What to do after surgery to prevent lymphadema

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pamelahope
pamelahope Member Posts: 534
edited June 2014 in Lymphedema

Hi all! I am on chemo treatment 6 of 8 and nearing my surgery time. I developed a blood clot in a superficial vein in my right arm, and in my left arm I imagine I am getting a lymph node removed as one is positive. They are recommending radiation too. I also have a blood clotting disorder. This to me seems ripe for lymphadema.

I thought about visiting a specialist but I am exhausted and don't drive on highways. I can't keep asking my husband to take off work.

What should I do after surgery with my arms and how soon? Any exercises? Should I but a compression sleeve? How soon should I put on after surgery?

I am having a bilateral mastectomy. Anything else I should do?



Pam

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  • Moderators
    Moderators Member Posts: 25,912
    edited August 2012

    Hi Pamela,

    The main Breastcancer.org site has an extensive section full of great information about Lymphedema -- even a page called Reducing Lymphedema and Flare-Up Risk After Surgery. There's also good tips on Lymphedema and Exercise  and info on Lymphedema Treatments, including compression sleeves.

    Hope this helps!

    --The Mods

  • crystalphm
    crystalphm Member Posts: 1,138
    edited August 2012

    Just to let you know, my surgeon ordered a lymphedema therapist/ occupational therapist (same person) to come to my house for 6 visits. I had to pay out of pocket $20 per visit. it was worth it. She was associated with a home health care business.

    She was so good, the last visit I sat and asked a million questions and took notes.

    In your case, I would ask about this, prevention makes sense.

  • Outfield
    Outfield Member Posts: 1,109
    edited August 2012

    Pam, there is an excellent website:  http://www.stepup-speakout.org

    There's a lot of information there.  One of the problems is knowing what a "lymphedema therapist" is, since there's not one governing body doing the licensure as there are for state PT, pharmacy, or medical boards.  There are a lot of different degrees of training a person can have to become one.  

    I agree seeing a CLT beforehand is a great idea, if it can be managed.  In my city, there are only a handful and they don't work homehealth.  

    To get a sleeve, you'd at least need to see a fitter and need a doctor's prescription for one.  Back before I developed lymphedema, my surgeon referred me to a fitter for an off the shelf low-level compression sleeve.  What is used for preventing lymphedema when you're high risk isn't necessarily as much compression as once you have it, and it's really important a sleeve fit well.  You look slender in your picture - that was my problem getting a sleeve - even the smaller ones were made for people with a different shape.   

    From what I've read on these boards, it seems like how easy it is to get a sleeve or referral depends on how comfortable your surgeon or rad onc is admitting that lymphedema is a problem caused by treatment.  I didn't encounter that barrier.

    I feel I'm not giving you much concrete.  One guideline I was given and the reason wasn't explained to me was not to lift my arm more than 90 degrees up for a while after surgery.  I don't remember how long.  A week?  Two?  I'm not sure.  Now I know it's because the lymphatics are very delicate and need to reattach in the days following surgery.  I wish I'd thought ahead and put things like my kids' vitamins on a lower cabinet shelf.   I also got a set of excercises put out by the YWCA and did them religiously before getting in to see the lymphedema therapist for post-op recovery rehab (I didn't have lymphedema yet then).

    Is there any possibility of a friend driving you, or a cab?   

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited August 2012

    Pam and Outfield, the current recommendation is to avoid lifting the arm above shoulder level for at least a week; ten days may be better. A study was done after researchers noted that lymphatic vessels may have a short window of time in which to regenerate when damaged.  The study had a control group of women receiving traditional post-mastectomy PT in which they began wall walking and other stretching/mobility exercises within days of surgery.  The other half of study subjects delayed those exercises by 7 days.  All had had axillary node dissection so were at particular LE risk.  The group that did the traditional immediate exercises had a 2.7 X higher incidence of LE in the first year post-surgery compared to those who delayed the mobility/stretching exercises. At the end of one year, both groups had the same degree of shoulder mobility, so they deemed the delay to not be harmful.  

    Pam, I hope you can get that certified LE therapist referral soon; in addition to education in what to do, what to look for, etc., you can get baseline arm measures before surgery--so if you do start to notice any swelling or any of the other early LE symptoms, your therapist will be able to pick up even the slightest change in arm volume and get you started on treatment.

