 'er some space to breathe. Also bought a cool Adidas (my favorite Sports brand) the other day. Long over the hair thing...but the side effects definitely gave me a run for my money. My least favorite is the mental lack of clarity, and the neverending hunger which I refer to as 'Roid Rage'. I have to watch out before I fracking float away to Never Never Land.....I am trying my best to walk in a Komen walk my friends cooked up for me. They'll have to wheelbarrow me around using all of their strength if I keep this up.....I feel like 'The Hulk' and my boobs are still a bit green anyway from my last surgery!

  • Ellendou
    Ellendou Member Posts: 139
    edited August 2012

    PAeaglesFan - good to hear that I am not the only one suffering with this smell business -- I am washing my scarves and headcovers constantly, even have considered getting a stronger shampoo as I can smell dirty all the time, yet my DD and husband say they can't smell anything....it is terrible, I would just hate for somebody else to notice it on me.  I am washing my pillow today, think that even smells.  Have tried Freebreze but don't like the smell of it....

  • Lauren423
    Lauren423 Member Posts: 29
    edited August 2012

    Yes, I have the issue with smell too! Just today I was driving and I smelled fresh cigarette smoke, but I wasn't even at a red light! Also, gross, but bathroom odors seem more offensive too, and hubby says he can't smell anything.

  • Madelyn
    Madelyn Member Posts: 93
    edited August 2012
    Ann-I love the water/cranberry juice/gatorade combo drink.  I have #4 AC Wednesday and I want to start hydrating now and THIS is very easy to get down.  Just plain water tastes awful these days...your suggestion was great thanks!
  • emilybrooke
    emilybrooke Member Posts: 98
    edited August 2012

    Thank you Madelyn for your post. It is definitely a reminder that in the end it will be okay and life will be normal again. As for the arms, you made me smile =) I know it may sound completely vain but I was proud of how I looked.

    I thought I was nuts with the heightened smell thing but I think your right PAeagles. Maybe it is making up for the tastebuds. I smell moisture in the house all the time, in particular the bathroom and laundry room, it smells dirty. My husband thinks I am crazy but now I can tell him that it is a side effect. And while the smell is present, at least I feel less crazy.

    I have to try some of this drinks that you ladies have suggested. This is the first time that water really is a problem for me. I had round three this morning and I am definitely dragging this afternoon. Plus, hubby is a little under the weather - scratchy throat. I asked the oncologist about it and she said to avoid him. I will be sleeping in the guest room tonight in case his germs have invaded our bed. Plus, I had my sister wipe down all surfaces and spray lysol.  

  • boobzilla
    boobzilla Member Posts: 58
    edited August 2012

    The smell thing is suddenly heightened for me as well. Hits me all of a sudden and my wife has no idea what I am smelling. Like a weird "Spidey sense"...my friends told me about theirs when they were pregnant. Odd I am experiencing it because of this. But I guess taste is dulled so now smell is increased in the body's typical compensation effort. Lol....

  • Itsalltemporary
    Itsalltemporary Member Posts: 38
    edited August 2012

    So glad you posted that question! I thought it was just me! Definitely having increased sense of smell.

  • _Ann_
    _Ann_ Member Posts: 769
    edited August 2012

    Well I'm feeling pretty down today.  I'm really dreading AC #3 on Thursday.  I'm even dreading my pre-infusion blood draw tomorrow.  Just so sick of needles already.  

    I have a meeting tomorrow with a nurse, my insurance has a program where they assign you a nurse advocate.  She sounded very nice and I'm looking forward to going through my questions with her and seeing if she can fill in some of the gaps.  My various consults with the doctors have been so brief.

    I'm down to 114 pounds, which surprised me.  I thought I was holding steady at 117.   I don't want to get to a point where I feel I need to push food on myself, on top of constantly pushing myself to drink fluids.

    These may be my last days of going into my office for some time.  I was trying to do half time but I don't think I can keep it up, so I'm planning to go to full time disability after the infusion.  It's like there's nothing left of my pre-BC life any more.  Just three months ago I had a totally different life, different preoccupations, a different body, and a different future.   It's tough to comprehend.  I'm fighting feelings of hopelessness a lot lately.

  • PaEaglesFan
    PaEaglesFan Member Posts: 277
    edited August 2012

    Awww Ann... Sending hugs your way.  Try to think of someplace warm and sunny while they're sticking you.  We've all been down in the dumps and we've all pulled ourselves out of them with the help of the wonderful ladies here.

