Starting Chemo July 2012

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  • natL12
    natL12 Member Posts: 135
    edited August 2012

    PAEaglesFan...what an awful thing to have to deal with right after the chemo.  Hope there are not too many SEs from the wreck, either fot you or your mother.

    3rd round of chemo yesterday morning.

     At 7 am, I noticed that I have a VERY red face. Flushing is mentioned as a side effect of the Taxotere, but as a thing that happens while it is being administered...so I'm not sure whether to call the MO or not.  Going to the close hospital (45 miles instead of 100 where I get  my cancer treatments) for my Neulasta shot.  If it's not better by the time I'm ready to leave there, I will make the call and find out whatever.  This is a new SE for me.  Also, I have, if not "chemo brain", "chemo fingers".... I keep hitting the wrong keys as I type. !!

  • PaEaglesFan
    PaEaglesFan Member Posts: 277
    edited August 2012

    NatL... if they have you taking Decadron (it's a steroid most Dr's give to help offset the fluid retention from Tax) THAT is your culprit for flushing.  By tomorrow it will look like you could fry an egg on my face. GL w/your Neulasta injection.  Did your MO tell you about Claritin?  It seems to lessen the joint pain from having it.  I already take it for allergies, so I don't know if I would have had pains or not, but I don't feel too bad after I receive the injection.  I'll probably take it back to my Dr's office and have one of the nurses give it to me, or my step-sister will.  (She's an LPN and lives 5 miles from me.)

    Believe it or not, I made it in to work today, but leaving in a bit to get checked out by family dr.  Just want to make sure everything is a-ok as far as the aches and pains from the accident.  Other than that, I had a 'moving' night last night which thrilled me because I'm hoping that means I will not have the constipation in a few days like I did after the 1st 2 treatments.   

  • PinkyWI
    PinkyWI Member Posts: 73
    edited August 2012

    Cyano:  What is neutropenia?  So, after two rounds of chemo and losing mush of your hair, it is already growing back?  I've never had curly hair so cannot relate to what you are going through with the curly/straight hair but as a scientist (meaning you), I can just imagine!  Laughing  Good luck with round 3 today!  Oh, and Tazzy posted a picture of Einstein on one of the threads, not sure which forum though - you would enjoy it.


    Lifeonitsside:  I am so sorry about your financial difficulties, you have enough to worry about.  Good luck with the meeting with your supervisor, I hope it turns out well for you.  And, it sounds like your DB sure is a keeper!


    PAeaglesFan:  Oh my, just what you needed, an accident.  I swear people using their phones while driving are going to cause more accidents/deaths than I care to even think about.  Every time I see someone driving like an idiot --yep, they are on the phone.  Even the hands free thing in the ear is not helpful.  Sorry, just my opinion. Sadly, you will feel worse before feeling better from the accident.  So, you are a late loser too -- as in hair.  I'm with you, the hair will come back and if I had my head buzzed and don't actually lose it, oh well, it will come back faster then.  And you are right... we are NOT our hair! Glad you had a "moving" night!

    soltantio:  I had a friend, may she RIP, who had curly hair like yours, she actually called it "nappy" and when it would be humid, it would curl up so tightly it looked as though she had gotten a cut...mine stick straight and fine as babies hair -- I was actually hoping for curly hair after all of this BC crap!  Good luck with the cold caps working for you!


    natL12:  Wow, 100 miles to a treatment, sure hope that you don't get car sick! Hope that the red face etc has subsided!   And chemo fingers -- LOL I know the feeling!

    I had a good nights sleep -- feel much better today, thank goodness!  Now, what to make for supper -- some things never change. Now, off to try and clean off the kitchen table which has become a dumping ground -- that never ends either.  Surprised

  • _Ann_
    _Ann_ Member Posts: 769
    edited August 2012
    PAEaglesFan, I can't believe you got hit in the car on chemo day.  Just what you need huh?  Glad you weren't injured.  I'm with you on the hair, I did experience the half-plucked kewpie doll look after pulling out all the loose hair on day 14 of AC and it was so awful looking, I buzzed immediately.  I truly hate being bald but it's a better look than that.
  • cyano
    cyano Member Posts: 67
    edited August 2012

    PinkyWi -neutropenia is when you have very low neutophil counts. Neutrophils are a type of white blood cell that fights infection. Mine got very, very low at the same time as I picked up a stomache bug so I couldn't fight off the infection. The solution was strong antibiotics, neulasta and isolation to avoid picking up another infection. I now get neulasta every time I do chemo which has made a HUGE difference in how I feel.