    Keep us posted!

    Carol 

  • carol57
    carol57 Member Posts: 3,567
    edited August 2012

    Pam, someone asked a similar question recently, and I put in a long post that included some information Kira posted once explaining exercises that are very beneficial after the surgery--and some other do's and don'ts to help minimize your LE risk.  Here's a link:  http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/64/topic/791687?page=1#idx_6

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited August 2012

     Pamela, I know this is a lot of information, but take it in slowly and please ask us questions:

     I copied this amazing, comprehensive post:

    The SUSO link is:

    http://www.stepup-speakout.org/riskreduction_for_lymphedema.htm

    And how to find a therapist:

    http://www.stepup-speakout.org/Finding_a_Qualified_Lymphedema_Therapist.htm

    What Can I Do to Lower My Lymphedema Risk During and Just after my Breast Cancer Treatment?


    There are steps you can take to lower your risk. You can also take steps to facilitate a very early diagnosis, should you develop lymphedema despite taking precautions.


    Take immediate post-surgical precautions--If you are to have any lymph nodes removed (including sentinel node biopsy, which can include four or more nodes) take the following post-surgical precautions:

    1. Do not allow blood draws, IVs, or blood pressure measures to be taken on your affected arm, even if the hospital staff and/or your surgeon tells you that your lymphedema risk is so low as to not warrant any arm precautions. If you have nodes removed from both arms, insist that this work be done using some portion of a leg.

    2. Do not perform any exercises, including range-of-motion or ‘wall walking' stretches that require you to lift your arms above shoulder level, for two weeks following surgery. There may be a small window of opportunity for damaged lymphatics to regenerate, and stressing the axilla by performing traditional post-mastectomy exercises is suspected to interfere with that opportunity.

    Surgeons generally order range-of-motion exercises to commence within a day or so of mastectomy, to help prevent a painful condition called frozen shoulder. The condition is real, but several studies have shown reduced BCRL incidence if these exercises are delayed. A 2008 study compared the incidence of BCRL in women who performed immediate above-shoulder exercise with those who delayed these exercises for 7 days. The women who performed immediate exercises had nearly three times the incidence of BCRL within the first postoperative year, compared to those who waited the week. And yet at the end of that year, there were no statistically significant differences in shoulder movement, grip strength or self-evaluated outcomes between the two groups.

    No study seems to suggest avoiding above-shoulder movement after radiation therapy, but scarring from radiation blocks the lymphatics, so common sense suggests that giving the area time to heal before stressing it may lower BCRL risk.

    3. Do perform exercises designed to reduce post-surgical swelling. Get your surgeon's permission, of course, but the following exercises (based on those suggested by American Cancer Society, and modified slightly in a post here that Kira wrote) are helpful during the first 10-14 days after surgery (just do not raise arms above shoulder level):

    a. Lie down and raise your affected arm above the level of your heart (you can bend your elbows--no reaching for recovery yet...) for 45 minutes. Do this 2 or 3 times a day. Put your arm on pillows so that your hand is higher than your wrist and your elbow is a little higher than your shoulder. This will help decrease the swelling that may happen after surgery.

    b. Exercise your affected arm while it is raised above the level of your heart by opening and closing your hand 15 to 25 times. Next, bend and straighten your elbow. Repeat this 3 to 4 times a day. This exercise helps reduce swelling by pumping lymph fluid out of your arm.

    c. Practice deep breathing exercises (using your diaphragm) at least 6 times a day. Lie down on your back and take a slow, deep breath. Breathe in as much air as you can while trying to expand your chest and abdomen (push your belly button away from your spine). Relax and breathe out. Repeat this 4 or 5 times. This exercise will help maintain normal movement of your chest, making it easier for your lungs to work. Do deep breathing exercises often.