  • _Ann_
    _Ann_ Member Posts: 769
    edited August 2012
    Thanks for the hugs, PAEaglesFan.  Dragging my butt out of the house now...
  • natL12
    natL12 Member Posts: 135
    edited August 2012

    Ann - hugs and good wishes your way.  And my admiration for working as long as you could.  My 3rd round hit really hard.  That was 8 days ago.  Today i feel like a human being....no digestive problems, no ache all over.  Just the dry mouth, dry eyes, etc.  Know that things will improve for you, if only briefly! 

    This group keeps me on an even keel.  I try not to whine to DH, just state the facts whenver he asks.  And I try to pretend to everyone else (or just crawl into my cave and hide out, like animals do when they're feeling bad.)   But here, I can talk about how I feel, and get encouragement, and get answers to my questions.

    Thank you all for being here....Nat

  • cvmarilyn
    cvmarilyn Member Posts: 179
    edited August 2012

    Hi Everyone - Just had #3 yesterday - and feel tired.  I too am being bothered by smells - yesterday they used something alcoholic to wipe down the chairs when someone left and I was thinking that really theyc an't use something less icky smelling.  I took all the meds I have to keep the nausea at bay and so far so good. Just feel tired and wonder if and when something icky is going to start.

    Thank you all for being here and I know we share a special bond. I agree here I can be real.

    Take good care-

    Marilyn 

  • emilybrooke
    emilybrooke Member Posts: 98
    edited August 2012

    Hugs to you, Ann.

  • teeballmom
    teeballmom Member Posts: 322
    edited August 2012

    Ann: sending you hugs. I totally understand about dreading treatments and the needles. I am in the BGC right now getting #4 and I had to shut my eyes when they put the needle in my port. Yuck!



  • cyano
    cyano Member Posts: 67
    edited August 2012

    Hugs Ann (and all). Lots of people having tough times.

     I had round 3 a week ago. I had less nausea, but a lot worse heartburn and muscle aches. I can't do much about either of these. I'm on a restricted diet for colitis. My gastroenterologist said no colitis drugs until I finish chemo. So I'm allowed white rice, peeled potatoes, bananas, fish and liquids. I can't take NSAIDs, tylenol or heartburn meds because they are colitis triggers.

     But here's the good part. My symptoms lasted way shorter this time. By yesterday, I was feeling completely back to normal.  I went for a very short run this morning which felt soooo good.

  • Lifeonitsside
    Lifeonitsside Member Posts: 250
    edited August 2012

    Somehow, I lost this link off my fav topics so I'm so behind!



    Glad to hear I'm not the only one on the emotional rollercoaster. I think between losing my father and chemo and all this, I'm just done emotionally. Spent more than 48 hours with my DB and was absolutely convinced he wanted to break up with me the entire time. He was fine, behaved like he always does. But my head got in the way and the therapist at my support group today put it in great perspective. There are so many things out of my (and all of our) control right now that I'm overly sensitive to everything. She helped me work through it and calm down.



    I am going on disability for the duration of my treatment because I just can't teach. Too much energy and a few other factors. It's killing me because I love teaching. One of my kids today gave me a card saying I'm the best art teacher ever. I almost cried.



    So just dealing.



    Have 3rd round of chemo a week from today, which means I'll be halfway through. Yay! Looking forward to the end, which is still a long way off.



    Love and hugs to all of you!

  • mamabr
    mamabr Member Posts: 83
    edited August 2012

    Hi everyone,

    I'm right there with everyone, feeling the ups and downs of this process. I was feeling like Ann yesterday, dreading pre-chemo day blood work, dreading today and tomorrow's neulasta. Yesterday the needle poke hurt more than other times and I had to call my friend to talk me off the ledge. My friend also sat with me during AC#4 today and we did have fun catching up on our girls activities and looking forward to sending them off on their first day of senior year. 

    I also had to send in my LT disability paperwork, which makes total sense, but is another thing gone for now. And even though it's for all the right reasons, it's a reminder of how capable and active life was 12 months ago. I can imagine how Lifeonitsside feels by not being able to teach her art classes, it's probably something that brings great joy and you are probably awesome at it.

    And I kick myself into reality because I know I could be posting on one of the other boards where those dear women face bigger challenges. My heart goes out to them, as it does for all of you that help to make me stronger by sharing your days. 

    The next few days are definitely going to suck'ola, but I get to watch my DD play tennis on Tuesday, so I am keeping my eye on Tuesday. 

    Really, thank you to all of you that share your stories. It is very healing during this time.  

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