    PAEaglesFan - sorry to hear about the car accident.You definitely don't need any added stress right now!

  • MaddyMac
    MaddyMac Member Posts: 75
    edited August 2012

    Hello All,



    Just checking in, I know I'll forget most of what I wanted to say, so let me start by holding all of us in the light. . .



    Cyano, I'm right there with you babe, neutropenia, white cell count down among the wines and spirits. I lucked out with being treated at home: hope you did ay, too, because the damned thing is cumulative!



    Life, I am lighting a green candle for you as soon as I log off (I really am, I have one right here). What can I say? I live in CA and some beleive in the power of the green candle to gather up all the energies of avocation. May you find the bucks and the studio!



    Eagles, say WHAT???? Just when you need a little random pick-me-up, kerBASH!!! Not fair. So glad you aren't hurt.



    As for hair, I am now bald as the day I was born. My scalp is very tender, so it's hard to wear the wig I bought, even with the little undercap thingie, so I'm going with scarves and buffs instead. Mine fell out in its entirety on day 10 after my first infusion.



    Very tired, as are we all, working to keep a positive attitude, may your rest be blessed.



  • emilybrooke
    emilybrooke Member Posts: 98
    edited August 2012

    Oh my, the boards were busy yesterday and I feel like I missed alot.

    Life- your DB sounds like a terrific man. You have been such a positive inspiration to everyone on the boards. I know that things are going to be okay for you.

    PAeagles - a car accident, seriously? I really hope that you are feeling well today and you are not too sore.

    Nat - I had a red face three days after my first treatment and the doctor said it was from the steroids.

    Cyano - the shot definitely helps. After my last round I asked about my wbc and was shocked to hear it was so high. Then the nurse explained how much the shot can increase the count and it all made sense.

    My hair ---I shared that I buzzed it on Saturday. Now it is beginning to look patchy as the stubbles fall out. I have been wearing scarves with fedoras since Sunday. Funny, I always wanted to wear a fedora, NEVER had the guts/confidence to do it. Now it's all I wear. I tried to wear the scarf alone on Monday and boy did I feel self-conscious. I need to work on that. I wore my wig out to dinner last night with the girls. Again, felt self-conscious, like everyone knew I was wearing it. Anyway, by the end of the night I was relieved to take it off because it was definitely getting itchy.

    Hope today is a good one for all of you - Hugs!

  • PaEaglesFan
    PaEaglesFan Member Posts: 277
    edited August 2012
    Thanks to all for your thoughts.  Mom and I both went to family dr yesterday afternoon to get checked out (both of us have arthritis in our necks and also some disc degeneration... family thing, yay!)  Happy to report that neither of us had any changes from previous x-rays and my feet were also x-rayed because my feet hit the floorboard of the car and all my tootsies are fine.  VERY colorful tho lol.  I'm wondering if the taxotere will affect one of the pinky toes and cause me to lose the nail because it seems like it split from the tip back toward the cuticle.  They are polished, so I can't really tell how bad it is.
    Speaking of nails!! I am getting some little dark lines in my fingernails and my nurse told me that they recommend Sally Hansen's Nail Nutrition with Green Tea & Bamboo to the patients.  I picked mine up at Walmart for $6.  It's hanging with all of the other Sally Hansen products.  Had a lot to do last night and didn't get it on yet, but will be doing it tonight.
    I'm finding that I prefer to wash my head with a bit of baby shampoo on a wash cloth to keep those little black stubbles under control.  The patches of peach fuzz are hanging in there and look kinda cute, but the dark stubbles come out pretty easily.  Funny how now that it's gone, I don't miss it as much as I thought I would!  I LOVE the extra free time in the morning and the hats and scarves are kinda fun.  
    Wish you all a peaceful day! 
  • _Ann_
    _Ann_ Member Posts: 769
    edited August 2012

    Hey July sisters, I have a question.  Is anyone having hot flashes or similar stuff?  I'm not quite having hot flashes but it's like my body can't regulate temperature any more.  I'm hot one minute and cold the next.  I'm sweating all night long with no covers while the mate is all bundled up.

  • stayinhappy
    stayinhappy Member Posts: 42
    edited August 2012

    I am having the hot flashes too.  During the day and at night. I was on Tamoxifen for two months before chemo and did not have them, so I'm thinking it's due to the chemo-enduced menopause and hope it goes away after.  Or maybe the steriods. Would love to hear from others.