    4. Avoid sleeping on your affected arm and do not lie on that side.

    5. Stay hydrated: drinking water thins the lymph (fluid), making it easier to move through the body.

    Take steps to facilitate an early BCRL diagnosis

    An early diagnosis is an important risk-reduction strategy, in the sense that the earlier lymphedema is diagnosed, the more readily and easily it is treated. There is little evidence to suggest that lymphedema can be cured once it develops, but minor swelling is easier to control than is significant swelling; and controlling swelling in turn reduces the risk of disfigurement such as fibrosis, and dangerous complications, such as cellulitis. Steps you can take include:

    1. Before your surgery or radiation treatment starts, request a referral to a certified lymphedema therapist or another individual who is qualified to take arm measurements designed to assess lymphedema. This individual must know and routinely use lymphedema arm-measurement methods. Request baseline measures of both of your arms-before starting breast cancer treatment.

    Having baseline arm measures removes a good amount of conjecture if you notice swelling in the weeks or months following treatment. For example, if you are right-handed, your right arm may naturally have more volume than your left arm. If you have nodes removed from your right axilla, in the absence of any baseline measure, a lymphedema therapist will measure both arms and calculate the volume difference between the two. Your right arm may be larger than your left because of early
    lymphedema-or was it always larger, because your right arm is your dominant arm? Taking pre-treatment baseline arm measures removes that uncertainty.

    You will likely find that pre-treatment baseline measures are not covered by your health insurance policy. If that is the case, check your area for treatment centers or clinics that offer free lymphedema screening or baseline measures, and if not available, call around to see if you can negotiate a reduced rate for a measurement-only visit.

    2. Know the signs of lymphedema that you can feel, but not see. Women with BCRL will often notice a feeling of heaviness, tingling, a pins-and-needles sensation, or sometimes a feeling of warmth in an affected arm, long before swelling is visually evident. Fluid volume in an arm can increase some 30% before added volume is even measurable, and yet that is just the time when lymphedema treatment, including manual lymph drainage and compression therapy, can be most effective in holding BCRL at its most mild and controllable stage.

    3. Be your own strongest advocate and insist on evaluation by a qualified lymphedema therapist if you suspect you have lymphedema. Women with BCRL report anecdotally that their oncologists, radiologists and surgeons are not always quick to distinguish post-surgical symptoms from early lymphedema, so you may need to press the issue. An experienced lymphedema therapist can often identify early lymphedema through very subtle symptoms that your cancer treatment team is not accustomed to working with.

    For help finding a qualified lymphedema therapist, visit www.step-up-speakout.org ;click on Finding a Qualified Lymphedema Therapist. For help making your doctors understand what you need, you will also find a downloadable document called What we Want our Healthcare Providers to Know about Lymphedema and a companion page called Essential Lymphedema Information for All Health Care Providers, both written by a physician who has BCRL. This information will give you ammunition to be a very effective advocate for taking steps to prevent, and if necessary manage, lymphedema at its most treatable stage. At SU-SO, you will also discover tons of help in recognizing the visible signs of LE, and help understanding how LE is treated, how to know if compression garments fit properly, and lots more.

    Good luck to you!! And tell us what else you learn, as you continue to prepare yourself.

    (for some reason I cannot get the page to insert the suso link...but I'm sure you can find the site!)

    Good luck with the surgery and radiation, and please let us know how we can help.

    Kira

  • pamelahope
    pamelahope Member Posts: 534
    edited August 2012

    Thank you. I learned a lot. I especially like the instructions about pillows to elevate your arms. Restricting shoulder movement for two weeks was great advice. Thank you about the reminder of blood draws.

    Do I wear a compression sleeve after surgery?

    Off subject, but when I developed a dvt my left leg was twice its size. I wore a compression garment, and walked a lot and avoided post thrombotic syndrome.

    I am wondering if once I am through with radiation, whether swimming is good, I.e. the breast stroke and crawl. Is that too much? Pam

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited August 2012

    Pam, swimming is great, just go slow and don't over fatigue yourself.

    Whether to wear compression, without lymphedema, is very debatable. The latest studies say if there is a very small increase in size in the arm--3% and sometimes if there are symptoms: heaviness, achiness, subtle swelling--to use a compression sleeve and gauntlet early on.

    With your clotting disorder, you'd want to avoid poorly fitting compression, but it sure is inspiring how you avoided post-DVT syndrome.

    Kira

  • pamelahope
    pamelahope Member Posts: 534
    edited August 2012

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