  • Lifeonitsside
    Lifeonitsside Member Posts: 250
    edited August 2012

    My hot flashes are from the Neulasta and the Taxorere as I'm already in menopause. But it sounds like it could be any of the drugs/steroids/stuff flooding our systems. The body is such a complicated yet delicate thing. All this new stuff it's trying to adjust to can't help but throw everything off. My onc told me to monitor my temperature a few times a day to make sure it's not an infection. A temp of 100.5 is where the concern starts. Anything under that is "normal" during chemo. But check with your doc if you're concenred.

  • _Ann_
    _Ann_ Member Posts: 769
    edited August 2012

    Life, I've been checking my temperature.  It's still normal-- I just feel hot or cold and sweat easily.  Like you say everything is "off" and it feels like I'm inhabiting some alien body lately with all kind of quirks.  Oh well, at least it still functions, gets me around and doesn't ache too much.

  • SusanHG123
    SusanHG123 Member Posts: 414
    edited August 2012

    What a day! Car accident. Treatments. Hot flashes. Hair. 

    I have hot flashes--only from shoulders up. Cannot seem to get a good temperature to sleep (have 120 lb dog on each side doesn't help).

    Anyone having what seems like "heartburn" but not really. Belches that hurt and burn?

    Had a really uncomfortable experience last night. And a smaller one today. Has anyone felt invisible? At the grocery store I felt invisible, as if i was totally isolated. A sad feeling.

    Hugs to each 

  • _Ann_
    _Ann_ Member Posts: 769
    edited August 2012

    SusanHG, I haven't exactly had heartburn but I had a funny feeling of a lump in my throat that was there over a week.  I guessed maybe I had some irritation or sores in there.  It finally went away on its own.

  • virginiab
    virginiab Member Posts: 205
    edited August 2012

    Susan HG--

    You asked about the heartburny, belchy thing. Yeah, I've definitely got that. Pepcid does seem tto help with the burning part of it for me. I also have a shallow, dry cough that I think is part of the same little set of symptoms.

    Are we having fun yet?

    Eight days out from my 2nd chemo, I was able to go to my strength training class -- which totally exhausted me. But at least I worked out!

  • _Ann_
    _Ann_ Member Posts: 769
    edited August 2012

    Yet another call to the chemo nurse about side effects.  I've had pain in my veins (on the side where I had infusion #1 five weeks ago), and numbness and tingling in the fingertips.  I saw the numbness/tingling on the "call the doctor" list on one of my chemo handouts, but then she said I haven't had any drug that causes that yet.  Sure enough, I was looking at the Taxol handout, and I haven't started Taxol.  So I guess this is probably my pre-existing carpal tunnel stuff getting aggravated.  Seems like every little nagging physical problem I had before cancer is amplified now.

    For the vein pain, she said not to worry unless it gets red, swollen, or I get a fever.  Ok then! 

    Otherwise, I feel pretty human today.  This time it took me a solid week to get back to physical functioning, and another solid week to recover mentally.  I'm finally going entire days without crying, which was unimaginable a week ago.  I guess my body is putting itself back together.  Now almost a whole week left until the next hit.   I hope I keep feeling human!

  • mclark55
    mclark55 Member Posts: 168
    edited August 2012
    Hi beautiful ladies - just thought I'd drop in and see how everyone was doing.  Gosh, I so remember going through what you all are experiencing right now.  Some days it sucked, other days were much better.  Just KNOW YOU'RE GOING TO GET THROUGH THIS.  That's the most important thing I can share with you. 

    SusanHG - I'm so sorry you had to add having a car accident to your week.  As if you weren't going through enough!  I remember when I was going through chemo, my friend's car was broken into - she and I had gone for a walk on the beach and (silly us) had left our wallets under the front seats.  Dumb thing to do.  There was one person on the beach and he left when he saw us approaching.  Little did we know, that was our robber.  Certainly didn't need all that extra stress in my life.  He even had the keys to my house so had to change all the locks.  Why do people have to do these things?  Sorry for the rant - I guess that opened up a traumatic memory!

    The heartburn issue can be a problem while on chemotherapy.  I wrote an article a few months ago about that: http://marnieclark.com/ways-to-combat-acid-reflux-while-on-chemotherapy/

    I hope that helps someone.  Eating that way certainly helped me.

    And hot flashes - don't you hate them?  They're definitely worse in all this heat.  I still get them, 8 yrs later.  Much more manageable though than when they first appeared.  Had them every 45 minutes when I was only into my 2nd round of chemo.  I felt the need to write an article about that too - it is such a huge thing for us when we're going through chemo.  http://marnieclark.com/tips-tricks-and-support-for-hot-flashes/

    Sending you all lots of love today.  I know you're going to get through this. xoxox

  • natL12
    natL12 Member Posts: 135
    edited August 2012

    VirginiaB - Hooray for you and the strength training class.  Feels SO good to be able to do what we did before BC. I like to walk a lot (did a half-marathon..my 12th, just a week before I wes diagnosed. If I'm repeating myself, please forgive me.)  Today, 3 days after my 3rd chemo, I felt good that I walked for a half hour!  But I know each day will get better ... until the 4th chemo. And so it goes. But I'm sure continuing to do what we can while we can will help us get back to pre-chemo stage when it's all over.

    Were you cautioned any about how much to lift in strength training?  I am paranoid about lymphedema and so am being super, extra cautious with the arm on my mastectomy side when I get to the gym.  I stretch it each day with the prescribed exercises, but i don't lift as much as I did before - except for biceps work.

  • virginiab
    virginiab Member Posts: 205
    edited August 2012

    Hi, NatL12--

    My strength trining class is a research program at the University of Illinois. Among other things, they are interested in how exercise benefits older folks cognitively. The head of the program and I have spoken a couple of times about lymphedema. Now when the rest of the class uses resistance bands, I use weights. There was a nice study, maybe at Penn State, where they did progressive weight trining for women at risk of lymphedema. They started with 1 pound weights and added no more than one pound per week (meeting 3 times a week).So I'm kinda using that as a template and I'm currently using 3 lb weights.

    The new routine they started this week has a couple exercises that use the hands to support some body weight. I'm still working out how to adapt those to limit the weight.

  • emilybrooke
    emilybrooke Member Posts: 98
    edited August 2012

    Marnie - I checked out the links you posted. Thank you so much for that info. I am having a problem with heartburn 3-5 days out from treatment day. I am eating all the wrong foods! I printed the list and will be better for next week's treatment.

    Nat - I started physical therapy yesterday because I am not happy about my range of motion. Prior to bmx and lymph node removal I worked out 4-5 times each week. While strength training I was using 10 - 12 pound dumbells. After the surgery recovery time (6-8 weeks) my PS told me to limit my potential lymphedema arm to 5 pounds or less. Unfortunately, the physical therapist confirmed this info for me yesterday and said it is unlikely that I will ever lift weights heavier than 5 lbs again :( Another thing to add to the list of this this stupid disease has taken from me.

  • teeballmom
    teeballmom Member Posts: 322
    edited August 2012

    Hi girls.

    Here is something I didn't know would happen with AC.  I have pain under my fingernails and a little dew drop size black spot under my left thumb nail by the cuticle.  The triag nurse called me and said unfortunately it is a side effect that can be associated with Adriamycin, so they're going to take a look at my fingernails next Weds for my 4th AC infusion.  I knew it was possible with Taxol, but not AC.  Well, got confirmation that it is.  So she said make sure I do not cut my cuticles and keep my hands/fingernails really clean and if it makes it more comfortable, keep my nails cut short.  If it's not one thing, it's another.

    Oh well....

  • SusanHG123
    SusanHG123 Member Posts: 414
    edited August 2012

    Hey ladies. 

    Another question about side effects. The corners of my mouth are cracking and feel slick. Inside my mouth burns and feels like skin is peeling--as are my lips. Have had 2 courses of AC. Am smearing lips with anything i can find to moisten. Trying to increase fluids.

    I can't find the post about crying--but so can relate. Have been like an open water hose all day.

    And, was driving through McDonalds to get tea and the server said "Is there anything else you need Sir?". Crap. Had on a cap. But did have on make up. So could have smacked her and her tacky nail polish.  

  • Lifeonitsside
    Lifeonitsside Member Posts: 250
    edited August 2012

    My mouth has been dry but Biotene gum has been a big help. Also have been using aloe vera lip balm.



    I have been crazy emotional as well. I thought that since I'm now over a week past my last treatment, I'd be fine. But I just spent 48 hours with my DB (we don't live together) and was absolutely convinced the entire time that he was ready to break up with me. No reason to think so but I couldn't convince myself otherwise. Broke down in tears as we fell asleep last night (luckily, he never saw that). And I've been sitting on the couch at home since he dropped me off earlier, sobbing over the littlest things. Spin the wheel of emotions is going to be the game tonight, I think.



    Makes life interesting, doesn't it?

  • natL12
    natL12 Member Posts: 135
    edited August 2012

    VirginiaB - keep me posted on what you learn...That will take the place of having a real physical therapy class of my own!  I used to do the plank (holding oneself up on the toes and hands) for about 2 minutes after each step aerobics class.  I haven't done that since surgery...afraid it would put too much strain on the right arm.  And I'm definitely no strong enough to do it one-handed.  (My instructor does that, though...showing off.)

    EmilyBrooke  - Sorry you've had to restrict weight so much.  I actually hate weight training, just do it because I know I should.  I like to do step aerobics  and I like it high impact - but I'll take anything I can do at this point.  Haven't felt much like bouncing lately.

    TeeBall Mom - Oh, the fingernails.  Sorry.  I'm planning to ice mine next session, I have one thumb nail that is getting a little bruise at the base.

    Lifeonitsside- when I feel tears, I just tell folks that I have "chemo-eyes", which I do...a bit. I think everyone believes it, except my DH who knows me too well.  But he cares for me anyway.  :)

    My 3rd chemo hit me hard...I knew it's progressive, but it really was worse than I expected.  :(   Well, I have about 2 weeks to feel better before I face it again.  Good luck to all who are doing one this week.

  • christina0001
    christina0001 Member Posts: 1,491
    edited August 2012

    Just wanted to pop in and wish all you ladies (maybe guys too!) well. I finished chemo in late May. The road is long but you will get there. Sending prayers and good vibes that you have few side effects and that the good days outnumber the hard ones.

  • cvmarilyn
    cvmarilyn Member Posts: 179
    edited August 2012

    Hey - me too.  I just feel overwhlemed by this whole thing. I sometimes think I can't do it anymore - but know I have to. I am starting to feel sort of normal and have to start the whole process again Tuesday.  Is the emotion part of the treatment ot diagnosis?  I just wonder - I am sending out a big hug - a BIG group hug. I feel like going into a cave - anyone want to join me?

  • Marianne52
    Marianne52 Member Posts: 78
    edited August 2012

    CVmarilyn,

    I feel the same way you do. i was diagnosed in June but feel like I have been in treatment for year's. Marianne

  • _Ann_
    _Ann_ Member Posts: 769
    edited August 2012

    I've been on the emotional rollercoaster too.  Personally I think the sleep disruption is a big part of it.  I was doing better emotionally before chemo.  My sleep is messed up from taking meds for several days after the infusions, then after that wears off, I still don't sleep well because I can't get to a comfortable temperature.  I get cold, pull up the covers, then start sweating.  Take off the covers, get cold again, repeat.  

    It's a big emotional "job" to deal with a cancer diagnosis.  There's just no avoiding that.  One of the counselors told me I'm confronting my mortality, and everyone has to do that at some point.  Cancer just brings that to the forefront.  I'm hopeful my emotional resilience will improve once I'm sleeping better.  For now I'm trying not to get scared by the downswing.

  • Marianne52
    Marianne52 Member Posts: 78
    edited August 2012

    I totally agree. I am awake most of the night with the meds too. Having a lot of side effects from the Taxol. I think the Chemo makes you depressed also. I am consumed thinking about possible death. I think it is just something everyone goes through. Let's just think about getting through treatment so we can start living again. Hugs to you. Marianne

  • teeballmom
    teeballmom Member Posts: 322
    edited August 2012

    Sending hugs out to everyone today.  I can really relate to everything everyone has posted about the crying (days 5-7 are the worst for me - can look at my little boys and just break down for no reason) and the sleep deprivation.  I just started not waking up every 1.5 hours night before last. 

    I am also consumed about recurrence.  Some days I deal with it better than others.  Luckily my little ones started school last Thursday so I've been consumed a little bit more by their activities and volunteering for things at their school.  Helps keep BC and recurrence further back in my mind.  Don't get me wrong.  It's there, but just a little further back.

    Well, my 4th and final AC this Wednesday. I will be glad.  I've been told my taste buds should recover, and I really hope so.  I can taste some things pretty well, but that metal taste won't go away no matter if I use plastic utensils, constantly brush my teeth or rinse with salt & baking soda or Biotene.  Yuck!  

    Wishing everyone the best who are having treatments this week.  

    Take care.

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